I don't see how that it must be "resorting to lies" as the only way to close a deal.

I think telling the truth is just as compelling because generally I feel people wants to know about the truth as much before buying a product.

Sometime it's alright to say No, this product can't do this or that or it doesn't have such functions.

My rebuttal with you from day 1 until now about this is not to make you feel bad or to put you down.
We know you have difficulty in expressing in English and we know not everyone understands Bible context.

Just hope you'll be opened to learn and be humble, that's all.

Bro I also hear God's voice, I'm sure so does Pehkay even Sophiera, Luffy, Steve n rest of friends. We are all friends here.
I believe all of us here trying to help you. But you are stubborn.

We are trying to tell you God will never lead or approve anyone to act in sin to accomplish whatever means. God is Holy.
The entire Christian world is united in this. We believe it's highly possible you're just hearing your own Conscience and not God.

Being graceful towards elders is wisdom even though you may know something they don't. God takes pleasure in such humility.

Oh that verse? It's a matter of choice. What I mean is this.

The day you decided in your heart and mind that the lust of the flesh is wrong and you want no part of it anymore and you made that request in prayer to God, this verse will come true.
I believe it's activated upon such determination. The way of escape and enduring will be there in your spirit. I can testify from my experience. The desire to continue or wanting to succumb to it, is simply not there.

But if you still have doubts or reservation whether you want to give up on lust, this way of escape is kinda elusive.

All the best in your family business. Bro u still doing other business as per your siggy?

Yeah many times it's unintentional, sometimes provoke by others.

God's grace is sufficient in our weakness. We need to acknowledge we are weak.

That's when slowly but sure we can overcome such flaws because God's strength operates when we acknowledge we cannot but he can.

Bro Read carefully how it says it;


1 Corinthians 6:12 (NLT) - You say, "I am allowed to do anything"--but not everything is good for you. And even though "I am allowed to do anything," I must not become a slave to anything.

Here's in your mother tongue version

(12) Segala sesuatu halal bagiku, tetapi bukan semuanya berguna. Segala sesuatu halal bagiku, tetapi aku tidak membiarkan diriku diperhamba oleh suatu apapun.


1 Corinthians 10:23-24 (NLT) - You say, "I am allowed to do anything"--but not everything is good for you. You say, "I am allowed to do anything"--but not everything is beneficial. Don't be concerned for your own good but for the good of others.

Here's in your mother tongue version

(23) Kata orang, "Kita boleh berbuat apa saja yang kita mau." Benar! Tetapi tidak semua yang kita mau itu berguna. "Kita boleh berbuat apa saja yang kita mau" --tetapi tidak semua yang kita mau itu membangun kehidupan kita. (24) Janganlah seorang pun berjuang untuk kepentingan dirinya sendiri saja. Setiap orang harus berjuang untuk kepentingan orang lain.


Do you now see the truth of it's context. Di Bahagian dimana di perkatakan "Tetapi" merujuk kepada apa yang patut kamu elak-kan.

Same meaning in principal here.

1 Corinthians 15:27 - For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

Here's in your mother tongue version

(27) Dalam Alkitab tertulis begini, "Allah sudah membuat segala sesuatu takluk kepada-Nya." Jelaslah bahwa yang dimaksud dengan "segala sesuatu" itu tidak termasuk Allah sendiri, yang membuat segala sesuatu itu takluk kepada Kristus.


You cannot say "everything" means including even what is sinful, as explained in 1 Corinthians 6:12 & 10:23-24 as how the principal in 1 Corinthians 15:27.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Dec 3 2014, 03:24 PM

To expand God's kingdom is to live out the truth, in the strength of God's might not by strength of Man (Zechariah 4:6). Bribery definitely falls under the strenght of Man because it is deception. Deception to get things done, man's way. I believe God would have moved then and there by prayer. Prayer is God's strength. Bribery is not.

No, actually the verse means that we've been freed from the bondage of sin so don't get trap again. Read it carefully, it never say, just because you can do anything, you can do so. You took in only the permissible part but you ignore the latter part. That's is reading out of context.

The problem is, you don't understand the gravity of the problem of sin. You think some sin is harmless like bribery.

You forgot; the reason why the world has fallen is because of sin. Just 1 sin to open the door to countless destruction and countless sins.

If you condone bribing is okay, you've just open the door for the devil to lie to you, that the next "harmless" sin is also okay.
Soon you don't even know what is right or wrong. That's how deception works. This the problem with your belief.

Moral Law came from the same HS. He is the one empower us to live moral life. So when you say the HS will use whatever necessary means to fight the devil, including going against his own moral law that means you're also saying God is okay with sin and that makes him not consistent.

Sure the devil can use whatever necessary but so what? Is it that hard for God to use supernatural means rather than a natural one? This is my contention with most christians. Where's the faith?
In God or in the things of man to get things done.

You gotta remember, it's not the child life that you need to consider but the officer who receive the bribe as well. We are being watched by a cloud of witnesses, I believe how we display our lives in public is important.

God being righteous is not a matter of decision or whatever saying but his very being and by what he does.

Do you know why God can forgives our sins today? It's not simply because he can do so if he wish but He son bled at the cross. It was a terrible suffering which was suppose to be yours.
You're advocating a flimsy God who is okay with anything, that is not what the Bible teaches.

And where can the final authority of all the HS instructions can be found?
Answer: Bible. ( 2 Timothy 3:16 - All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,)

What does the Bible say about Bribery?
Ecclesiastes 7:7 (NIV) - Extortion turns a wise person into a fool, and a bribe corrupts the heart.

Here's one more that speaks of what I've argued about.
Proverbs 17:8 (NIV) - A bribe is seen as a charm by the one who gives it; they think success will come at every turn.

So Here you can see quite clearly what God says about Bribery.
The guy who gave bribe, is he not disobedience to this instruction from the HS?
You must remember it's the HS who inspired the writings in the Bible.

Not my version or my verses, they all come from the Bible.
Even the highest law, Love God, that statement is in the Bible.

Anyone asking the HS for whatever reasons, can always tell whether that voice that you hear is really from God or from the devil or just own conscience by checking with the Bible.
Because the HS will never lead a believer to sin such as lying or bribing. The evidence can be found in the Bible.

If you say the HS gives permission to lie or bribe, I say it's not from HS. Most likely one of the 2 options, devil or your own voice.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Dec 4 2014, 03:37 PM

You say it but the Bible didn't say like that.

1 Corinthians 6:12 - "I have the right to do anything," you say--but not everything is beneficial. "I have the right to do anything"--but I will not be mastered by anything.

Already show you the complete verse, as the proof but somehow you deny it.
Even gave you the Bahasa ver, you still stubborn.

Here's another one.

1 Peter 2:16 (NIV) - Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God's slaves.
See the word Freedom? That's the same for permissible.

Not judging you, just telling where you believed wrong.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Dec 4 2014, 04:08 PM

Why must it be by bribe? Do you think that's the only way?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Dec 4 2014, 05:10 PM

I don't think HS will ask a believer to do that, bro.

That's why It's important to know how to hear God properly otherwise you will hear all kind of "voices".

Hi there,

Really depends on your relationship with God. if you spend enough time on daily basis or very frequently (Church activities like Prayer Meet, Cell group and all that does not count. ), you will get to know the Father. You can hear Him. I would go as a far to say it's quite impossible not to hear Him at all. God is not impossible to be reach, only our laziness is the problem.

I hear gentle voices in my thoughts confirming the Father's will and his word.
There are times I hear instructions. But most of the time conviction in the heart to do something.

It's not the matter of whether He did bribe or didn't bribe.

I'm just telling you the HS will never instruct a believer to act in Sin, doesn't matter what the circumstances. This is one divine Fact that will never change no matter what.
Anyone can claim to hear from God, even Pastors, doesn't matter to me but the Bible also teach us how to recognize God's voice against others so that we don't get deceived.
How do we know this, IT MUST BE established from the Bible. You cannot say that is not important.

This is the character of God. That is how we know Him.

Like?

What type of progress you were expecting?

Faith is the doorway to God and the actualization of his word, not feelings.
If I can put it this way, tenacious faith. Constant believing.


I think in the initial stage, it's important to get to know God first, understand Who He is.
Then later progress to other areas.

You take the first step, via Faith, there's simply no other way.

In the natural realm you have sets of rules, law of physics, law of gravity, etc to follow for something to work, same thing with God's Kingdom, his way is through Faith. It's not just let's "try" to believe but a determination to simply believe all the way till the day you die.

I didn't care much what people think about my endeavour for believing. In fact come to think of it, neither do I care much what I think of it. I just believe.
And it has come true, for so many years that God responded because of faith and his grace.....so many times I lost count.

Saul believed in God as described in the Old Testament. Jesus intervened in his life to help us understand even the most vile, the most difficult or even the most stubborn heart can be changed. Nothing in this universe and there isn't anyone too difficult for God to touch or change. Just need faith..believe.
BTW Paul was more of an apostle than a prophet.

I was persecuted by my family for my faith. Never in my dream, did I think God could have change them and how wrong..was I.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Dec 5 2014, 09:51 PM

Oh that's about the end time.

Wats SJW?

Come to Calvary Church near Bukit Jalil, 25 Dec 9AM, we have Christmas musical.