QUOTE(Decky @ Nov 3 2014, 07:02 PM)
Yes, Church first (because ecclesiology is so important, the idea of us as a people of God). But my church is pretty much reformed, so I haven't met anyone as close to some of the people here.
Well here's where we might differ. Yes, we shouldn't be too "repent or go to hell!" to our friends, but an essential part of the gospel is that we were saved from God's wrath, so we ought to tell them that if they refuse the grace of christ, then they will not be saved by God's wrath. It's not something that random people will be willing to hear though, but with regards to best friends...
I used to believe in passive-evangelism (wait for people to come to you), but it didn't look very scriptural to me: Don't think Paul could've done what he did by being passive in his evangelism: it looked like he actively approached people to preach the gospel.
And if the gospel is the most important message that our dear friends need to hear, shouldn't we be actively trying to preach? Also, Jesus loves sinners and wants to see them repent, shouldn't we as his disciples want that too?
Well to be honest.Well here's where we might differ. Yes, we shouldn't be too "repent or go to hell!" to our friends, but an essential part of the gospel is that we were saved from God's wrath, so we ought to tell them that if they refuse the grace of christ, then they will not be saved by God's wrath. It's not something that random people will be willing to hear though, but with regards to best friends...
I used to believe in passive-evangelism (wait for people to come to you), but it didn't look very scriptural to me: Don't think Paul could've done what he did by being passive in his evangelism: it looked like he actively approached people to preach the gospel.
And if the gospel is the most important message that our dear friends need to hear, shouldn't we be actively trying to preach? Also, Jesus loves sinners and wants to see them repent, shouldn't we as his disciples want that too?
I really give up. I think you should to.
Yes I agree this is not RWI. At least people in RWI will read what you have written, read what you have said in context.
Over here, things you have written get twisted. Bible verses get twisted just to suit the agenda.
If you read UW last reply to me, you will know what I mean. It's a waste of time, effort, energy to point out the mistake. When UW cannot defend a point, he just conveniently skip it. It's a waste of my research and effort to be honest. He just do not have the decency to answer the critical points, twist verses and misrepresent other people and after a while, he and his gang will then start name calling you and say that you are hostile, etc. He keeps on assuming things. He keeps on assuming that I am preaching a kind of works based "after-salvation" when if you read what I posted, it's not at all.
I think you are starting to realize that he twist what people write, misquote scriptures, misinterpret scriptures(very obvious in his last reply), etc. The only reason why I even replied here is probably because of you. After all I understand your frustration and so I decided to provide support for you. It's amazing that at his age, he still frequently does all those things.
Well, the thing is, sometimes, if you read the bible without the influence of the surrounding theology influencing you, you may find that the theology that you subscribe to may not coincide with what the bible says.
For example, take John Macarthur for example. I do not agree with some of the thing he says for example lordship salvation and age of accountability(Children below certain age) will definitely be saved. I also feel that he is not critical enough of people such as John Piper who has obviously gone the wrong track and is also one I suspected a long time ago before his association with Rick Warren.
Look. In the bible, it's mentioned that we have to be as wise as serpents and as innocent as dove. When you make a mistake, the devil can punish you very severely. You probably know that integrity in today's world means less as compared to yesterday's world. You see, saying " refuse the grace of christ, then they will not be saved by God's wrath" can mean serious problems for you. The thing is yes, we should spread the Gospel whenever we have the opportunity and at the right timing as well. There are ways of going about it too. Sometimes, instead of directly telling your friends the truth, you could probably bring them to a church and get your fellow brothers or sisters to talk to them.
The thing is. Yes, you could probably tell your friends the Gospel, but then would you be able to do so in a convicted way. What if your friends ask you, what right do you have to say that only your God is the real true God. How are you going to answer back to them. The thing is, you can't really tell them that the bible says so or that history says so or that Science says so. The thing is, timing is also very crucial. Also how much trust that person has in you is crucial.
Yes, I do my best to show everyone that Christianity is the truth. When I go to funnerals, I do not bow or chant. And I explain to people why I do not do that. I question some of the customs that are being practised as well and show that those customs are pretty much illogical and in fact rude. My entire family pretty much knows that I am a Christian who do not compromise.
I question islam openly espacially on Shariah Law. So most of the people I associate with kinda get the idea that I do not really approve of their religion.I question also the illogicality of Hinduism.
You see, almost everyone knows that we Christians do not approve of their religion. But then when we say those things directly, the situation gets worse. We are seen as unreasonable. There is always a time for everything. Jesus did not begin his ministry until he was 30 years old. He waited for the right moment to do so. The thing is, he could have started his ministry when he was a kid.
Actually Jesus love sinners, but not all sinners
I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me,[
Jesus Prays for All Believers
20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will[e] believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
24 “Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. 26 And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”
A way of being a testimony towards God is to show love and concern to your friends and family. Also show your integrity. When people see that, then they will also see the truth in us.
Nov 3 2014, 11:07 PM

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