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post Jan 19 2015, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jan 18 2015, 11:07 PM)
if you cannot build church in one area then after that you give money to authority so they approve the church being permitted. is that a bribe or not?
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Yes that's a bribe.
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post Jan 19 2015, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jan 18 2015, 10:24 PM)
Late 30s. Feel very depress, man.

I know I put some idols in my life, finding a wife. Opportunities to find a life partner is far and few in between. When my relationship with a christian just failed, I am just totally rudderless. What should I do?

Its just this, I seem not to have the ability to make people interested in me. Each time I meet up a potential suitor, she always complain, she doesn't feel anything for me.
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Can I be honest with you? This empty vacuum in your heart that you feel pain and causes you to feel aimless in life?

Only God can fit into that vacuum, your life partner cannot. I'm testifying to you not telling you from theory.

That is why you're suffering because you don't understand the reason why you're in the predicament that you're in.

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post Jan 19 2015, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Jan 19 2015, 08:41 AM)
biggrin.gif I concur.

At the wedding in Cana, the highest enjoyment of man can have is signified by the wedding. Yet, the "wine" ran out. tongue.gif

All marriages will come to this stage: the wine ran out ........
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And Christ miraculously fill the wine.

Ya, it's really an encouragement if only we understand how close a husband is to a wife as how Christ is to his bride, the Church.

Hosea 2:19 - I will betroth you to me forever; I will betroth you in righteousness and justice, in love and compassion.

Forever.

And I look from the point view of a husband, how much he loves his wife. When we understand this relationship rather than a just "God"
how can we despair and think that God who is far away, silent and care not? hmmm. nod.gif

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post Jan 19 2015, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 19 2015, 10:27 AM)
leonhart88, if you ask UW... the answer is no.

If you ask me, i throw your question back to HS.

My teaching is simple: Ask Holy Spirit.

bible say no bribe.
bible say also everything is permissible.

If 1 verse against another verse, how to resolve ? eating more fruit of good / evil ? or ask HS, the author of the bible ?

simple right ?
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 19 2015, 10:30 AM)
bible oso say everything is permissible. isn't it good that bible support both our arguments ? therefore don't be too smart lah UW... ask HS, the author of the bible . Which verse to use for a given scenarios.

you are not humble you know... arrogant, and don't care about what HS think... just simply don't want to accept HS is far smarter than you.
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Read it in context of the Bible. What does it mean by "everything is permissible".

I can give 2 examples in context of what the Bible is trying to say. After all the Bible is inspired by the HS, I'm not against the HS but you are.

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1 Corinthians 6:12 - "I have the right to do anything," you say--but not everything is beneficial. "I have the right to do anything"--but I will not be mastered by anything.
Look at verse 12-20, it's talking about sexual immorality. That is the context. Why is it talking about sexual issue more than anything else? Don't believe me?

Here it is.

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12 “I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but I will not be mastered by anything. 13 You say, “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food, and God will destroy them both.” The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”b 17 But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.c

18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. 19Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.


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2)

1 Corinthians 10:23 - "I have the right to do anything," you say--but not everything is beneficial. "I have the right to do anything"--but not everything is constructive.
Look at verse 23 to 33, it's talking about Food or Drink offered to Idols. Why is it talking about Food and Drink more than anything else? See the verses below.

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23“I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but not everything is constructive. 24 No one should seek their own good, but the good of others.

25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”f

27 If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. 28 But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience. 29I am referring to the other person’s conscience, not yours. For why is my freedom being judged by another’s conscience? 30 If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?

31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 32 Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God— 33 even as I try to please everyone in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved.


There is the context. What is yours? You going to tell me (again) Bible is not important but what the HS says is important?
While it's true this verse can apply to grey areas in a believers life where the Bible is silent but the prevailing principle still stands.

What is wrong is wrong, what is sin is sin. God will never go against his own word. If God says Bribe is wrong, it's wrong, there is no such thing as the HS will approve Bribery.
Of course I agree with you the HS knows better in every situation but one thing if for sure, the HS WILL NEVER contradict himself and ask you to do the wrong thing.

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post Jan 19 2015, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jan 19 2015, 12:42 PM)
I know. But my sinful self want to find life partner.

Actually it is possible to find God and life partner at same time?

Yesterday I read the bible, still had sleepless nights.

I go to church sit alone also, my mind wander off, thinking about her, the voice of the sermon get drown out by my mind.
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God never forbid anyone from finding a life partner.

He's just telling you the truth in principal. Either you Seek God's Kingdom and his righteousness first or you don't.
Seek Him first, God will provide your needs. In your case a life partner.

Seeking other things first will just giving the devil opportunities to wreak havoc in one's life. It's like you're giving the enemy permission to resist you on your ground.

P.S: Even while having a partner it's all the more urgent that you still seek Christ first above your partner because a believer's life is tantamount to spiritual warfare.


QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jan 19 2015, 12:55 PM)
unfortunately, many churches practice this even big one. why? their purpose to make all people know the good news and they want to set new church easily rather than doing the hassle. however, they will say it's smart political move everyone will be happy. the authority got money, we can set up church easily.
why am I asking this? because one pastor just did this
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I never say christians don't bribe. I'm just telling you the principal. Because to teach otherwise is heresy.

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post Jan 19 2015, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jan 19 2015, 01:24 PM)
Guys, I know christians are more focused on church work and debate. But I think I am suffering from depression or anxiety attacks from my break up. I am thinking of going to a psychiatrist, is it a good idea? I know drugs will temporary take away the chemical effects but in long term would it still be there?

I am also afraid of health impacts. I don't want to end up like Heath Ledger died in his sleep of overdose.

What is the church standing on taking anti depressants?

My suffering is due to the physical nature less...because of problems.
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Call this Christian Help Hotline.

03-7960 7370

They're 24/7.

You can request prayer for healing, you can set appointment to go there if you want, it's near AmCorp Mall PJ.

They'll keep your matter P&C.

Try it.

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post Jan 19 2015, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jan 19 2015, 01:37 PM)
who are they?
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They're like Christian version of befrienders.

They help depressed/suicidal/ troubled Christians.

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post Jan 19 2015, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jan 19 2015, 01:44 PM)
I have no bitterness against my ex gf. I just did not contact her anymore, because i know she wants to avoid me. But if she does send a message to me, I just be nice but no point continuing because I know she won't want to get any closer to me.

I think I have problem forgiving myself for screwing up the whole relationship not noticing that it was not getting well.

I tried to meditate on good things but going to office, my heart feels like sinking, I can't sleep, lost apetite to eat and even can't concentrate.

I know nick fujivic, I could not attend his talk back then, they were charging like RM100 per head? Can't recall. I know there r people more unfortunately than me. But i am in my late 30s, and the enemy is attacking me, because I am still awkward and single.
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It's her lost really.

Forgive yourself and be convinced that you're fearfully and wonderfully made in the image of God.


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post Jan 19 2015, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jan 19 2015, 01:48 PM)
thanks for your help.

I needed that. But I hope they are not like befrienders. Last time I had my 1st break up, the befrienders only listen and listen and did not say any solution. I ask them questions, they only listen.

I hope this one not like that.
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Depends on who is on the other end. If you get a senior person. he/she may advise you.

Though the counselling is done on the phone, I think it's always better to setup an appointment to meet them up face to face. More Effective imo.
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post Jan 19 2015, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jan 19 2015, 02:02 PM)
I think i try telephone first. I don't thinnk any senior person around at night?
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Not too sure, just give it a try, I phone them sometime for prayers.

QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jan 19 2015, 02:05 PM)
why is it her lost? She's much younger than me.

Yes I must forgive myself too. True, Amen.
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Just an encouragement. Don't view too lowly of yourself or too high for that matter.


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post Jan 19 2015, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 19 2015, 03:44 PM)
what does pehkay and UW knows about spiritual warfare ? this is not seminary / hermeneutics things that can be resolved by "context is king"... you two needs to undergo a lot of mindset change before can understand more fyi... biggrin.gif
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You think I never went through spiritual warfare?

More than you know.
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post Jan 19 2015, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jan 19 2015, 04:12 PM)
Is what I went through considered spiritual warfare.
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Pretty Much a Yes, enemy is taking full advantage of your situation.

Never underestimate satanic forces, they're more intelligent than we give them credit for.

They know exactly where to hit.

Different people have different weakness but all the same objective which is to Kill Steal and Destroy.


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post Jan 19 2015, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jan 19 2015, 04:37 PM)
Precisely, the enemy knows this is my biggest weakness, my yearning to start a relationship.

When I read about Abraham, yearning to start the seed of God's people, he trusted God all the way, even though Sarai was barren. Their faith was answered when Sarai was pregnant at 80 ! Could the miracle of Abraham and Sarai be applicable to me?

My ex gf question my capability to start a family due to my age. Really hit my self esteem, I wonder why a christian would do this to me? But anyway I have no ill feelings towards her.

Pray that I shall not be attack, pray that I shall stand up to the the enemy and prevail. Pray I will overcome and become stronger and God will answer my prayers for a life partner, as what Jeremiah 29:11 says.
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That's the spirit. flex.gif

Ok I will cover you in prayer.

It's good to call that number I gave you and ask one more to prayer for you.

Not only Abraham, God is still an Answer Praying God, He still works his miracle even today and I can see a glimpse of it here. thumbup.gif
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post Jan 19 2015, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(DT1 @ Jan 19 2015, 06:43 PM)
Guys, a question has been bugging me, and I think it would be best to ask you experts in here.. Given a scenario as below:

Let's say a marriage between a Buddhist/Agnostic guy and a Christian girl would take place.

The guy is willing to have a ceremony in the church as it is the desire of the girl (dream wedding for her consists of blessings by pastor, witnessed by family and friends, and if possible in a beautiful church). *Side note: In Malaysian society a guy has the tendency to feel the desire to have the future spouse adopt his religion, although this can be relaxed dependent on how liberal the guy is.

The guy is agreeable to this setting because, besides the fact that he is desirous to have the girl's wish come true, he also feels that all religions are sacred and come from one source, just expressed differently through various civilizations and cultures. This point of view would be similar to the Bahai faith if you have heard of it.

As the guy feels that blessings and prayers, regardless of any setting, is sacred, good, and precious, he is desirous of joining in and whole-hardheartedly praying together with the girl in the church jointly with all other Christians present, for that occasion, and for the blessings and happiness of their marriage. The guy respects, values, and treasures all blessings and prayers, especially more so when it involves this momentous occasion of marriage between them both.

That said, the guy, due to his culture and upbringing, is also desirous of having second ceremony in a temple together with his parents and extended family members, blessed by monks and a prayer ceremony. The girl agrees to be present. However, she opines that she shall just be a silent observer to whatever prayer proceedings that take place. Meaning, she won't join in recitals of prayers, or make incense offerings etc.

Now comes the problem. The guy wishes her to join in the prayers whole hardheartedly too, otherwise why be present at all? He also opines that if he was willing to wholeheartedly do the same in the church, why would the girl not be willing to reciprocate, for him? To him, a lack of reciprocity, would hint at a slight degree of selfishness and prioritizing him less than another entity.

To write it in a slightly different way for added clarity:

The guy feels that any prayer is important, and wants equal commitment from both parties to commit towards. Therefore if the girl should desire a church ceremony and blessing, he would love to pray together.

However, the girl however feels that, due to Christian belief, she shall not engage in any other from of prayers. The guy feels that this would be akin to pooh-poohing his beliefs, since to actively refrain would be synonymous of feeling that it is wrong. Thus he feels that he can also do the same if there is no reciprocity, aka feel that Christian prayers and blessings are wrong, and refrain from doing so. But of course, he would never dream of doing such a thing, as he treasures their relationship. Also, he feels that, if either him or the girl would feel that either prayer is wrong, it is akin to defiling the marriage ceremony.

Thus if the above two prayer settings would occur, both parties would just be syok sendiri praying by him/herself, at the same time carrying the somewhat negative thoughts of actively refraining from the other parties' wrong practices, and not as a loving couple that prays together for gratitude happiness.

Any ways of compromising for them both?
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How do I put this? IF you ask me, there's no compromising.

Just as how a husband will not share his wife with another Man,
Same thing with our God.
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post Jan 19 2015, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(DT1 @ Jan 19 2015, 07:00 PM)
The it would be the mindset of:

refraining because it is wrong = thus the ceremony is wrong = thus the husband is wrong = thus there is no point in having such a ceremony ?
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It's better both of you discuss clearly about this. I'm just giving the reason why She made her stand so that you'll understand.
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post Jan 19 2015, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(DT1 @ Jan 19 2015, 07:14 PM)
If it is that difficult, perhaps it might be easier to insist on adhering to the cultural practice of adhering to the husband's religion. Wonder if that would work?
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No comment.


QUOTE(DT1 @ Jan 19 2015, 07:17 PM)
And yes, I understand. It is human nature to do so, and I would try to think positively and admire her commitment. Yet at the same time feeling slighted.

Usually what's the best way to approach these topics, and how to get both parties to come to an agreement?
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Well if you ask me, this sort of marriage is not really encouraged in the first place for the sanctity of both of you. Don't get me wrong, this is to avoid future pain which inexperience couple have yet to go through.

If you want a biblical explanation why, I can oblige, if you're looking for a compromise solution, don't think it's right for me to give since I'm of the same faith, not right for me to go against what I believe in.

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post Jan 19 2015, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(DT1 @ Jan 19 2015, 07:37 PM)
Yes that is a valid point, perhaps the marriage will never come to be?

Do you think that there are very devoted Christians that have a slightly different interpretation of the bible than you? In the sense of not seeing Christianity as the only right religion in the world and others are wrong, but of equal grounds to others? But at the same time are fully devoted to Christianity?
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Devoted means one who consistently practising their faith and that come from proper understanding of Bible scripture. A bit contradictory if there is one.

Actually none of us Christian can claim our is the only right one while other is false, this claim came from God himself in his own words.

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post Jan 19 2015, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(DT1 @ Jan 19 2015, 08:24 PM)
Well you see, practitioners of Islam may claim so too. So might other religions. So it seems the whole world is at odds with each other.

But aren't there liberal Christians (whom are highly knowledgeable with the scripture), but at the same time holding the view of religious pluralism (other religions are right too in their own context), as opposed to exclusivism (all others are wrong)? I mean, if you have come across such people could you kindly point me to them? I could perhaps learn a thing or two from them too.
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This is just for knowledge purpose, don't want you to have an erroneous idea about Christianity

As you said, each religion is at odd with each other, That is why not all religion is the same.

Each and every one is different in methods and have different principals, different deities, different terminology.

But there is one Similarity.

Every head figure of every religion will state and require you as a practitioner to work out his own Salvation/Enlightenment/Nirvana/Whatever through self effort. This is true for all religion even Islam and Judaism.

And there is one difference that set us apart from other religion.

While in Christianity, our Head figure, Jesus Christ pointed Himself as the way to God. Can't attain it by work or effort.


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Liberal Christians would mean one who don't really subscribe to the Faith. Might as well don't call them Christian at all, Christian means one who follow Christ. And Christ made that startling claim about being the only way.

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post Jan 19 2015, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jan 19 2015, 09:50 PM)
Is it because the Devil is constantly trying to tell us we are not forgiven by God due to our past sins?

Is it because we are constantly relying upon our own strength instead of God's strength?

After I repented, I read this verse.

1 John 3:8–9

8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

From there, I have attended church and cg, removed my tattoos and meet new church friends.

But we always stumbled because of our sins. So then we need to rely upon God's grace.
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Having Faith in God is living rested life in God.

The devil only rustle Christians who are not at rest and vice versa is true, they can't handle Christians who are at peace.

And the devil attacked in the arena battlefield of the mind.

So guard your mind with great care.

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post Jan 19 2015, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(DT1 @ Jan 19 2015, 10:31 PM)
Before adopting a religion, a baby is firstly pure.

Why insert into its mind divisive beliefs that stands to promote a sense of superiority over others (I'm right and you're wrong)?  I mean, if I were to attempt to reconstruct the interpretations, I would write it as: you must have utmost devotion and faith in me. And stop at that. Wouldn't include the point on others are wrong.

I know, given the larger context, this point is lacking and may be fallible. Just stating a preference, or rant. Thanks for your explanations thus far, have given me a better insight into her mind.
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Ah, that's not the point. It's not about superiority, but about choices we make in life.

Besides, I think I stressed quite clear we're not the one who make such claims.

Nevermind then, point is not to get into religious debate. Just for FYI.

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