you guys are really devout christians. unlike me. hahah. i have much to learn.

recently met some problems when it comes to studies, i find myself very easily demotivated

and when it comes to other personal stuffs, i find myself way to insecure (a coward in some matters) for a guy.

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FYI, it's not what I am saying, but it's what the dictionary is saying. We are talking basic semantics here.
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Aiyoooo. You just.... I give up la. You wanna tolerate the cross of Christ being spat on and trampled on and see people led away from Christ, you do what you want, I have tried gently trying to correct you but you just decided to harden your heart. Gg

... read the bible as a whole again and tell me where God promises all his people (including us) that we will prosper? Note the quantifier ALL....

wow debate on 'prosperity' still on going for almost 20 pages i think.

I think we just need to focus to do our part, invite people to church, cell-group activities or share the bible to those who are open to know more about God. And leave the rest (result) to God coz we can't control that.

Bro Dee,

About binding, make sure it doesn't turn into psychic type prayer.
Unless you know it's God's will for sure.
Binding and releasing is spiritual warfare, shouldn't bind as we wished. I think if lead by HS is better.

Better to pray in the spirit and let the HS intercede.
It's better than if we may pray wrongly or say and confess a mistake that the devil may use to their evil advantage.

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About binding, make sure it doesn't turn into psychic type prayer.
Unless you know it's God's will for sure.
Binding and releasing is spiritual warfare, shouldn't bind as we wished. I think if lead by HS is better.

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James 3? 

I just wish that one day the Malaysian malay muslim can have the free will to choose his/her own religion in this country.

We can control RONA ...

Bible say bind bind, release release..

James 3? 

James 3 talking about tongue... especially 5 n 6

in practical don't say like this to malaysia: aiyoo my country die lahh... difficult lah... racism lahh... now gasoline oso increase... now property buble ...

instead you say: my country malaysia is blessed... it's work in progress... GOD bless malaysia ... similar tone n attitude lahh...

malaysia is formerly a bunch of states ruled by the sultans which is Muslim religion..........
then come the colonial starting with melaka sultanate fall to Portuguese invasion on Melaka, this is the beginning of colonial occupation on other states of Malaya, which begin many years later as the internal conflicts begin to brew in which lead to the British East India intervention, which lead to the installment of British Residents on allied states and British advisors on non allied states

Can get pretty sensitive topic 

but wiki can find some like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumiputera_(Malaysia)

Well.
It seems on surface, we are in agreement.

Unfortunately the truth is narrow.

"why still act and live like a sinner?"

The thing is, if you look at the Gospels.
Jesus said that only the sick(sinners) need a doctor.
The pharaisees think they are not sick and thus they do not need one.

Also, it's stated explicitly that Jesus ate with sinners.

Only sinners recognize their inadequacies. They recognize that they are really nothing. Only sinners recognize that whatever they did before are not profitable. Sinners are able to forgive others because they recognize that they themselves are a sinner.

In other words, they recognize that God is justified in condemning them. But then because of God's grace, they are not condemned anymore.

Even Paul says that he is a sinner. He never used the word was
But I received mercy because I had acted ignorantly in unbelief, 14 and the grace of our Lord overflowed for me with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus. 15 The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost.

The problem is that if you think you are not a sinner, then why would you need to repent.

Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
10 Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts,
As we forgive our debtors.
13 And do not lead us into temptation,
But deliver us from the evil one.
For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

If we are not a sinner, why do we need to ask our Father to forgive our debts?

The thing is, even though we recognize that our sins have been forgiven because Jesus has died for us, but then we acknowledge that we are currently still sinners. We still commit sin. And we still need forgiveness.

In fact, because we are believers, we should recognize even more that we are sinners. We do things that displeases God. We make mistakes. We entertain evil thoughts. etc.
Since we are now even more sensitive to sin, we recognize even more that many of what we do daily are not acceptable and that is why we ask for God's forgiveness even more. We understand the inability of overcoming our sins by our own strength. So we ask God to help us in this.
We recognize that before we were believers, we do many things that shamed God's name. We really deserve death, etc.
It's only when we recognize that we are sinners, that we can only come to God with a humble heart. That we are able to recognize God's grace even more.

If you think you are no longer a sinner, why would you need God's grace?

Okay let me try to be extremely simple with this...

I understand your point, you're saying that we shouldn't call people out if we're not sure what they're actually preaching. But before this you went on and on about how we shouldn't even spend our time rebuking other preachers(when I posted a video addressing some of Osteens writings), but then you shifted from that stance and now you're saying that if they're really preaching heresy, they should be publicly rebuked,THAT is how you shifted. Now you're asking me to prove that Joseph Prince preaches the propserity gospel, and I posted a link to a shop where he DESCRIBES one of the products (sermons) that he's selling and yet you insist that it isn't sufficient evidence although he clearly says himself on his own website that "Do you know that God has provided a guaranteed path to prosperity and good success?". The sermon is 30 ringgit btw.

Now here's where you're being iffy:

1) First you say that Prince wasn't teaching the prosperity gospel here, although it's already implied in his own statement. For goodness sake, the title of the sermon is called "God's guarantee for your prosperity"

2)Then you shift your stance and you say there's nothing wrong with prosperity and that my understanding of what prosperity is wrong ALTHOUGH it's the MEANING of the word prosperity in English. If you THINK Prince defines prosperity OTHER than how the english language defines it, then the burden of proof is on YOU to prove it.

What do you have to prove? That Joseph Prince, in his statement that God guarantees your prosperity, he doesn't mean "materially rich as in having millions of $$$". The original definition of the word from the dictionary has already been shown to be against your argument, so it's on you to provide the defense.
Now let's deal with your own theology of prosperity: If you yourself don't believe that prosperity doesn't mean getting rich financially, what then do you think the word means?

Without using the word prosperity, let me lay out my argument: Being a Christian DOES NOT GUARANTEE you being financially rich, or healthy or to have a succesful career or the like. If you agree with my argument, then we have nothing to argue about over what we believe about prosperity.

You already said you have problem understanding the English language, and I don't blame you for that. Please don't interrupt our discussions if you don't understand what we're talking about, thanks

Bro Dee, He's not disturbing me lah, give me some time, I will explain to him.

If your primary goal in this "Christian" fellowship thread is to show the world how "good" you are and how much you "know" about Christianity, then I'll have no part in that.