Hi, creating this from the previous thread:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/751278/+3500

So from what I gather, the best brand in the market right now would be Mitsubishi, is this correct?

And the two brands to come after that would be Panasonic and Daikin right?

Sharp in general is noisy?

One major problem I face is that I can't seem to find any brick-and-mortar shops selling Mitsubishi ACs.. so far most of them are all selling Panasonic and promote Panasonic heavily as the best..

But I have read from the previous thread that Panasonic may cause problems too?

Anyone mind sharing their thoughts on these to help others (including myself) on their next aircon purchase?

Banyak kamsiah to all who share their experiences!

supersound

Any brand will cause problems if you don't know how to use it.
But certain brands last longer and some are not. Service centers, electrical shops opinion will be more accurate than forum's review.
In general, non inverter last longer than inverter models since the components used different. Non inverter in general using thermostate to control outdoor unit's cut in/out while inverter is using sensors, IC to control.
If you want an air cond to be "noisy", off all the features and set to the lowest temperature, fan speed at max.

@supersound is expert at aircon I assume

Hmm.. electrical shop opinions, sometimes I feel that they are talking a lot of BS.. they don't really know what they are talking about. Not all, but some of them.

Anyway, so you are suggesting that it is better to get non-inverter than an inverter because it will last longer?

Up to you, this is my personal view.
You need to go to the right shop only to get a more objective review. HN, SenQ are the wrong place

Oh normally I go to Senheng.. do you know where to get Mitsubishi aircons btw? in Damansara area..

If you not die die must buy in the chain store,
there are abundant shop selling ME or MHI,
Just visit your nearest electrical shop for comparison or might want to try jintex for online price

from my experience with inverter vs. non-inverter models under constant on conditions (24/7, set to 28/27 degrees only, non-full load, regularly cleaned, no chemical wash, dismantling only rarely if at all) i can say that after a few years - no matter which model you use - non-inverter units start to give issues at the outside compressor due to the constand on/off. cheap units tend to last maybe 2 yrs and then the bearing rattles. same goes for the inside blower fan. better brands (carrier, panasonic, etc.) tend to just have the outside compressor problem, the blower fan and stuff seems to last and stays quiet. also the outside compressor casing rusts, the cheaper the faster.
i never had any other major issues with any aircon i used like this, no controller board spoil etc.

inverter: running 24/7 now for up to 7 years: issues (all panasonic) none besides the 2 HB horizontal flap motor died on me (flap falls instead moving up / down so i set it not to move). no getting noisy, nothing. outside also nothing besides a bit of rust near the connecting pipes at the casing. makes sense, no on-off all the time makes them last actually longer a bit.

Inverter really long run than non inveter all the time, for me I dun mind to grab inverter used Aircon for extra room.

why no ppl discuss about samsung =( ,

Samsung & LG art-cool should the legend also.

But due to their technology more advance than others traditional jap brands & also they never push on Ads at all.

So no ppls will realized that is already improved a lot than previous design.

Cut in/out too often will result to capacitor fail on non inverter. But mine only fail after 7 years
I have no money to on 24/7 as my lung condition are very bad.

Change into inverter then you can enjoy 24/7 already

Guys, I planning to get 2 units of 1.0hp non-inverter but with ionizer (plasma).

Currently aiming for York, get quoted RM1260 with installation.

Is that the good price? Any shop can recommend to me for good pricing.

Thanks

This post has been edited by scdvom: Oct 28 2014, 10:16 PM

Ionizer isn't works?

That price add up Rm150 can decide for inverter already, better cooling and more comfort for sleep.

Wow cool



This post has been edited by kimsim: Oct 29 2014, 06:28 AM

I got basic 2hp. Ok la. No problem.

Ionizer from air cond doesn't work?

Works, u can't feels, if the filter already stuck too many dusts, then become more dirty air to be blowing out to you.

More works is buy separate ionizer & air purifier much better

thinking about buying 1 also.. dont know which 1 to choose.. any suggestion fellas?

You should have any brand right.

Mit Pana Daikin York Sharp

I see. But I thought air cond only comes with 1 air filter? if the air filter get stuck with dust, even the blowing air from the air cond without ionizer also dirty right?

When the filter get stuck with dust, you need to clean it, like 1 month it stuck 50% then every 2 weeks you need to clean it.
Till today I never trust that air cond with fancy functions can make us healthier, best is still eat healthily, do regular exercise(or sexercise ), drink more water and use less air cond.
When air is too dry(since another air cond function is to remove moisture content in your room), this can make our body dry also. When this happens, our lung will start to produce sputum to keep air passage wet which later develope cough.

For newbie only
How do you choose an the right Air-Con for your home!

1. Please visit here nearness of you, such as jusco or any aircon shops for asking specs or visit thier website online for checking the right specs.
2. Please look at the smaller input watts : such as 800w (8000BTU / 800w = 10 EER) at least go for 11 EER for more energy saving.
3. Choose your specs " Inverter or Non-Inverter.
4. Don't get brushing from salesman for Non-Inverter last more longer or Inverter Gas more expansive for future top up.. (Answer: Wrong)
Inverter unit last more longer runs or more durable for breakdown, even Gas R410a would be going to cheaper in future..if your aircon gas leaks :
meant that installation no up to qauilfied of installation experience, meant the gas leakage would be in the short of within 2 weeks time only.
5. Good in workmanship : meant even usage up to 10 yrs you still don't worried for gas top up else, just do the monthly filter clean out
mantain like new for last longer.
6. Nowadays if your aircon can be last up to 10 yrs = the condition also need to be replacement new unit already,
higher maintenance would be coming up on after 5 yrs and above : such as compressor mounting, fan motor magnet, blower noisy, casing getting rust
or dusts blocked over an aluminium coil fins else, (apply additional filter can be save up your trouble or money for call for service).
7. Pana, Mit Mr Slim, MHI, Daikin, Hitachi, York, Sharp, LG, Samsung all you can decided, for those brands have thier Pro and Cons.

how about MHI vs York?

ttp://www.renotalk.com/forum/topic/10567-mitsubishi-heavy-industry-aircon/
see very good review of MHI

MHI also easy clean


AC Mitsubishi Low watt series (1/2pk) SRK-05CM-3
Smallest indoor design, Low Watt(320 watt)
Feature:
½ PK
- Low Wattage 320 Watt
- The smallest AC in the world
- Compact Size
- Long Reach Air Flow
- One Action Filter

Spesifikasi :
CAPACITY
Cool 1.46 kW
BTU/h 5.000
INPUT & EER
320 Watt
13.3
DIMENSIONS ( W x H x D )
Indoor 262 x 614 x 210 mm
Outdoor 437 x 708.7 x 336 mm

Overview :
• COMPACT SIZE
Thanks to this new fin configuration applied to “Heavy Duty Micro”, the desired result is its compact size.

• LONG REACH AIR FLOW
With our remarkable jet flow technology. It allows at once long reach air flow (11m) and minimum power consumption.

• ONE ACTION FILTER
For easy maintenance filter can be taken off and put on easily by just 1 slide action.

• LUMINOUS BUTTON
With wireless “luminous” remote controls that even “glow in the dark”, it is possible to operate all desired function of the unit with the click of a button.

• 24-HOUR PROGRAMMABLE TIMER
By combining a start timer with a stop timer, you can register two timer operations a day. Once set, timers will faithfully start or stop the system at a specified time of the day repeatedly.

• SELF DIAGNOSTIC
In the case that the air conditioner malfunctions an internal microcomputer automatically runs a self diagnostic (inspections and repair should be performed by authorized dealer).

• AUTO RESTART
Power blackout auto restart function is a function that records the operational status of the air conditioner immediately prior to it being switched off by a power cut and the automatically resumes operations at that point after the power has been restart.

your statements some are flaw :
6. all are condition based, like location of the outdoor unit, if always exposed to rain water and direct sunlight or near to sea, sure rust faster. Mine till now never rust and electric bill still remain the same. So please stop mislead people.
1. this is not the right place as most of the promoters know nuts.
2. again, don't mislead people with such numbers. A person shall choose his right air cond based on room size, wall condition before looking at those numbers. Power consumption will be important.
4. Inverter do last long, but not the sensors and the electronics inside.
5. By setting the coldest temperature with highest fan speed all the time, the gas will be missing over the time. But if use it gently, it will last long, so don't mislead people.

Pana vs MHI or ME.

Pana actually can be more durable than MHI, for MHI don't have thier own team for after sales supports.
Parts wise for Pana more easy to get or replace else, unlike MHI have to do order from Thailand.

Pana got thier strong supporter like "Supersound" bro or some user from National to Pana, died died would go Pana,
also like my bro in law house all items was Pana.. just see the brand and get bored.

In S'pore MHI really much cheaper than ME, for ME got thier high tech n higher BTU of compressor capacity to suit up
muilti split unit and rooms, for MHI really much easir for spoil on thier PCB of outdoor compressor, if wanna last longer
then go for ME is the best of Muilt split choices.

Pana would not too cold or quiet like ME quietess in 19dBA for thier GE10/13VA model, but now they had change for GJ10VA on 21dBA already,
also called cut cost at all, but they have strong point for easy clean, that is the best for user can be without any tool and
easily to access into blower part for empty dust in few minutes.

Wanna branded then go for Pana lah, but MHI deluxe model got thier best for lower input watts at 680w only for inverter series.

What do you think for.. im have no idea, but if im move back to Kuching for sure, i would like to ask Melco service centre in KCH
for order ME aircon and bring to Kch for my own house there.

Thanks.

Most inverter just need preset on 25C only for non-inverter how much lower u can set?

Size of room you never say, from the salesman would recommend you.

If in the good condition for the gas will be never leak at all, unless is coil fins broken.



This post has been edited by kimsim: Oct 29 2014, 09:15 AM

Sexercise haha....After all, ionizer is not a point to concern for the air cond unit? Alright!!! But I really need a long last model. Will turning on my cond for more than 12 hours per day. For long term running, those services / parts repair; inverter or non inverter can save more cost?

how about york vs MHI bro?
MHI also have easy clean no need tool now. I do not want to consider COOL aircon. I just wanna consider the COLD aircon which are MHI, Daikin, ME, and York.

how about fridge with ion, vitamin, crisper, anti smell? for fridge I follow you using Sanyo since it's part of panasonic. choose the brand manufacturer that produce jet pump since the compressor are similar.

York when brand new is good like branded Aircon, after incoming 3 yrs time, once you clean out internal blower was getting vibration and created some noisy n can't solved. Maybe is rubber bearing on blower to be put some grease, when I'm go back in Sibu for my wife home town n solve for it.

MHI I'm really no comment cause due to hard getting info, I guess is can't easy clean lah

12 hours? Get inverter, for me that are using only 4-5 hours a day, I need 5-6 years to get back the savings from inverter.
The best way is do not use econavi, just use the normal function will do.

I don't bother much with those fancy functions. Since my food are fresh most of the time.
Even my basic Panasonic fridge can keep stuffs up to 1 week without problem.

Alright, thanks for the share dude.

Aiksss....thinking of to get the York. Is all the model from York will turn noisy after the cleaning of internal blower?

Maybe yes there was never solved like proton car after few years and turn much noisy

Cause is cheaper cost ma

Maybe that blower bearing rubber just few riggit only.
Like mounting have to change ha ha

This post has been edited by kimsim: Oct 29 2014, 09:59 AM

York is a known brand for noisy, good for office usage but not for sleeping

samsung is too cheap..price will be same like china brand. we are afraid of cheap pricing ma..better the most expensive ME, Pana and Daikin ma.

If you know how to charge it by own, there's really good brand, cold enough and powerful also with quiet mode really works

ONE ACTION FILTER
For easy maintenance filter can be taken off and put on easily by just 1 slide action.

just one slide action ma..no need tools!

Then great loh

So you guys wanna replace or install new should be done before dec or CNY right...

kimsim, you sell air cond units?

No I'm as Aircon to be my part of hobby everyday long

I see..thought can have some good price from you

This post has been edited by scdvom: Oct 29 2014, 10:53 AM

No problem..

supersound maybe you can look for him.
His Pana maybe got offer

This post has been edited by kimsim: Oct 29 2014, 10:55 AM

@supersound you sell air cond units?

Trust me, don't take Samsung, is like VW, veryworrysome
With this type of weather, air cond fail you are in trouble.
Mitsubishi are "popular" due to they sponsor SG's government a lot.

I don't sell, standing as user's point of view.

but I don't like pana.. not cold enough for me just fan windy blower.



kimsim, is this ME easy to clean? because not all ME easy to clean right?

Except for latest M'sia website show on both side air flow separate and Zen model, I had it Zen in s'pore flat, but still never used yet on reno stage.

The rest all easy clean on ME models

This post has been edited by kimsim: Oct 29 2014, 12:22 PM

Not cold can be due to some factors, room size, wall material, house direction all come in to play.
All the blower unit's filter can be DIY, just open the cover, remove the filter, wash with water and kalas.
My Panasonic also not cold on certain time

Not cold really is Pana issue, compressor supports not up to spec.

MS type is mr.slim model.

kim sim. the easy clean series don't have the 1/2hp

Again, do not use baseless and subjective review to mislead people.

Cause mine last time is face the same issue. Never baseless at all.

Deluxe non-inverter model Leh, what I paid for Rm1099 without install and after installed getting disappointed result of won't cool and must be used 2nd fan level to be noisy.

Still recalled that model called AC Robot

This post has been edited by kimsim: Oct 29 2014, 12:40 PM

Hmm seriously don't go wrong with MHI.

For ME most model is easy clean

but supersound said MHI not good meh.

He said same noisy than Pana.

If he support it meant good one

I think I never say that before.
What I don't like is tech support are lesser compare to Panasonic.

Yup, you are right. On hot sunny day, I'll set 26°C on my friend's Mitusbishi air cond and tell him why it can't cool the room fast?

From 26C to 25C inverter really can tell the different for instantly feels.

If non-inverter on 26C really cannot sleep already, just feels hot or warm

Do you know why I always says you like to use baseless and subjective review? Because you never try to understand what I said and try to act stupid

You really dunno as a user needed, as a user for sure choose for better cooling and quiet to suit their room for better sleep.

You knew what?

Ppls buying Aircon used for what purpose? Getting cold down the room right..

In some sense you are right, but with wrong configuration it won't give the best result.
If I want to shine a brand with your baseless and subjective review, I'll do the "objective" measures on night time after raining. This can come out result A that can impress others.
But if I want to bash a brand(like what you like to do most of the time), I'll do it on hot afternoon and choose the hottest room, do the "objective" measures and come out result B to mislead people.

This model Zen dun have easy clean also


But it have.

kimsim,


how about this model? have easy clean?



thanks

This look like previous model

then is it easy cleaning or not?

This is easy clean, but where you get it old model for R22 non-inverter, new or used?

of course new la brother. kuching

Why never try to get Inverter?

1. expensive initial cost
2. my bedroom just 90sqf- only need 5k btu
3. it is low watt - 0.32kwh
4. inverter can be spoil fast and expensive maintenance
5. R410 not cold enough compared R22, the new inverter will be R32, slightly colder than R410

i saw some aircon have auto cleaning function
does this mean i dont have the take the filter off and clean myself ?

Huh... Never heard on R410a not cooler than R22, I want pansan already, for most user after went to inverter feedback was much last longer than R22, u wanna saving money isn't ?

This post has been edited by kimsim: Oct 30 2014, 10:18 AM

Yes, you may do so.
Just later when it fails, don't ask for help

means no ?
btw should i get a unit with ionizer ?

This post has been edited by KHOdin: Oct 30 2014, 02:14 PM

You need to remove and clean the filter once a month, then you no need to do major service every year
As for ionizer or not, most are coming as a package. I don't bother much on this, making your room clean will still the important part.

okay thanks for your advice

Just did a DIY cleaning of my air cond(already 1.5 years never send for service).
This is the photo after cleaning, before the cleaning, all the fins are full of dust

Why no?



AC Robot for failure product, cause can't last longer to due user lazy for empty dust storage.

Time to used additional filter from Daiso

Nope, it will reduce the inlet flow and causing noisy blower.

Not really reduce the airflow speed, dun have extra noisy level.. Just lazy to replace filter once is stucks more dust already would be minor reduce cooling n airflow only, but that is good can tell u to change in time.

The bonus like psi haze increase a lot of the filter lagi fast for collection more dust.

HI guys, does anyone has an reliable air con contractor to recommend? My house is undergo renovation and need to relocate and change the existing air con pipe plus servicing. Share with me if any, TQVM!

you forgot to mention your location bro

Hi guys, is this below good price?

Mitsubishi Electric
http://www.mitsubishielectricmalaysia.com/...nd/non-inverter

Main Features:
• Easy Clean
• Triple Plasma+
• i-see Sensor
• Nano-Platinum Filter
• 7&2 Years Warranty

Spec : http://www.mitsubishielectricmalaysia.com/...ecification.pdf

1 HP (MS-FG10VC) = RM1100
1.5 HP (MS-FG13VC) = RM1480
2 HP (MS-FG18VC) = RM2150

Price without installation!

Survey another few shops before decide. I feel a bit expensive.