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post Oct 30 2014, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(filage @ Oct 29 2014, 01:11 PM)
I have a rather old, 10 years old in fact PC that sits around collecting dust for many years.

Important specs is:

Pentium 4 2.4 GHz
256MB RAM DDR1
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Exact hardware specifications? Which CPU socket is that? Is it Socket-478 or LGA775 type? For Windows XP, you may want to use at least 512MB or more memory especially... hmm.gif

QUOTE(filage @ Oct 30 2014, 10:16 AM)
Oh btw, also just realized the system's CMOS battery must have kaput already as well. I guess 10 years is a good run for that battery life? The reason the clock time don't run anymore. If I shutdown at 3.10pm yesterday and switch on today, it is that time again. Probably will need to replace that.

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So I believe if I could get my hands on a second hand DDR1 RAM to upgrade the existing, it should probably work like a monster again?  I checked the mainboard manual, it can support up to 2GB DDR1. But only 2 slots available.
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First you have to tell us the motherboard brand and model, or tell us how many memory slots available (and occupied) as well. For the CMOS battery issue, can simply replace the battery... icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Oct 31 2014, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(filage @ Oct 31 2014, 12:01 AM)
Alright, here are the info:

Mainboard: AOpen 45-533

CPU:
Socket 478
Support Intel Pentium 4 CPU
FSB 533MHz
Looks like its Socket-478, thus choices for upgrades are pretty limited especially for faster processor. Optionally can look/search for 2.8GHz to 3GHz processors with 533MHz FSB... hmm.gif

QUOTE(filage @ Oct 31 2014, 12:01 AM)
Chipset: SiS 651, SIS 962L

Main Memory : DDR333 [PC2700]
DIMM : DDR DIMM
DIMM Type : 8/16/32/64/128/256/512MB & 1GB
Max Memory : 2G

OS: Win XP
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More RAM would be better when browsing "heavy" websites. Also if you are using integrated graphics then add a graphic card to speed things up (free up the main memory bandwidth used for sharing graphics and processor)... wink.gif

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post Oct 31 2014, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Oct 31 2014, 08:28 AM)
According to that manual, the highest processor is the Pentium 2.4GHz with Northwood core. Methinks its possible to use Pentium4 2.66GHz to 2.8GHz with the same Northwood core such as ARK | Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 2.66 GHz, 512K Cache, 533 MHz FSB and ARK | Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 2.80 GHz, 512K Cache, 533 MHz FSB. There's also the 3GHz one such as ARK | Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor supporting HT Technology 3.06 GHz, 512K Cache, 533 MHz FSB though considered strething things quite a bit as its possible that the board's VRM may not handle it (since it has much higher wattage)... hmm.gif

QUOTE(1024kbps @ Oct 31 2014, 12:52 AM)
If your OS is Windows XP and with old GPU, most browser wont works smoothly anyway since they're require newer gen GPU and OS to support hardware acceleration.

Features like Direct2D, DirectWrite, CSS3 and more of them which accelerating the web page rendering, only works with Windows Vista and newer, on newer GPU.
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The discrete GPU can actually free up both the shared memory bandwidth and shared graphic memory space. His system uses 533MHz FSB thus every bit of memory performance can make a difference when it comes to memory intensive tasks (such as browsing heavy websites). See next paragraph... nod.gif

QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Oct 31 2014, 10:48 AM)
Personally I wouldn't want the machine to run XP... Microsoft has ended support on XP months ago, which means any security vulnerability will not be fixed...
Attackers could exploit the vulnerability to inject malware... sweat.gif

I'd suggest TS to get a lightweight Linux distro such as Puppy Linux.  There is little hardware upgrade needed, and it would be a far better approach than to use XP and performing expensive hardware upgrades. icon_idea.gif
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I've ran Windows XP on an ancient Socket-478 board before, also with a 2.4GHz Pentium 4 (Northwood core) and just 512MB RAM only. Actually it runs fine for web browsing and minor stuff (including playing back videos up to 720p and some new games). The difference is that I had a discrete graphic card (had used a number of GPUs, highest was NVIDIA GeForce 6800GT) and motherboard was Intel 845E chipset (single channel memory controller). Sold off that machine already years time ago (replaced with LGA775 system)... wink.gif

QUOTE(DarkNite @ Oct 31 2014, 12:49 PM)
I also have a P4 Northwood running winXP but change mobo to G31-M4, upgrade to 4GB ram and is doing fine.
Have run it 24/7 since 2009 with cleaning maintenance once in 6 months.
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From the board model sounds like that processor is LGA775 type, which is easy to find boards (both brand new and used/secondhand) as well as processor upgrades (most Intel G31 chipset based boards can support up to Core 2 Quad)... icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Oct 31 2014, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(filage @ Oct 31 2014, 03:54 PM)
The exact mainboard is this:
http://global.aopen.com/products_detail.aspx?auno=255

BIOS: Award Phoenix

I actually try to look at the BIOS to see whether anything to tune there, but looks like it is sort of economy mainboard, so not much things to tune there.
This board had an AGP slot thus you can try using an AGP graphic card. Besides tuning Windows XP (by reducing the amount of background services and programs), adding more memory would help though... nod.gif

QUOTE(filage @ Oct 31 2014, 03:54 PM)
Also found out 32MB of RAM has been allocated for video (shared memory). This is the lowest system shared memory I can allocate, if go below then video play become lagging. Of course 32MB don't make so much difference, I try to reduce that to 4MB don't see much changes in performance other than video playback having jumpy shadowy colors.
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Like I've mentioned earlier, get a graphic card so that you can free up that shared memory space as well as freeing up the shared memory bandwidth. The discrete graphic card will have its own video memory. Just make sure the graphic card is at least AGP 4X type or better, for video playback performance. And if you are looking for an AGP graphic card with hardware H.264 decoder then look for those ATi Radeon 4000 series such as this example: HIS Graphic Cards: Products > Desktop graphics > AGP Edition > HIS HD 4670 IceQ Native HDMI 1GB (128bit) DDR3 AGP. Do note that GPU based H.264 hardware decoders does not support Hi10p formats (a variation on H.264 codec)... wink.gif

QUOTE(DarkNite @ Oct 31 2014, 04:44 PM)
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Biostar G31-M4: Socket LGA 478
Supports Intel Pentium 4/ Celeron D Processor
Supports FSB 533/800MHz
Support Intel Hyper-Threading Technology
Ya need a GPU, bought that HD4670. Played Company of Heroes2 and Torchlight2 on it laugh.gif
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That is quite surprising, a Socket-478 board utilising Intel G31 chipset. Due to the processor socket type, the maximum/highest processor is Pentium 4 3GHz. Nice thing about that board is the ability to use PCI Express x16 graphic cards... icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 31 2014, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(filage @ Oct 31 2014, 09:35 PM)
At moment, think I'll just opt for the RAM option if I come across some offers (there's one of you offering it free, thanks but I'm not Selangor), scared AGP is hard to find or expensive. I don't intend to spend too much to upgrade the existing hardware because I know it's outdated like changing the processor or mainboard. Would be happy if Facebook can load smoothly though.. LOL.. Currently each time open Facebook, scroll down a bit freeze half a minute and scroll up also. Also webpages with a lot of scripting like the flight radar tracker site also unstable. Other than that, open Lowyat for example is smooth. And play video also smooth with the existing spec.

Oh ya, regarding outdated browsers, I think don't want to install overly outdated browsers cos it may have security issues. Lightweight ones I have tried Opera, the best so far (except heavy script website like FB). K-Meleon seems to be buggy, always close because of some errors, don't feel like using that anymore. I tried this called Midori during my search for lightweight browser, it isn't really light in my opinion after using.

So overall, just intend to use it for web browsing (hopefully if can FB smoothly would make my day). And watch some movies, which has satisfy my target at the moment. Not a gamer so don't think will be using any games on it.  unsure.gif

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A lot of good info thanks.
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That freeze and slow downs are most likely due to the swap file, that is the operating system is using the hard drive as part of the "virtual memory" system. Having more memory help to reduce this effect (less swap file operations). Generally AGP graphic cards are easy to find, just that its hard to get those higher end ones (such the that ATi Radeon HD4670 I've mentioned earlier). Generally any AGP 4X graphic card or AGP 8X graphic card will do. wink.gif

QUOTE(filage @ Oct 31 2014, 09:43 PM)
Probably 100 or 200 max.  blush.gif Unless it is looks promising to become a monster production machine, but I think p.4 still can't compare to those multi core today right? Don't think it's worth to overly upgrade it.  So for browsing, words and watch movie what I target at moment.
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That should be enough for additional memory, an AGP graphic card and possibly a faster processor. Can also opt for the package pointed out by TristanX as well... icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Nov 1 2014, 05:48 AM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Oct 31 2014, 11:22 PM)
Bro, too much pain.
P4 is too ancient.
AGP is too slow.
IDE  sweat.gif
That Pentium4 may be ancient but still faster than even those processors found in many mobile phones and phablets (using the single thread performance metric). The processor was pretty sufficient for web browsing purposes provided there is plenty of memory available. And IDE hard drives can be as fast as the first SATA hard drives. The only difference is the I/O interface speed but generally hard drives are the same. The only time the AGP graphic card can be considered slow is when using it for playing 3D intensive games and playing high resolution videos (such as those 1080p ones). Have tested various AGP graphic cards (S3, NVIDIA, ATi and SiS) many years ago and the conclusion is that for video playback (for 480p and higher) minimum would be an AGP 4X graphic card. hmm.gif

QUOTE(DarkNite @ Oct 31 2014, 11:22 PM)
That's why I got the G31-M4 mobo, slot in 4Gb ram and a HD 4670 on the PCI with 4 units of 1TB HDD.
But that was like 4 years ago. Now I think better you save money for better machine.
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Didn't realise that some motherboard manufacturers used the Intel G31 chipset for a Socket-478 motherboard. Some of the areas (in web browsing) that may be a problem for Pentium4 processor would be playing non-hardware accelerated Flash Player videos (may struggle even at 480p only) and certain web-based 3D intensive Flash games... icon_rolleyes.gif

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