sorry for Late reply cuz many reasons.

aha... i understand better... shrewdness...

But still... somebody needs to be in the politics. politics and corporate management sounds similar. The way i see politics and company management are almost "similar".

We manage (e.g. big corporation as manager / senior manager and above) resources
Politician also manage resource (aka instead of company, country / a nation interest).

sometimes we have talk nicely,
sometimes we talk deceitfully,
sometimes we have to talk only what people need to hear,
sometimes we need to talk that bring confidence instead plain truth
sometimes we white lies.
sometimes we need to terminate people.
sometimes we need to give in cuz other manager / politican needs our resources
sometimes we need to ask / push other manager / politican cuz our people needs resources

we live by GOD's grace right ? so we do what we need to do .. don't be afraid about condemnation...

perhaps luffy never been in senior position / managerial position ?

for me Christian that runs away scared of politics / corporate politics are coward... yeah, sorry to be rude. You getting old, like it or not politics come toward you especially if you become manager / senior manager.

when i young i do IT programming, now old aredi people ask me leave technical jobs and start managing people. oso managing resources... of course somebody ask me to dirty jobs for them... well... quit the job ? afraid to commit sin ? I have GOD's grace.

Don't worry.... GOD's in control 

The key word: managing your expectation ... prepare yourself if their response is counter productive... (aka make you pissed )

Don't be surprised if somebody, pastor, CG leader, CG elder, even CG member look down on you.

some people are just simply narrow minded... can't help ...

to be honest, regardless charismatics or not, many christian are... narrow minded hahhaa... so just prepared lah

are you expecting christian like UW in general ? he is a rare jewel lah to be honest...

But we are supposed to be like Jesus. If people like UW is a rare gem something is wrong leh.

Paul say imitate me... logicly, how to imitate a person already dead ? at least UW still can reply our message

He means that you should imitate his walk of life. And who did he imitate first? Jesus. He's encouraging everyone to go the same road as him.
It's incorrect to say Paul is dead. Technically he's alive in Heaven right now . As for his writings, they are directly inspired by God. Anything God inspires is 'alive' and not mere literature.

Ah don't start this lah sophiera... is that the guy that say i speak in tongue more than all of you  ... just kidding okok... i get ur points

not easy at all hahaha... till today oso like that...

everything is permissible, but not all beneficial, 1 Cor 10:23. I do bribes, giving bribes, not receiving bribes ok . Cuz it just save my time, yet it does not build my patience. I have other place that i just have to endure patience, cuz cannot bribe. e.g. during traffic jam.

I hate to say that why preacher cannot preach this issue in pulpit, but now i understand that in pulpit, there are hundreds ears therefore has to play safe.

But during one-on-one conversation with many church leaders, there are a lot of faith secrets that i learned, those secrets that supposed not to be pulpit consumption.

so when i bribes, usually after 6mth to 1 year i have relationships with the PIC (person in charge)... when frensip developed, it's easy to say to him / her... uncle ... next time i take you lunch oso... do you like sushi or western food or beer ? wanna watch MU versus arsenal at placeA ? ... what i mean, i showed to the person that i want to give him more, because i have a bountyful heart, but i afraid he maybe offended... then this uncle appreciate and can talk..and talk.. and talk... and he started talking about family ... and many things...

i can have many networks , cuz they like the  "power" bestowed upon me... i learned from Luke 16,1-15; i am not the shrewd manager, but i use the money just for anything necessary, as long as not too extreme lahh...

bribes ? i consider giving a gift to earn somebody favor...

that's why issue up to this level i bring to HS at at the end it become my personal revelation. I can see from 2 version of truth:
1. like what you wrote above.
2. everything is permissible reason, GOD's still in control, regardless bribe or not bribe to "the guy" above.

I don't like to bribe, but i am flexible.

Whatever i do, i just need GOD to be with me regardless bribing or not bribing. That's why i ask HS before doing anything (or some ppl perhaps can replace HS with GOD / YHWH oso fine).

bribing in my context is: continually giving things such as money / anything else to gain favor. so indeed... bribing that is ... bribing

i agree politics is from our very own home.

why don't report me .. go ahead... see if GOD is with me, or this things is from my own flesh. I mean it 

I humbly force you to report me, so everybody can see whether my words is my own, or really GOD use me as a vessel to wake up Christianity here. Your choice bro

Talking about working in the secular world, any advice on how to actually live a Christian life in the workplace?

I had the most awkward conversation between my boss and me regarding working in the workplace. 

Well, he was being honest telling me that I needed to know how to not tell everything to my bosses, either act smart or basically telling me to 'lie'.

What does that make a difference becoming a salt and light to the world and on the other hand knowing how to cover my own butt if anything goes wrong?

It's so challenging.

then christian cannot be a CIA, FBI or spy right ? or only CIA , FBI or spy that has privileges to as a liar on continually basis ?

david butchered philistines, shedding bloods, and yet still get credit man after GOD's own heart.
Somebody say that's OT so different after all
Somebody say it's a military things so ok..

I mean i find ppl or bible scholar always has excuse or reasons. Now i know it's good to have reasons ... I have too... check with HS... clasiccal me

It's my version of truth lah... letih lah late night... GBU all

So touching. 
So in everything we do we must totally rely on God's grace and mercy right? Because if we rely on our own strength we can't do it. Its really hard being a Christian in any workplace. Juggling between doing the right things.

I used to think that sometimes evil people always get away with everything! Then I came across this verse, 

1 Peter 3:8-18[I]

Finally, all of you, have unity of mind, sympathy, brotherly love, a tender heart, and a humble mind. Do not repay evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary, bless, for to this you were called, that you may obtain a blessing. For “Whoever desires to love life and see good days, let him keep his tongue from evil and his lips from speaking deceit; let him turn away from evil and do good; let him seek peace and pursue it. For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous, and his ears are open to their prayer. But the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.”

Now when I work, I just work for God's glory. Its easy for me because I'm a free lancer. hehehe..
I think all the jobs in this world is not suitable for all Christians except for pastors. hehehe...

We just need to continuously pray and seek for God's strength and wisdom to get through this challenging life.

Speaking of jobs, what do you think of Christianity in China? I read and heard that China is quite strict when it comes to religious freedom.

There's a civil engineering position in China that I'm interested in but if the Chinese government are "not flexible", then I do not want to pursue it.

Is it because that God would not bless others more because he knows that in our heart, IF we have a lot of wealth, we would turn our attention away from Him?

Today at CG, I decided to bring along my best buddy. But alas they criticized her too not because of her tattoos, but because she's too "secular". Haiyo...So, we left early. I think I had it with them. I really don't understand them. Still act like a bunch of Pharisees!

Why can't they see the sincerity of our heart? But instead they focused on our outward appearance.  

Bro, Jesus is lord of lords and king of kings.

HE is lord of everything and nothing is above him. What is everything, it is not limited to:
1. fallen world. Yes Jesus is still above fallen world
2. every good value (e.g. family value, career, education, business)
3. every corporate governance (e.g. byLaws, timesheet, attendance, PO, invoices, business strategies)
4. every law created on this earth (traffic law, school law, etc)
5. everything.

So in short, just ask Jesus before do anything like what david did. my reason below, few points lah ...

-- David --
bro, david kills not only goliath. goliath sure need to die one lah in short.
1 Samuel 27:10 - 12... david practice killing everybody in order to contain the secret... crazy right ??? 

-- a man after GOD's own heart --
2 Sam 5:17-25
Just counsel GOD how to, can or cannot and done deal, you earn status after GOD's own heart.

david uses urim and thummim... to counsel GOD, I ask HS .... classical me ask HS remember ?

i wanna be like david too, a man after GOD's own heart

-- Jesus and sabbath --
Jesus breaks sabath, Jesus observes sabath. HE just know when to do the right thing (heal somebody) simply at the wrong time (wrong time according to pharisee mindset). Jesus is THE LORD of sabath...

It's not about sabath... but about status. I am the LORD... so in essence LORD can do anything, everything is permissible for THE LORD.

-- Jesus and the law --
Jesus is above the law. HE is the LORD of the law.

-- fallen world --
world is falling but it just irrelevant. the enemy scatters says the LORD.

bribing is sin, if after counsel with urim and thumming (now i called is ask HS) GOD say no, cannot bribe.
bribing is not sin, if after counsel with urim and thumming (now i called is ask HS) GOD say yes, go bribe.

it's not 2 standards. It depends on daily basis revelation (e.g. in corporate culture, sometimes boss shouts email or HR issues new governance). So basicly when Jesus shouts email telling what cannot be done. But to some person HE can gives exceptions.

-- Law it's not what, but who --
Christ say I come not to nullify the law, but to complete it. Mat 5:17

Law it's not a textbook of written words, but what GOD says on daily basis. my classical write is... Ask HS... that's the law.

-- if i can bribe, it does not mean everybody can bribe --
ask HS first lah... HE is the law

Pehkayyyyyy ... ...

let me share / reply one by one... ur word i use Q, mine i use A

Q: [By your understanding] Then God could have forgive all our sins without shedding the blood of His Son!
A: King of kings does not mean Jesus is higher than father or lower than HS. Trinity is essentially one lahh... basicly i want to say nothing higher than GOD.

I am sure GOD's could forgive our sin without shedding the blood of his Son, but how to fit this fact that Jesus has to fullfil the prophecy of OT ?

The fact that GOD choose to fulfill the OT it does not mean GOD is limited. I am sure HE has "escape clause" hahaha... Who can fight with GOD ? creation ? bible say I am is I am... wanna sue GOD if he decided something not according to bible ?

Bible is inspired by HS right ? what if suddenly HS say: "actually dear child... what i mean to inspire you is this..this... that..that ... and don't forget that I am is I am... meaning this..this.. that..that ... hahaha... who wanna argue with GOD ?"

Q: Even the Almighty God does things according to righteousness because the foundation of His throne is righteousness. Or I can even put it stronger ... He is righteousness. The universe will collapse if He violated His own righteousness, His very Being.
A:
I am that I am. that's the best english word that can carry the divinity of ... GOD... yeah that's the best english word i can think of
He is righteousness is only 1 way to explain of GOD, or simply say 1 side of GOD... and how many side GOD has ? infinite.

The word righteousness may limit the divinity of Christ and this yield to limitled GOD which i "prefer" not to endorse.
I don't like (yeah this is personal) to limit GOD with word righteous, then human like us can define that GOD cannot do this.. cannot do that ... in the name of righteousness... nonononoo.... something wrong here.... personal opinion lahhhhh....

Q: Like you said, HE IS THE LAW!#$@#$
A: noooooooooooooooo... i say HE is above the LAW ....    ... look at post 952, it still not edit nor i ask moderator to edit on my behalf

-- so based on your assumption that you think i wrote he is the law --
may i say that all your writings are irrelevant cuz you simply quote me wrong ?

i see righteousness only as a culture label. Again it's me lahh...

CIA n FBI. How can they be righteous under your definition  ? i assume cannot lah... UW already say some jobs are simply not christian, tinahartian say simply only pastor job is clean job.
What i mean, CIA, FBI, malaysian special branch. Those are "naturally" has to perform covert operation sure lies on daily basis. James bond has license to kill...

James bond maybe fictious, but i believe another name exist with license to kill. you say HS does not lead us to be lawless ? are u sure ?

My question pehkay: Can James bond is called a righteousness or not ? with assumption, yesterday kill 10 people, tomorrow another mission to kill as necessary ?

let me know if u need more questions or clarity. Of course, i have my own answer.

UW the essence of your reply in 964 is boiled to another case in post 965. I just don't edit my post so to leave it as genuine as possible. no edit. same essence lah.. Can james bond be a righteous one ? i assume u already say not all job for christian. it's fine... u can have ur opinion. i just can have mine

I do have another case that "less" extreme... which is bribing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Wilson_(pastor)

Bill willson bribe the immigration officers in african country (maybe uganda) to bring a little boy to have surgical operation in USA, and adopted by US citizen. He literally told us in indonesia (translated of course) so not only i hear, but at least 1000 people attend the service.

Wanna judge bill willson: fear of dependence on GOD ?
Wanna judge bill willson: bribing is a sin ?

UW & Pehkay... i talk not only assumptions lah brader... i saw... i hear... then i ask HS back, how HS allowed such bill willson to bribe ? I think u already know lahh what was HS replying

Is ignorance then something we should practice? Since sometimes it is hard to hear people telling tales about us in the office which was not true but it keeps spreading from one area to another. And there's no stop to it.

I know that time will tell the truth. But how does one deal with this kind of situation when one meant it for good but others take it to the other extreme and make it as though it was intended for bad.

Are we with GOD ? I am on UW thinking on concept of grace. Meaning, GOD is always with me.

bribe corrupts the heart, so be carefull when we exercise our freedon with excuse of: everything is permissible.
same with James bond with license to kill, you reap what you sow. occupational hazard. with this kind of job, don't expect somebody will not shoot you with sniper riffle. but, it does not means GOD does not want to have good relationship with James Bond.

When i wrote giving bribe is okay, but receiving is sin... it's my personal preference to be honest... it's not right, but still if i want to receive / give bribing, i should check with HS.

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Is it right to save one's life while corrupting another?
Does 2 wrongs makes a right justified?

depends... what is my role and what HS told me.

If i am a policeman, and Mr A does speeding. What will i do ? after I, the policeman, stop Mr A, the policeman realize that Mr A wife is about to deliver the baby. Therefore Mr A does speeding to go to hospital ASAP.

by under police authorithy, i can focus on the law disregard the fact that Mr A's wife is about to deliver the baby.

If HS told me to fine him, i will fine him. Regardles Mr A pregnancy condition. I believe HS can preserve Mr A's wife pregnancy condition.
If HS told me to release him, i will release him, which display a humanity acts of kindness. Police supervisor may or maynot agree with me or i may have problem / question by supervisor.

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back to pastor / officer heart, how much corruption act can corrupt pastor / officer ?

i don't know, but what i know, GOD's in control. Don't worry about things that is not in my "job scope"... GOD's in control it does not mean those heart are becoming more corrupted / less corrupted... It is simply say that GOD's in control. I do what i have to do.

If i am the pastor, and i have to care about officer heart... HS will not ask me obviously right ?
If i am the pastor, and i am focusing on saving that kids' live.... obviously HS will ask me to bribe the officer right ?

at the end, HS just simply find whose pastor wanna bribe the officers to save the kid. HE found one. Bill wilson.

I just want to add in a bit about bribery. The Bible is clear about bribery. Its is forbidden, just like tattoos.

But, what does God think about it? If its for a greater good, then its between that person and God.

If its for evil, then its not good. hehehe..

What ever it is, its between that person and God. Its not something we can judge, because of the morality issues.

When I asked my CG elder, (as usual), everything is WRONG. I asked but what IF you want to save a person's life, but due to bureaucracy and stuff, you had to resort to "bribery", I even gave scenarios for them to better understand my point of view.

They can even say why do I have such a vivid and wild imagination? WTF?!! Sorry guys.

They still thought its wrong because the person should just pray to HS for guidance. What? Seriously?

So I don't want to argue because I already got a bad reputation in their eye. 

Anyone has a listing of upcoming Christmas' concerts for the various churches in Klang Valley?

Well, just from my own personal experience and from reading online.

I was reading a verse in Proverbs 17:23, The wicked accepts a bribe in secret to pervert the ways of justice.

You see that's the thing, how on earth are we suppose to do things which falls in the "gray areas"?

If we follow the Bible strictly, its says bribery is wrong. But then? What if we want to save a life or something else? Ask the HS. Sure, we ask the HS. But what IF time is of the essence?

Two wrongs does not make a right. Right?

Yeah, a pastor is also a human but I'm getting the impression that some of the local Christians that I have encountered here are quite legalistic. I'm not saying ALL the Christians here. Don't get me wrong.

I'm used to being condemned..so its not a big deal. Jesus gave me, and others a second chance, so lets make it right.

Hi all, it's been sometimes I never comment anything here. Today I come to ask about below abit.

Stress & self control.
Its all about myself, I will try to shorten the questionissue.

Everytime when I had some stress on my working issue, I feel so stress because I feel unsatisfied with someone at work and I can't do anything to make it better but only option is endure else quit the job once and for all.

Lucky me, I still have third option which is pray, ask and have faith. Every time I pray after stressed or before, holy spirit always remind me not to worry, endure and I'm not alone.

Worst part happened, I not able to control myself calmly when the stressed hit on me. Sometimes I might slap my dog, little chicks when they don't behave, ok on this part truly not their problems because they are animals and problems belongs to me. I might raise my voice with other and the way I talked was harsh.

Today happened again, I started to feel some fear feelings inside me. Just because I had some new instructions from company and some worker did not attend the work, here come my stress again.

Reason sharing this, wants to let anyone that having same problems like me. Please do not hesitate to ask for help from God, friends or family before u done anything bad and hard to come back when decision made at the wrong timing. I CAN CONFIRM, doing the same things like me are wrong and making decisions at stress time are NOT the good time and always wil fall into something u do not wants it.

Any advice so I can handle it better?

Hi UW, long time no see.

I'm the Great General Manager aka "one leg kick" of this company. For ur info, this is some china man company (related to family members), so everything trying so hard to follow system but in this end no one will follow because they think the company don't have them will not survive which is "partially"  true.

I can't mention the nature of business but surely it's not illegal work. Those work man are Islander aka solomon islander, company had use their work force because they are local and they have tribe power to control area so company can run businesses within it.

I do believe someday might have other to replace them and it's my only hope now. It's quite challenging at this time and I can't give them harsh word else they will do something I do not wants.

That's why endure is my only choice at the moment. Unless u guys got something better, at least a little better and I do appreciate it.  haha..

The idea when i say GOD's in control, it's not about telling GOD sorry i cannot bribe because it's sin, but to acknowledge that HS can give you permission in case we have to bribe to make sure our project completed.
finally... somebody gets the whole context ... your logic above and my logic above are 100% identical.

you bribe, government catch you, go to jail. government is ordained by GOD.
you lying, you lost your reputation. i personally don't want to befriended somebody who cheated me.
you murder, you go to jail, people will try to murder you back.

bible said everything will be shaken and only GOD cannot be shaken right ?
its obvious that our christian fundamental also will be shaken, cuz only GOD is not shaken.

People are driven to have relationship to GOD, instead of feel save on the Christian fundamentals. Many Churches cannot solve world problem right ? because their mindset is still bound about "christian fundamental", instead of coming into GOD's presence and do HIS father will.

i don't know how to write properly, but in short

When only GOD cannot be shaken, HIS word, power of dunamis, will protect HIS people to do anything necessary to acomplish not Christian fundamental, but to accomplish what HE wants. Not christian fundamental.