Bro Deck, Once doesn't count la wei. I hope you don't take this in a negative tone. I'm not insinuating anything, just friendly chat.

You have to jump into the water everyday. Practise what you've learned by Faith.

That is the only way you will receive. It's not about head knowledge or argument but Heart Knowledge.

If it didn't work the first time round, doesn't mean won't work the next.

I happened to know one guy in the Methodist Circle, quite senior and like me, He faced the same crowed who don't believe in speaking in tongues.

He only mention 1 thing and I understood it immediately. He said this. Mental Blockage.

Then I think She is right, that is not Prosperity Gospel.

Material Blessing is Material providence. Could be Food, Clothing, Home, whatever, that to me is still in the context of providence which God can provide through people.

You must understand She is very much a believer as you are. She has the HS, same as you.

It is possible that She was given a specific instruction from God to say what needed to be said, Same thing with you when you went to the other Church.

Of course it's not the same subject but both are valid, IMO.

Yes I am and I'm involved in a few ministry

No Don't feel anything.

Even if you don't speak in tongues, I never said you are less of a Christian or lesser in anointing.

I'm well aware of Pastors who like you, don't agree much in speaking in tongues but I'm also aware of Pastors who do believe and also encourages.
Honestly I've met more of the latter.

So you cannot say either one of us must be wrong. There is no compulsion in speaking in tongues but what I tried so hard to tell you, if you do, you will understand the Advantage of it. This is something very hard to convince you because you haven't really experience it.

If my hunch is correct, she's trying to communicate at very basic Caveman level.

I understand this because I've seen the way how Orang Asli understood and respond to the Gospel being preached to them, the content is
very different from what we hear on Sunday service in the city. Most of the time, we city folks, get to hear different dynamics of topic,
they on other hand are always repeated with basic gospel messages because those teacher fear anything beyond that is difficult for them to understand.

I think she meant well, maybe phrase it in the way too basic.

Obey God and God will provide, something along that line. If I'm not wrong, I think she just want them to trust in God for providence and not trust in the world for providence.


A Few, Youth, Worship, Church Administration, Teaching Bible, Prayer leader.

lol, what conversion class? you mean new Christians? no.

In Small Group and Youth.


Nice prophecy btw, didn't know dee is a prophet of relationship.

They have Bible Class for New Converts, and care shepherd, they will be very much encourage to join in small group or cell group but I'm not involved in that ministry of new converts.

No joke eh, Prophet can command bear to come out. haha

She may have started the sequence of the Gospel message wrong but God providing for them is not wrong either.

You did say She mentioned about obeying God and God gonna surprise them with material blessing right?

That is seek ye first the kingdom of God and God will add what they need. Perhaps she was paraphrasing it together with What ears have not heard and eyes have not seen.

Of course I wouldn't start the Gospel with that but that isn't wrong in itself. Only the sequence is. Even if you think she got it on the wrong as a start, it doesn't mean God cannot use that message to make them think: Hey I am the God who can provide faithfully. Put your trust in me.

It's better than they go out searching for treasures in this world on their own and get stuck with self all the time.

What is to stop the next mission team to fill in the gap of what was not taught? And teach the message of the cross.

I believe God is on control in this sense, that's why prayer for mission is very important because God will move his people to complete the Job, one way or another, God can work everything together for our good, don't you agree?

I don't believe it is really a loss for the villager, and I don't believe things happen by accident. God is sovereign with regards to this context.

I'm just saying nothing escape God's notice, you could also be right that She is preaching prosperity Gospel but God can come in and correct that as well, that's my point.

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Go to Church please when morning come, all of you Christians reading this.

Shoo shoo go and sleep.

Sorry but I don't believe in judging preachers or any other people of God. What they do, God will deal with them.
That is as much I will allow myself to say.

If you want to judge and condemn anyone even about their teaching, you will be judge back by God, a very simple rule of what it means to forgive others.
I was very convicted of this when like you I thought so and so was wrong in his teaching and I realize God is right.

Who are we to judge anyone? We who are once sinners saved by grace. Now that we are given that grace, we start to throw stones again? Talk about vanity.
Something is seriously wrong in the Christian community. We are blind to see that we can become Pharisaical sometimes.

I find Christian going around hunting who is who and start throwing stones becomes very legalistic at the end of the day.
What you don't realize is that you will harbour a spirit of criticism and hatred towards people. It's a form of negativity spirit that can become very hard to remove.

Sure, they may do for the right reason but I find most of the time, it'd done in the spirit of legalism, spitefulness and hatred and the words used sometimes are very painful to read. Christians using hateful words. Really?

Also I find that most of the time the accusation is baseless because they don't really know the whole story from beginning to end.
Nobody does, only God knows. The best thing we can do as Christian is to pray for the person in the spirit. How to pray in the spirit? Ah...even that one we have disagreement. Spirit intercede according to the perfect will of God. We may not pray correctly because sometimes we have underlying motive. We may pray not in line with the will of God. We may start binding this person's ministry or ask God to bring calamity, things like that.

Nah I've seen enough until I don't want to see anymore, I rather love them and pray for them.

Besides Just for "fun" fact, I was brought back to God by one of Joel Osteen's preaching by "accident" in one of my down moments. What do you have to say about that? Threat him as heretical?

Now before you misunderstand, I'm not saying just accept every wrong teaching. If it's right, receive it, if you find that it doesn't edify you, leave it. That's all.
Don't go around back stabbing this preacher or that preacher. (not saying that you do) Ministers of God most of the time, they mean well, just that sometime they may say things in the flesh, people make mistake but that doesn't give us any right to condemn them.

* I'm talking generally as a form of advise , that's how I speak with everyone anyway. It's just me. I'm not accusing you of doing all those above. No No don't get me wrong.

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Matthew 7:15 warning about false prophet is of inner contemplation. God never ask you to go and judge them talking about their life. You won't find it in the scripture. So is Paul's exhortation in the book of Galatians.

I don't see him backstabbing or writing any book or going on youtube criticizing, talking about any of those "false" Prophet, personal Life, personality or career or what they have, what house they stay in or what car they drive or how much billion of $$ they have. But these stone throwing christians does a very detail account of it.

I don't remember there's any. Save for the blacksmith who caused problem for him and few others who believed the resurrection has already taken place. But point is, I STILL don't see Paul going into very detail picking on that person, writing a huge novel why he's heretic, giving 100 reasons and all that.

You won't find that sort of act in the Bible. Like or not, THAT is throwing stones.

You were the very first one who brought out the word about swallowing pride and ego, hinting about me, I never said anything like that about you in the first place. Don't get jumpy over something you started first. Right?

Yes It's vanity and legalistic. Throwing stones is throwing stone, no need to justify it. Today nobody throw stones, they just throw poison email or letters or whatever they write, it's the same thing, trying to hurt the victim's ministry.

Yeah I was brought back to God but through Joel Osteen of all the preachers. No one else. It is God who lead me through Him. What did you think went inside God's mind for doing that? That Joel Osteen is completely heretic? Common, that's so judgemental. I've then move on to other preachers. It's been a long time since I've listen to any of his material. He may be wrong on certain subjects but that does not mean everything about him is completely wrong

Like I said before you misunderstand, I'm not saying just accept every wrong teaching. If it's right, receive it, if you find that it doesn't edify you, leave it. That's all. That is MY STAND. Leave it but

Don't go on a witch hunting trip, dragging others into the pit. (metaphor), don't go around back stabbing this preacher or that preacher. (not saying that you do) Ministers of God most of the time, they mean well, just that sometime they may say things in the flesh, people make mistake but that doesn't give us any right to condemn them. I can understand them because I'm in ministry as well.

Have you forgotten we all have the Holy Spirit? Isn't that his role?, the counsellor who guides us into all truth? Since when we taken over his role trying to guide others by condemning those ministers with so much condemnation. Let me share a testimony with you. I don't need anyone to tell me If I'm doing something wrong. The HS spirit convicts me and it has happen continuously as the evidence that He is the one who leads us me to maturity. I can hear Him.

I prefer that Christians are lead by God through the HS to know which teaching is wrong or right rather than they going through all these stone throwers. Why? Because they can be wrong as well but the HS is never.


Ha! Salvation by works. You probably don't know me that well, people in our Christian fellowship thread knows where I stand on this doctrine.

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I didn't say you interfere in their lives, was just showing examples of how these other criticizer did.

It may be a different topic but I've seen it happened and I think it's uncalled for. Don't talk about people writing book on other people, Even in youtube videos.
I think Christian authors should write more about Jesus Christ and stick to him only.

I can give you example: The usual targets: Joyce Meyer, Joseph Prince, TD Jakes even Kenneth Hagin is not spared. That made me want to see what the fuss is all about. I have a look at their videos and some of them are very good. For example Joyce meyer's sermon on Trusting God when God is silence. Or TD Jakes sermon on How to be resilient Christians. I think they're good insight because it encourages and brings people back to God or causes Christians to press in into deeper relationship with God even when the going gets tough. I don't see what is wrong with that. Is it heretic to teach that? Common Man, enough of this witch hunting.

I believe Osteen was misunderstood by large.

Every Man of God has different calling and gifting. Osteen ministry is to reach out to the unsaved and demotivated / back slided Christians. That is his calling.
If any Christian want deeper spiritual nourishment, Osteen is not the teacher to look for.

As for the prosperity gospel, bring it out here, in exact detail what Osteen said about it. Did you hear the entire sermon or just snippets of it?

And about your mission leader, what is wrong if you give her some of your grace? Give her a break and a chance. Why condemn her? Have you asked her what she really meant in person? I don't really care who is wrong or right but I don't like internal conflicts in the body Christ. The world is already giving so much problem and we still have the time to throw stones at our own brethren? This is really beyond me.

Twisting? I didn't twist you or anyone. Stop that paranoia.

Merits? I'm very familiar with what you're trying to say. You mean to tell me, this is new to me? Common man.

When the HS convict, He speaks with the inner spirit man. He normally operate in still small voice and usually of peace. And it's a conviction by the HS, not by you or me. You and I can say anything, we can shout at each other even though it's pointless but at the end of the day, it's that inner conviction from the HS that speaks to us. Not our voices.

Scandals? There you go again. Are you all knowing like God? I think we can all agree, nobody is, I think we should drop all these finger pointing. why Because we are not qualified. Only God is qualified to point finger.


What do you mean liberalism and Atheism? lol don't get you.

No, That's why I say.....you don't see their entire sermon. Like Joseph prince for example, I've seen the entire gist of it and I can understand what he meant, you don't. You just see snippets of here and there and conclude wrongly.

I can confirm it's not prosperity gospel.

I don't believe there's such a thing as justifiable Judgement of other teachers.

You want to love Jesus? Love people, no matter how bad they are. Because those who don't is a liar, that is in the scripture. Loving Jesus is not about scripture competition.

Even Jesus talked about that, you think it's all about scripture?

I'll first ask that guy why? what made him came to that conclusion? Give him an opportunity to talk. Hear him out.

Then I'll ask him to check the Bible, see if that is how the Bible describe it. I'll then explain my part. If he doesn't agree, fine, we can agree to disagree but I'm not going to choke his neck or something.

Jesus only reserve his harshest word for the Pharisee of that day, no one else.

When Paul said Let him be cursed, (which is a double curse) it means: Leaving the person (to be) outside of the grace of God. Vurnerable to Satan's attack.
He's not cursing as in swearing at them, that's the difference.

Besides what's the point that Jesus asks us not to curse but to bless? Do not repay evil with evil but with good? hmmm?

You seem to forget what God's word say about our warfare is not with people...but with the...(complete the sentence)??? I'm sure you know this.

Huh? If you're the one who suggested that, you should be providing which part of him saying that, not the other way round. if you can't then just admit you don't know what he meant. And there are hundred of thousands who actually agree with him too. See their testimony of how Jesus has change their lives. Go and see it.

Already answered you.

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Wah lau eh....

Didn't I said this to you already?



Receive what is right and to ignore those that doesn't edify? You missed that out on purpose or what?

Yes I know what Jesus said about the rich but it's not what you think it is.

I want the entire content of that sermon. Which part is not right. Snippet is not justifiable because it's not complete.

I've seen that entire sermon. I know you didn't.

I also rest my case you don't know.

BTW, what's wrong if God desires our marriage or health to prosper? Is that heretic?

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Already answered you in post #192. This is like the 2nd time you're asking.

Hi there.

You mean you lost interest in studying?

Did you know that God has the best interest for your life?