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Come and experience with us lah.It will be a time of worship with so many Christians, hopefully all the seats are filled up.
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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Dec 5 2014, 05:03 PM) Of course free. bring your friends. Got girls and guys, the more the merrier.Those who haven't been, this is how we look like: ![]() ![]() This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Dec 5 2014, 05:11 PM |
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Dec 5 2014, 11:42 PM
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Dec 5 2014, 11:33 PM) SJW stands for 'Social Justice Warriors', a nickname given to blind zealots people on the internet How you doing spiritually, everything ok?Lowyat ada banyak people bash without knowing the full story. Sometimes get the facts completely wrong. Usual example on the internet is about feminist issue. Bukan feminitist blame feminist. Bukan sexist blame sexist. |
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Dec 6 2014, 12:17 AM
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Dec 5 2014, 11:45 PM) Have you seen the movie, Heaven's for real?I think they have the book in book store. Quite interesting story based on true event. The Pastor of a Church struggling in his faith, until one day his 4 year old son, met Jesus in Heaven and came back telling him many things he shouldn't know about. |
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Dec 6 2014, 12:21 AM) Anyway, try and ponder thisJohn 14:21 - Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them." This is what most Christians want right? Too See God, to experience Him? So what is this commands that Jesus talks about? Check these few verses. 1 John 3:23 (NLT) - And this is his commandment: We must believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as he commanded us. John 15:12 (NLT) - This is my commandment: Love each other in the same way I have loved you. One of the way to experience God is to find someone you can either help or love and to keep on believing in Christ at the same time. |
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Dec 6 2014, 09:52 AM
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Dec 6 2014, 09:15 AM) huh ... bible is clear about this, about that... for 1 month old sure clear. wait until you go deeper about it. Huh Bro, why u like that Man? What happened to you?sorry i don't trust 1 month christian with tattoo, who cannot handle CG elders, and dun have open-minded-church to bring her fren, and try to tell me bible is clear about this, about that... for 1 month old sure clear. you say your faith not easily shaken ? good... i wanna see that. Thanks for praying May GOD have mercy upon me. Only that 1 i accept from you. And also apology would be nice |
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Dec 6 2014, 12:47 PM
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Dec 6 2014, 12:23 PM) UW got tortured lah by your fella... Tortured by my fella? More like trying to advise n wake you. You're all my friends, what talking you man?sorry lah UW, tell us (not me) if you comfortable: calvary building in bukit jalil is bribe free or not. start from buying the land, building permit, until everything completed and including operation today. the process, is bribe free or not... is bribe free or not I never say Christians in this world have never resorted to bribe, my point is, just because somebody did it, must you follow also? If the guy jump from tall building, you also jump? Where do you base your morality standard? On People or Bible? I think you miss the whole point altogether. This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Dec 6 2014, 01:02 PM |
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Dec 7 2014, 11:20 PM
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 6 2014, 05:12 PM) There are a lot of scripture verses or God's word that speaks to me personally in the past years and also today, and because of that I can remember the description more than anything. That is what we Christians call Rhema Words. The Chapter and number can be easily found on the internet. Anyway I always refer to this link: Bible.cc It has most of the translations, even has Greek and Hebrew which is where we translated from. This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Dec 7 2014, 11:28 PM |
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Dec 7 2014, 11:25 PM
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Dec 7 2014, 12:30 AM) i think you know where my morality standard is. My standard is ask HS. I think your statement is very easily understood but you don't seem to agree or understand what we're trying to tell you even though we repeated so many time.A church that need to expand will get my support 100% provided that HS agreed i support the church. Bribe or not bribe i don't care. 100% support. Oh i believe calvary church will like me hahaha... sure your leaders will be happy i support them without questioning morality values. But again... Must get HS approval or else i will not support. let me know if this statement still not clear. |
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Dec 7 2014, 11:33 PM
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Dec 7 2014, 11:29 PM) next week saturday on 7pm to 10pm 13th December there would be a Christmas event in Klang Okay, take a break, anyway Xmas is coming.at Dataran Seni Klang behind Shaw Centerpoint Klang, In front of Bata Shoe shop, there would be singing, free gifts and foods also performances from various churches in Klang. PS: i find it very tiring debating with someone who keep accusing our own church resorting to bribe just to get their own church building construction approval from local authority, so i am opting out from this thread from today onward. i will be around but not here How's everyone else preparation? Those who are near Puchong, Sri Petaling, OUG, Sri kembangan, Puncak Jalil, Lestari Perdana, Mines, Kajang, Sunway are all invited to come to Calvary Convention Centre near Bukit Jalil. We have Xmas Morning Musical at Dec 25 9AM. Free Admittance. |
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Anyway Lets stop this debate about bribery..Everyone chill.
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 8 2014, 08:33 AM) u know i take 2 day can finish the small bible book... i can understand what it mean problem is i cannot remember the number n meaning after few week Most important is to [know + understand + remember] the meaning. Chapters and verse No will come in naturally later after being used to it for so long.For example, the world most famous verse John 3:16. Almost everyone knows this, Christians and Non Christians. QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Dec 8 2014, 09:38 AM) No lah, bro. Wah don't look so highly on me man, I'm not ready for platform ministry. |
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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Dec 8 2014, 10:39 AM) QUOTE(de1929 @ Dec 8 2014, 10:51 AM) I happened to casually chat with a sister yesterday, she told me, very hard to escape God's calling. If God calls, don't be a Jonah, I got her meaning. So far my only ministry on platform is with the worship choir. lol. Preaching? Dunno...leave it to God. |
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Dec 8 2014, 02:28 PM) c'mon lah Bro Actually more like whether I want to deal with difficult people.Perhaps you mean you don't want to disappoint GOD ? that's genuine. But half hearted obedience it's also... sucks imho hahaha... |
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Christmas makes everything new QUOTE Revelation 21:5 (NIV) - He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true." I am reminded. On top of a hill, thousands of years ago. At the mercy tree, lies a blameless man who was hung and tried for doing no wrong. All he ever did was heal the sick, touched the rejected, the outcast, the lonely, gave hope where people have given up hope, delivered those who were oppressed, He did many good things and was convicted and sentenced by lies of Man. He did nothing deserving death. Even a Roman man, name Pilate a prefect of Rome who did not know God was bewildered and echoed the same words: Matthew 27:23 “Why? What crime has he committed?” asked Pilate. But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify him!” 24 When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “It is your responsibility!” Here was a man demonstrating powers that should have proven He is God, for never in the history of Man, were such miracles demonstrated. Not witnessed by Man nor other religion. This is not a fairy tale nor a myth. Pontius Pilate was a real person in history and was recorded by a Roman historian, Tacitus in writings of his account with Christ! Though the world mocked and ridiculed, how can a God die by the hands of Man, how can the blood of one Man gives salvation to the world. I am reminded there is where Salvation lies. For this Salvation is offered by God himself and not Man, that is why the value of his blood is able to save the entire planet if people are willing to believe. This coming season of Christmas is a reminder of this hope. Here is a chance to start all over again. Whatever life has taken you through, doesn't matter the troubles that beset you. Doesn't matter how bad it is or how hopeless, Christ says this: I am making everything new! The Bible says in 2 Corinthians 5:17 (NIV) - Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here! The essence of the meaning "new creation" means restoration to God, all the resources, all the powers of Heaven is now at your side! And it can be accessed through Faith by Prayer! Read Isaiah 43 and Isaiah 65 for contemplation. This is my message from the Lord for you, those who are near and those who are far. God bless you all. |
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QUOTE(amosai @ Dec 11 2014, 03:51 PM) I guess I simply can't defeat that part of my brain that wants a solid objective reason to believe rather than having believing without seeing. I'll stop it at there. A heavy chair was thrown at my head, if I got hit by it, I would have end up in a hospital with bleeding serious head injury. I was constantly ridiculed and mocked in front of family members and in public, every time the subject of Christianity was brought up. I was already in my late 20s almost 30 if I'm not mistaken. The tone of the voice was so loud on purpose so that many could hear, happened in dinner at restaurants. Do you know how embarrassing it is for guy of that age? That was many years ago. I know It's not as brutal as those tortured in Islamic countries but to say that is not persecution? Ah, thanks. I kept deleting and retyping, forgot what title/term to use for Paul. By the way, I've heard of this term "persecution". We have discussed it once in church that we're throwing that word too lightly around. The term "persecution" in the Bible often refers to harsh persecution where murdering and torture is involved. I do not know what you've been through but I don't think those could be called "persecution" frankly speaking. Although, the word's definition covers whatever ill-treatment. Regarding the case of HS and gray areas, I've recently just remembered about the death of Uzzah. Despite his good intentions, he still died due to disobedience. You certainly don't know what hell I went through for believing in my Faith. Anyway.....that was the past, things have changed now because I believed nothing is impossible with God. Only God could have changed my family. Nobody else could, not the smartest nor the most intellectual Man could convince them. How maybe next time, I'll share my testimony. Back to your doubt. Nothing is insignificant in the Bible, even name have meaning. The root word for Uzzah is the hebrew word Uzi (where you get the Uzi Gun) which means strength referring to strength of Man. God has specifically instructed how the Ark is to be carried in the book of Numbers. They must be on the shoulders of the Levitical priests not on oxen carts. Ox here represent strength, Priest represents Grace as how defined in the book of Hebrews. That was 1 mistake, another mistake was that nobody is to touch or even look into the ark as God has warned in the book of Numbers, chapter 4. Man cannot come to God just like that under the Old Covenant of Law as God is Holy, Man was stained with sin and the problem of self righteousness (strength of Man). The base of the covenant of the Law is that If Man want to come to God via his own way (own strength/performance), then He must be responsible for disobedience as well. What happened to Uzzah was symbolic in nature. A lot of people think that it is sin that hinders people from coming to God. Though that is true but the lesson we can learn from here is that the strength of Man also hinders God. (thus the meaning of the name Uzzah). God never wanted the Covenant of the Law, his initial plan with man was Grace all the way. The Law is about Man, Grace is about God. From the time of Adam all the way till Israel was delivered up to Mount Sinai, was a period of God's grace. Under Grace, God is close to his people. It was only when Israel boasted before God that they can well obey all that God commanded, God changed his toned. There is distance between God and man under law. And some Churches tried to establish the old Covenant, the 10 commandments. IN 1 Corinthians 15:56 it says; and the strength of sin is the law. Think about it. That is the lesson about Uzzah. |
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Dec 11 2014, 04:17 PM) I'm having issues to what I say doesn't match with what's going on itn my head. This is natural. Our Flesh is Anti God.Like I say, I believe. But somewhere inside, it's "in the end I won't believe it." kind of thing. Put my salvation on a pretty spotty place. I try to dispel them and not dwell on it, but I don't know if they come from me or something else. That is why God say we are to live by faith. And many don't understand it is not to be practise only during Sunday sermon but from Monday till Sunday, everyday. We live by Faith everyday, praying and reading God's word. We cannot change our mind but the Holy Spirit can. And the Holy Spirit will take hold of whatever words from the Bible you digest. If we don't read his word daily and don't practise our faith daily, there's nothing much for the HS to use to change us. |
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QUOTE(amosai @ Dec 12 2014, 12:08 AM) Apparently I did not include the sentence, correct me if i am wrong. I do apologize if I sound judgmental but most people do throw the word easily. Ended up being beaten at the end of the day is not persecution. This does not apply in your case I presume looking at the tone of your first paragraph and second paragraph. There are instances where christians going around temples shouting your god is not real and getting beat up. I wouldn't consider that persecution, I consider that stupidity and inconsiderate. It's hard to accept the reality of persecution especially from people who are suppose to love you, not persecute or hate you for the God you believe in. I don't see the relevancy of the meaning of Uzzah at this point of life though as I am more focused on what can we learn from the story regarding the topic discussed previously. I now understand why God allowed me to go through that. So that I can comfort the next believer who goes through similar ordeal, so that his faith remain intact. The people of the world will naturally hate God because 3 things. Because of inherited sin, the works of the flesh (everything about self interest) and the works of the devil (Spiritual blindness and curse of life) in their life. Anyone separated from God, will experience all these 3 enemies that builds up over time. That is the meaning in the story of Uzzah. Anyone who comes to God via their own strenght, own thoughts (intellect), own way will experience death. Yours in particular is spiritual death which affect your physical realm of why you don't experience God back then. To experience God and his Kingdom must be done God's way. (1 Corinthians 2:5 & 2 Corinthians 12:9) This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Dec 12 2014, 11:34 AM |
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QUOTE(amosai @ Dec 12 2014, 03:10 PM) Unkown Warrior, my response on the lower part of the first post was more geared towards de1929's discussion. Not regarding my spiritual life because you seem to be linking all of post altogether. It would be kinda hard for you to ask me to doubt my Faith in God at this present moment. I've moved on by God's grace, beyond the stage of experimental.I do understand what you're trying to say from Uzzah's story. That's one way to look at it which I agree but there is another way of looking at it which you can refer to the response above to de1929. It is really hard to discuss this when both parties are not willing to consider the probability that their own opinion/conviction/facts/etc is wrong. I am open to the fact that I might be wrong that God does not exist. I think you need to be open that your belief might be flawed too. (Just in case if I wasn't clear, I am asking you to doubt your own faith) In fact, I crave that I am wrong about God's non-existence. But no evidence or words has so convinced me otherwise thus I am still searching for it. Although I could only conclude no human can convince me other than God Himself. Before all the "hoo ha" or opposition about doubt, I believe strongly that doubt is essential and needed to strengthen one's faith. The reason for this is because it'll make you re-examine your own faith in a new light. Strengthening as you find that each doubt can be overcome. To completely avoid doubt is just the way easy out, satisfying one's own need for certainty that what he/she believes is right. Though you say you understand the story of Uzzah but based on what you've said here, I don't think you actually do, because you seem to repeat what I've tried to tell you in the bold. You're still trying to search God on your own strenght. That's not going to work. I mean obviously doubt is anti of believe (duh), don't see how that is going to work for you. |
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