I'm trying to reach you not bill wilson.

No Christian is perfect.

dee is just hyper sensitive.

I just wished he's humble enough to admit.

ah humility is not an easy virtue.

Nah, he is of age. perhaps older than you, I think. (base on ur avatar)

Just that he's not good in communicating in English.

He has the right intention, wants the best for people but don't understand he makes people feel uncomfortable with unwarranted doctrine.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 15 2015, 10:06 PM

a bit childish I guess.


I think he's married, he's in the o&g industry for some time earning quite good income. Higher than the normal average.

Yup, without Faith in Jesus, no one come to the Father. Faith is the essence not works (Effort of Man).

You want to share God's love, go ahead and share God's love, that means being kind and loving in your action.

But we're asking don't teach the wrong thing.

All of us tried to warn you but end up you call all of us here "losers"

Don't know if you know what is the meaning "muka tebal" or not.

It's not that you're not welcome in this thread.

You created a proud persona that made everyone uncomfortable especially from Friends who once supported and rooted for you and you still have the cheek to say things like this?

Bro, Ministry must be based from the Bible, you have made a few remarks saying the words in the Bible is not important...........and a few other things.
Do you know that it can stumble others when you say things like this?

Romans 14:20 (NIV) - Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.

I don't want to add more, because you'll just jump at me.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 16 2015, 09:27 AM

Sigh, this is the problem when you talk to someone who don't understand what you're saying or pretend not to and try to swing it.

How can you teach when you can say things like words in the Bible is not important?
How can you teach when you contradict?

Can I teach you one thing?

The role and responsibility of Teachers is to point people to Christ, not to you.

Nothing wrong.

You must remember Paul was an Apostle chosen by Christ himself.

Paul says to imitate him just as He imitate Christ sure but we must understand imitate in what sense?

If you see from all his letters, He is always pointing people to Christ, the things about God.

People are recognized based on the fruits that is in their life.

If you think you have that standard, then sure, by all means.

Paul has proven himself faithful to the Faith to his dying day.

Have you live up to such standard as Paul has?

I dare not even ask anyone to imitate me because I know I'm flawed in many way. That I am willing to acknowledge. What about you?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 16 2015, 03:44 PM

I know your intention is good but since almost all of your friends in here feel uncomfortable, just take break la, relax don't keep enforcing what you think is good when people is not ready to accept.
Because the more you force, the more people might resist.

Suit yourself, was trying to help you and protect you from further embarrassment.

Since you don't really care what this friend is trying to do, you are on your own.


You're still welcome to seek my advise in PM if you wish. Take care.

Bible Devotions with UW

Adam's Sin



I remember when I mentioned we're sinners not because we sin but because of adam's sin, I rustled some jimmies with raised eyebrow responses. I wrote that on purpose because I wanted to share this devotion today.

Whenever the word is shared preached, it's always important to share it from the context of the Bible.
Man's way of reasoning will say: we are sinners because we sin. That is the natural understanding from our mind, But what does the Bible says?

Please take out your traditional Bible or Digital Bible and turn with me to Romans 5.
Everything is taken in context of Romans 5, the whole entire chapter. Notice that in chapter 5, it starts off by saying in verse 1;

We have been justified by Faith. The Bible is very clear. It is not works, it is not obedience, not the Law but Faith. Learn to trust and have Faith in the Bible because it is the word of God.

We will come to that later why it starts the passage with this. Why Faith.
Then in verse 9 it says we are justified by Christ's Blood. Again. Consistency, justified by our Faith in Christ because of his shed Blood, it's by the Grace of God, NEVER of works and NEVER of the Law.

Why is this important? Because there are some Churches trying to bring back the law, trying to bind believers back to the law. It's either that or they try to mix Law and Grace together. God would not have it. In Fact God forbids it. (Romans 11:6).

Then LOOK CAREFULLY! See from verse 12 all the way to the end, The Holy Spirit is very careful in explaining how we become Sinners. Do you notice the word BY ONE MAN, THROUGH ONE MAN is often repeated?

You will come to realize what I said is correct that we are sinner because of Adam's Sin when you read verse 19:
(NIV) For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

What this verse is saying, because of the disobedience of ONE MAN, Adam, MANY (meaning all of us) were made sinners. We were MADE SINNERS because of ADAM's SIN.
Now that you see what I said is actually how the Bible says it, you may ask me.

Why UW? Why is this important? I'll tell you why and it has to do with the very first verse in verse 1 about justification by Faith.
Many Christian have no problem accepting this, that it's by faith and by grace, etc etc all that, no problem. It has been embedded naturally, maybe indoctrinated for so long we don't really care to ask God why.

But they will have problem when I say this:

There are many places that teaches that we can only gain Salvation when we obey God, failure to obey causes us to sin and therefore what we do may forfeit Salvation. Friend if you understand properly what was just said, THAT IS BASICALLY going back to the old covenant of the LAW! What is the difference really when you hear that being preached so forcefully today? IT IS THE LAW.

You cannot deny it. If you put yourself under the Law, you forfeit grace and also Christ!
Galatians 5:4 (NIV) - You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

or they will try to mix that together with Faith, Law & Grace. But God will not have it.
Romans 11:6 9 (NIV) - And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

I don't really get you UW, how is this important of how do I know what you're saying is correct?

I'll tell you why this is important.

Romans 5:19 says that we are made sinners because of Adam's sin. In the same breath, We are also made righteous because we obey God? No! Read that verse correctly.

.... so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

There goes what Some Churches teaches that we need to obey God to be righteous and to qualify for Heaven OUT OF THE WINDOW! Who is that ONE MAN who obey that makes ALL OF US Righteous? He is Jesus Christ! Who obedience once again? Yours or Jesus Christ?

I rest my case. Christ did this for your freedom. Why? Because God knows if Salvation depends on your obedience, Nobody in this world will qualify.

I conclude by stating this truth in the Bible.

We are made Sinners because of Adam's Sin and We are made Righteous because of Christ Obedience. (Romans 5:19)

God Bless.

That is how the HS defines it. You can read all the translations. It's the same.

Did you read the entire sharing? Or you just scan and pick the last line without checking the detailed explanation?

Bcos what you've just asked me, was already explained in there. It has nothing to do with ignoring or taking responsibility.

It has very much to do with the mechanism of God's Salvation plan. Until you understand this part, you will never understand what God means when He says, There is no condemnation and something to do with the Flood of Noah. That will be explained in my later devotion.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 17 2015, 03:42 PM

Actually it's we who inherited from Adam's sin. Adam pass it on to the future generation. Inherit means to receive from.

And when you say "and when we sin, there will be consequences" that is under the context of unbelievers who have yet to receive Christ.

John 5:13-14 - …13 But the man who was healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had slipped away while there was a crowd in that place. 14 Afterwards Jesus found him in the temple and said to him, "Behold, you have become well; do not sin anymore, so that nothing worse happens to you."


I'm talking about God's Salvation plan, How He sees it. The definition is important because it helps us to understand why.

I don't dispute what Pehkay mentioned and I understand what you're trying to say but, that is not my contention. Those are the characteristic of what is sin.
That it is alive and lives in people who have yet to accept Christ. Those who have accepted Christ, sin is removed away, washed clean. This is one part many Christian are still confuse, can be seen when they say, as a Christian you're still a sinner.

It must be understood from Bible perspective why God see us as sinners because of One Man (Adam).

We are made sinners because of Adam's Sin is the correct theology.

Consider this part in Romans which coincided with the devotion earlier. It gives the answer why.

18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. 19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.


Have you thought why in the Christian community, they say that no matter how much Good or Righteous thing you do, you can't remove your sin away?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 17 2015, 08:20 PM

Well of course, every sinners who reject Christ will need to account for every sin they commit.

They put themselves under the judgement of the Law.

I did say "well of course" meaning in agreement with what you said and further explained why.

If you reject Christ, you'll need to be responsible for every act of sin and needs to be accounted for. Why?

Because there is no more no sacrifice for sins left. Meaning, there is no more way of Salvation.

The Old Covenant of being righteous by own conduct has been abolished and nullified by the coming of Christ.

It's a double jeopardy.

p.s: We are made sinners because of Adam disobedience (Romans 5:19) at the same time we need to take responsibility for our actions. (Ezekiel 18:20)
It is incorrect to say we are made sinners because we sin, because that is not how it happens and not how the Bible define sinners. Romans 5 attested to that quite clearly.

Being "made" Sinner is a definition. Adam did not impart sinful nature, He imparted the very essence and the corruption of the living Sin itself into us. That causes our Flesh to exhibit Anti God characteristics.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 18 2015, 10:00 PM

I don't agree, this is contradiction. One thing that is universal and all Christian denomination will agree, God will never go against his own word in the Bible.
If you say that the HS approve, it's most likely NOT the HS but own conscious.

God already mention clearly specify that He doesn't approve Bribery.

Last 2 decades? What's your age range bro?

I've' edited and add in additional explanation.

I stand on how the Bible explains it, I know what frequency you're using.