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post Nov 3 2014, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(Decky @ Nov 3 2014, 07:02 PM)
Yes, Church first (because ecclesiology is so important, the idea of us as a people of God). But my church is pretty much reformed, so I haven't met anyone as close to some of the people here.

Well here's where we might differ. Yes, we shouldn't be too "repent or go to hell!" to our friends, but an essential part of the gospel is that we were saved from God's wrath, so we ought to tell them that if they refuse the grace of christ, then they will not be saved by God's wrath. It's not something that random people will be willing to hear though, but with regards to best friends...

I used to believe in passive-evangelism (wait for people to come to you), but it didn't look very scriptural to me: Don't think Paul could've done what he did by being passive in his evangelism: it looked like he actively approached people to preach the gospel.

And if the gospel is the most important message that our dear friends need to hear, shouldn't we be actively trying to preach? Also, Jesus loves sinners and wants to see them repent, shouldn't we as his disciples want that too?
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Well to be honest.
I really give up. I think you should to.

Yes I agree this is not RWI. At least people in RWI will read what you have written, read what you have said in context.
Over here, things you have written get twisted. Bible verses get twisted just to suit the agenda.

If you read UW last reply to me, you will know what I mean. It's a waste of time, effort, energy to point out the mistake. When UW cannot defend a point, he just conveniently skip it. It's a waste of my research and effort to be honest. He just do not have the decency to answer the critical points, twist verses and misrepresent other people and after a while, he and his gang will then start name calling you and say that you are hostile, etc. He keeps on assuming things. He keeps on assuming that I am preaching a kind of works based "after-salvation" when if you read what I posted, it's not at all.

I think you are starting to realize that he twist what people write, misquote scriptures, misinterpret scriptures(very obvious in his last reply), etc. The only reason why I even replied here is probably because of you. After all I understand your frustration and so I decided to provide support for you. It's amazing that at his age, he still frequently does all those things.

Well, the thing is, sometimes, if you read the bible without the influence of the surrounding theology influencing you, you may find that the theology that you subscribe to may not coincide with what the bible says.
For example, take John Macarthur for example. I do not agree with some of the thing he says for example lordship salvation and age of accountability(Children below certain age) will definitely be saved. I also feel that he is not critical enough of people such as John Piper who has obviously gone the wrong track and is also one I suspected a long time ago before his association with Rick Warren.

Look. In the bible, it's mentioned that we have to be as wise as serpents and as innocent as dove. When you make a mistake, the devil can punish you very severely. You probably know that integrity in today's world means less as compared to yesterday's world. You see, saying " refuse the grace of christ, then they will not be saved by God's wrath" can mean serious problems for you. The thing is yes, we should spread the Gospel whenever we have the opportunity and at the right timing as well. There are ways of going about it too. Sometimes, instead of directly telling your friends the truth, you could probably bring them to a church and get your fellow brothers or sisters to talk to them.

The thing is. Yes, you could probably tell your friends the Gospel, but then would you be able to do so in a convicted way. What if your friends ask you, what right do you have to say that only your God is the real true God. How are you going to answer back to them. The thing is, you can't really tell them that the bible says so or that history says so or that Science says so. The thing is, timing is also very crucial. Also how much trust that person has in you is crucial.

Yes, I do my best to show everyone that Christianity is the truth. When I go to funnerals, I do not bow or chant. And I explain to people why I do not do that. I question some of the customs that are being practised as well and show that those customs are pretty much illogical and in fact rude. My entire family pretty much knows that I am a Christian who do not compromise.

I question islam openly espacially on Shariah Law. So most of the people I associate with kinda get the idea that I do not really approve of their religion.I question also the illogicality of Hinduism.

You see, almost everyone knows that we Christians do not approve of their religion. But then when we say those things directly, the situation gets worse. We are seen as unreasonable. There is always a time for everything. Jesus did not begin his ministry until he was 30 years old. He waited for the right moment to do so. The thing is, he could have started his ministry when he was a kid.

Actually Jesus love sinners, but not all sinners
I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me,[cool.gif that they may be one as We are. 12 While I was with them in the world,[c] I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept;[d] and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13 But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15 I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. 18 As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.

Jesus Prays for All Believers
20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will[e] believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

24 “Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. 26 And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”

A way of being a testimony towards God is to show love and concern to your friends and family. Also show your integrity. When people see that, then they will also see the truth in us.
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post Nov 3 2014, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(Decky @ Nov 3 2014, 10:28 PM)
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Anyway,
This reply is just to tell you that, whenever I write, it will always attrack controversy.
See the few post after I have replied to you.

You know that they are one gang in here.

Now the name calling begins.

People here are hypocrites and ignorant. That is who they are.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 3 2014, 11:25 PM)
Common Luffy, don't resort to that.
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NVM.
I am more convince that's all.
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post Nov 4 2014, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 4 2014, 11:49 AM)
Ha, now you're getting it why we shouldn't use secular dictionary. Ok.

No I don't agree that it's an error in Bible hermeunetics. We can agree to disagree after this.

But The Bible has more than enough reason to support that Soteria as encompassing wholeness as  welfare, prosperity, deliverance, preservation, salvation, safety.

All these are included because When Jesus came, he did all there is. Healing, providing, protecting, Delivering, etc. That is Salvation manifested here on Earth unto Eternal Life in Heaven.
In the Old Testament, God demonstrated He have no problem blessing Abraham, Joseph, Job, David with abundance. So we can safely say, God has no problem with prosperity. If anyone have problem with this, you have problem against God blessing them.

In the John 10:10 - (KJV) The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

It would defeat the purpose of mentioning twice on Life. It is already more than good enough that Jesus came to give us life. This first portion is talking about from being spiritually dead to Spiritually alive in Christ. And Christ continue we will have abundant of it. In Heaven, everything is provided for. There is no more death, no more tears nor sorrow for the former thing has passed away. What abundance be it spiritual or material do you need in Heaven? None. Why I say that? Because the former things is no more. God will remove that. What is the former things? All that Sin corrupted.

Adam had no problem with providence at the beginning. All he had to do is pluck any fruit from any tree. But After the Fall, What did God said to Adam? by the sweat of your brow, you will eat. Meaning you won't have it so easy as in the garden of Eden. There is a curse. The Devil stole that right from Man.

Now that Christ came, he is restoring us to what was lost in Eden.

No Deck, this world is a Fallen world. You cannot say just because God is sovereign that is equal to Him saying he wanted it to happen.

How do you explain all the beheading done by ISIS? God wills it? We know that is not true.

What God is sovereign in right now and we can witness that, The world has not fallen apart in destruction. He holds it in place. 
If we can establish and understand this, what else is there for this explanation?

Who is the one who came to kill steal and destroy? We all know it's Satan and his gang, And Again why God allowed it?
Not because He wants it but because this is a fallen world, deck.

The Bible tells us explicitly, God allowed satan to rule this world.  Can we do anything about it? Yes, Yes we can. We can stand on God's word and believe.
That is why Our Lord tells us :The Righteous shall live by faith. In there has very deep meaning and significance. I need to explain this in parts, not now.

So what about Christians who died from cancer? My Answer is this. God has ordain that it is that's person time to go. All the days of our live is written in God's Book. (Psalm 139:16 )
When it's time, it's time. God can use any way to usher us into Eternal Life, even if the devil wanted to do evil, He can turn it to good. Btw you made it sound as if dying is terrible thing for Christians.  It's not. You got to have an eternal point of view to see how good our God is.
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In the Garden of Eden, basically Adam would not die.
If you say that God is going to restore what was lost in Eden, and I presume you are meaning this to be material and physical, then basically we should not be sick over here.

Also, you seriously think cancer is only about death? You are always looking at things from the surface.

The thing is, the bible talks about the hope to come
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
So obviously, we have faith that in Heaven, God will definitely provide for us completely. If God has already done that over here, what is there to hope for?

You are always implying that God is going to provide everything right now. So then what is the point of hoping then since we have already receive everything.

The behading done by ISIS is not by God's direct will but God allowed it.
Just like God allowed Satan to make Job suffer and destroy everything Job has.

Even Jesus says explictly that
57 And as they went on the way, a certain man said unto him, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest.

58 And Jesus said unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the heaven have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

Meaning, it is not going to be easy following Him.

You seriously think that God cannot destroy Satan right now if He wants to?

The way you write, it is as if Man do not have any responsibility.
When Eve and Adam got tempted, most of the responsibility lies with them and not Satan.

To be honest, what you wrote in this post is just laughable. Really.
You can only write what you wrote here. If you wrote what you have written in other places, you would have been scrutinized very heavily.

Again you twist what people say. Decky wasn't saying that cancer was bad or good.
His concern was since we now have access to wholesome health, why are Christians still having cancer?
Only here. Only here.

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post Nov 4 2014, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 4 2014, 01:24 PM)
God restored to us to operate his kingdom in this fallen world.
That's Jesus said this word: The kingdom of God is near you.

The New World has yet to come where death is completely no more.
Cancer along with all other decease that can be name is the result of the corruption of sin that has brought upon this world.
The day Man was separated from God, the glory that was upon him is lost.

Yes that's right Faith is the evidence of things not seen. For example. You're believing in Faith for this person to be saved. The guy is not saved yet. The evidence is not seen yet and yet when God answers it, your Faith is the evidence of what has happened. Unless you're implying this part that says: the evidence of things not seen equates to it will never happened, that is not correct understanding.

Yes God will provide even right now. Why do  you think Jesus says But your Heavenly father knows that you need them See first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these will be added unto you? He is not promising that in Heaven. In Heaven all is provided for, what else do you need? Nothing.

No. God didn't want Job to go through all that suffering. You forgot, it was Satan who was the one who instigated that! Satan wanted that. If Satan had not instigated against Job, it would not have happened.

No. When Jesus says Foxes have holes, and the birds of the heaven have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head,
it means that: Foxes have homes, So does birds have home. Jesus couldn't find a home with his people. The Word Lay his head is the exact meaning when He gave up his spirit and bow down his head on the cross. What does all this mean? At the Cross, When he died and rose again, now through his atonement, Jesus can make his home in our hearts when we invite him. (Revelation 3:20)

Yes God can destroy Satan if he wants to but He will not at the moment. Why? Because He has already ordained his doom at the end of age. That is the difference.

That's why I say the responsibility lies with Man in this fallen world, If we don't pray....you get the idea.

Sure you can say it's laughable, I'll only be like what you said: It means that you need to resort to insult and according to how you define that.... laugh.gif

Only here? Looks like you still don't get, I thought you did.
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Hmmm. Seriously, I really do not know why I am still continuing in this.
Help me please Decky.
I am pretty sure you can do that. It's pretty easy. Actually hard because someone seems to not be living in reality consistently twisting what I have said, misrepresenting me and even misinterpreting scriptures and not having any logic. He will do the same thing to you as well.

As I said only here.
If it was other place, he would have got hammered.

Yes, insulting someone is much better then the other person twisting what others say.

Honestly UW, what were you working as before. I really want to know.

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post Nov 6 2014, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Nov 6 2014, 09:34 AM)
Thanks UW. Now left 2 more months to work.
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I have been receiving calls from companies almost twice per weak.

I really wish I was in your position. Can get extra bonus money somemore.

Unless, you are worried that no one is going to hire you right now.
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post Nov 6 2014, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Nov 6 2014, 01:10 PM)
Ya quite worry because no job secured/offer yet after this 2 months.
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What is your position and your role?

Development surely no problem
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post Nov 7 2014, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Nov 7 2014, 05:37 PM)
Thanks for letting me share my opinion in this forum biggrin.gif

No i am not leaving, only i cannot reply now. probably later or tomorrow. Friday maa... cell group time  rclxm9.gif

At least i can see we agree that malaysian guy should be combat ready / and know how to combat pornography,
yes nobody agree with my way / technicalities that i share. Which is fine. I fully aware it's controversial.
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The devil is pretty "controversial" too.
Just saying.
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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Nov 10 2014, 02:51 PM)
I think is never too late to start what we like to do. I think for me I need to brush up my technical skill to make me excited back and same time pursuing my studies. gonna be challenging. but hopefully can pull through and enjoy the process of learning and training.
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Sometimes it can be too late.

Let's see, you have to start from beginning at 38-39.
You only have 10 -15 years left.

And you are already at an age where you cannot learn so quickly anymore.
At your current age, it's no more about technical skills anymore.

That's the reality.

Yes it is not too late. If you have the resources.

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post Nov 11 2014, 01:46 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 10 2014, 09:12 PM)
With Man it is impossible but With God all things are possible, no?
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If there is a conviction go ahead.
We are still living in reality.


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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 11 2014, 04:26 PM)
Truth is eternal, things unseen. What can be seen is temporal.

2 Corinthians 4:18 - So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

Realities of Life may say no hope because of this reason and this or that reason but there is always hope in Heavenly Father.
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Well, the truth is.

God uses reality to train us up. It hasn't reach the stage whereby the supernatural is dorminant.
God provides us with wisdom to deal with reality.

Yes, what is seen is temporarily(reality)
The unseen is eternal(spiritual)

The thing with you is. You think that just because you are in Christ, you do not think you have to live in reality anymore.
The fact is reality gets even real when you are in Christ.

Because we are in Christ, We have to undergo persecution etc. Things will no longer go as smoothly as before. We also get more attack from Satan. Things can actually get worse.

Christians in Islam countries even have to die in the name of Christ.

The thing is, through reality, we can also confirm our identity in Christ. When people persecute us because we speak the truth. When people persecute us because we reveal our identity in Christ, it just confirms even more that we are Children of God.
You think that because we are in Christ, we will proper(Things will get better)

The thing is, we will not. In fact, because we are in Christ, we may even be poorer for that(materialistically) because we use our resources to help those in need.

The thing is, the verse which you posted. Yes, we fix our eyes unseen. Not what is seen.
So that is why even though we may suffer from a materialistic point of view or even sometimes an emotional or social point of view,
we look forward because we focus on the eternal things.

Even though our friends or even family will insult us because of our belief. We may even lose dignity. We may even lose material things. But because we are in Christ, we perservere because we are holding on for the hope in the future.

The thing about you is, you are always on the view that God has to do things your way just because you have been saved. You make God your puppet rather then your lord.


Now there is a possibility that God would want a change in direction in your life. But then there is also a possibility that God wants to use the situation to train you up even more.

If there is a strong conviction in you that changing of direction is the way to go, then go for it. If not, then most likely you are just trying to convince yourself that this is the direction that you want to go when in fact God did not intend you to change direction.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 12 2014, 05:39 PM)
biggrin.gif You have a wrong view of who God is. That is why you are bitter and unhappy most of the time in your life.
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Haha. How you know that I am bitter and unhappy most of the time.

Did you even see me in real life?

Just because I happen to be agressive here, you conclude that I am like that in real life.

Shows how shallow you are. Right?

It's pretty easy to say that my views are wrong without any justification.

Your maturity really does not coincide with your age. I feel like I am talking to a twenty something or even a teenager.

Even Decky is probably more matured then you. Says a lot right?

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Nov 12 2014, 06:38 PM)
Maybe your public relation image since day 1 biggrin.gif ?

I also aggressive, and people don't like me. And i know things like this does not go anywhere. It's not only you who feel rejected, bitter and unhappy in the past. I did also, i know how it feel

So i choose to decide to support UW ... at the end it's better have some level of unity, instead of everybody brings their own theology...

company politics ? church politics... it always happen right ? cuz GOD's kingdom always requires team work on nucleus-cell level.
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Again, what makes you think I feel " rejected, bitter and unhappy in the past".

That is the problem with you guys.

Never ever consistent. Even in your own post. And you expect to be taken seriously.

You are only good at name calling that's all.

Are you really a developer? With such logic, I doubt it.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 12 2014, 08:17 PM)
Oh talking about maturity and shallowness, Why blame any of us for concluding like this, since you that's how you portray yourself in this thread most of the time being bitter, condemning, insulting,....just few examples observable.

Friendship, Relationship, getting to know one another takes time...Don't expect any of us to know, how you in real life.  unless you're willing to share part of yourself beyond what you expose yourself to be thus far.

Besides what is the point of you being aggressive?
Justification on your wrong view of God?

Well talk about that later when you settle your aggressive problem first. Don't talk about your view of God when you yourself have problem of understanding what fellowship is all about.
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Yeah, twisting the main gist.

Incredible. How someone can determine a person is sad just by looking at the post.

Really a 40 plus with a 10-20+ mentality.

That is always what you are good at.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 12 2014, 08:29 PM)
No. Nobody is twisting anything.

Like I said, don't blame anyone if that is how you portray yourself.

You'll always hide behind the word "twist" even when clear explanation was given.
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Yeah. Hide is the best word to describe you. The one who is insecure is probably you. You need the attention. Insecure people always need attention

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