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 Aircon Discussion v2, Continuing on from previous AC topics

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post May 25 2015, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ May 25 2015, 08:15 AM)
You too old already... Like buy a car and the specs has meantion lower hosepower and the weight x 2 than engine capacity then you still buy?

End out like what? Petrol drinker lah bro.
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Am I too old for this?
You are totally wrong.
Checking the spec is to know more details and does it fit the purpose or not.
Like I bought a fake Lancer last year together with my wife's Jazz. Both are driving the same mileage daily and both of us also almost the same condition, stop, go, stop in traffic jams.
End up my fake Lancer are doing 13km/l while my wife's Jazz 10km/l.
Checking the spec not important? Well, as said, I'm a cheapskate(if this can make you happy) and only willing to pay rm50-70 of TNB bill comparing to your bill of >rm100 and still boasting around that your appliance are saving energy whistling.gif
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post May 25 2015, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(DecaPix @ May 25 2015, 11:40 AM)
dont understand also why some ppl keep saying R410a is super power god refrigerant when the EER is almost exactly the same with R-22.
improvement maybe just by tiny bit.
inverter will give you better EER rather than just changing refrigerant.
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Because by talking on the gas, they can boast they know better than you, simple as that. This is something like a fanboy want to boast on his junk are superior than your equipment.
Regardless of what gas being used, it is just a transfer medium. How you install the air cond's outdoor unit, what is inside your room, type of bricks and paint being used and other factors come in to play.
Like now I'm using non inverter air cond, my bill still about rm50-70 but a fanboy here that keep on boasting how superior his inverter air cond is, his bill still > rm100.
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QUOTE(supersound @ May 25 2015, 12:35 PM)
Am I too old for this?
You are totally wrong.
Checking the spec is to know more details and does it fit the purpose or not.
Like I bought a fake Lancer last year together with my wife's Jazz. Both are driving the same mileage daily and both of us also almost the same condition, stop, go, stop in traffic jams.
End up my fake Lancer are doing 13km/l while my wife's Jazz 10km/l.
Checking the spec not important? Well, as said, I'm a cheapskate(if this can make you happy) and only willing to pay rm50-70 of TNB bill comparing to your bill of >rm100 and still boasting around that your appliance are saving energy whistling.gif
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Ok ok From Rm50-70 just like usage washer dryer only.

I can expected your home appliances very lesser than others household
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post May 25 2015, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ May 25 2015, 12:35 PM)
Am I too old for this?
You are totally wrong.
Checking the spec is to know more details and does it fit the purpose or not.
Like I bought a fake Lancer last year together with my wife's Jazz. Both are driving the same mileage daily and both of us also almost the same condition, stop, go, stop in traffic jams.
End up my fake Lancer are doing 13km/l while my wife's Jazz 10km/l.
Checking the spec not important? Well, as said, I'm a cheapskate(if this can make you happy) and only willing to pay rm50-70 of TNB bill comparing to your bill of >rm100 and still boasting around that your appliance are saving energy whistling.gif
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Did you swap cars and test? It could be driving pattern.
Just like how the same air conditioner, in the same size room, can have very different power consumption based on usage pattern.

I think to summarize between R22 and R410A, very easy.. if you want cheap air con, seldom use, R22 lah. I also use R22 in my other home, I'm only there once every other month. No reason to get R410A or inverter there.

If you're moving into a new home, makes more sense for R410A as you need to lay out the copper pipes, especially true for concealed pipes, as R22 is being phased out.
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post May 25 2015, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(Jason @ May 25 2015, 02:38 PM)
Did you swap cars and test? It could be driving pattern.
Just like how the same air conditioner, in the same size room, can have very different power consumption based on usage pattern.

I think to summarize between R22 and R410A, very easy.. if you want cheap air con, seldom use, R22 lah. I also use R22 in my other home, I'm only there once every other month. No reason to get R410A or inverter there.

If you're moving into a new home, makes more sense for R410A as you need to lay out the copper pipes, especially true for concealed pipes, as R22 is being phased out.
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Tested, still the same. And my driving behaviour are more aggresive laugh.gif
Anyway, back to topic, some inverter models are also using R22 gas. So, the gas difference makes the air cond behave differently does not stands.
Also, we can't do an objective AB test on the gas difference and the effect from it as no manufacturers are building the same air cond model that can use different gas.
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QUOTE(supersound @ May 25 2015, 02:52 PM)
Tested, still the same. And my driving behaviour are more aggresive laugh.gif
Anyway, back to topic, some inverter models are also using R22 gas. So, the gas difference makes the air cond behave differently does not stands.
Also, we can't do an objective AB test on the gas difference and the effect from it as no manufacturers are building the same air cond model that can use different gas.
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Ha ha you won't knew R22 after usage a few years later on the gas itself would turn into darker or more sticky without runing smoothly, unlike when new.

That is why old compressor works harder can hear vibration and higher noise level as well
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post May 25 2015, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ May 25 2015, 03:05 PM)
Ha ha you won't knew R22 after usage a few years later on the gas itself would turn into darker or more sticky without runing smoothly, unlike when new.

That is why old compressor works harder can hear vibration and higher noise level as well
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Yes, you are right, now my outdoor unit darn noisy when I compare it with my portable HDD whistling.gif
But surprisingly, a new Samseng outdoor unit's noise level are like a diesel engine that never been service for 5 years thumbup.gif
I know you are trying to cheat and mislead people here on your bullshit, but until today I never see a gas will turn color by itself, especially in a closed system rclxub.gif
Want to cheat, look for better lies lar, brother.
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post May 25 2015, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ May 25 2015, 03:11 PM)
Yes, you are right, now my outdoor unit darn noisy when I compare it with my portable HDD whistling.gif
But surprisingly, a new Samseng outdoor unit's noise level are like a diesel engine that never been service for 5 years thumbup.gif
I know you are trying to cheat and mislead people here on your bullshit, but until today I never see a gas will turn color by itself, especially in a closed system rclxub.gif
Want to cheat, look for better lies lar, brother.
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i never believe non-inverter air con will be silent than inverter...thats bull shit as well... my neighbor staying opposite me is using non inverter... the noise level is unbearable ..luckily my overpriced flat unit is not directly facing the blackies....



imagine i can listen to the compressor sound if i stay at living hall ....my flat very small unit only...less than 1400sf ,... thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(^Ware^wolf @ May 25 2015, 03:19 PM)
i never believe non-inverter air con will be silent than inverter...thats bull shit as well... my neighbor staying opposite me is using non inverter... the noise level is unbearable ..luckily my overpriced flat unit is not directly facing the blackies....
imagine i can listen to the compressor sound if i stay at living hall ....my flat very small unit only...less than 1400sf ,... thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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Basically is the fan design matters. I every year will apply some lubricant to the bearings. My 10 year old non inverter Panasonic 1.5HP air cond's noise are at 35dB only. A York air cond can sound as loud as 45-50dB while Samseng air conds I measured when I work in Qatar are at 85dB with high vibration icon_idea.gif
Regular maintenance are another factor.
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Is airconds more expensive now with gst? Wanna shift to econavi inverter..
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QUOTE(nanan75 @ May 25 2015, 04:45 PM)
Is airconds more expensive now with gst?  Wanna shift to econavi inverter..
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that air con not cold 1 wor. power savings 9 9 lah.
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post May 25 2015, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(nanan75 @ May 25 2015, 04:45 PM)
Is airconds more expensive now with gst?  Wanna shift to econavi inverter..
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Price should be the same. The most may up by 1% since GST replaced SST and seller can claim back 3% from government.
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QUOTE(^Ware^wolf @ May 25 2015, 03:19 PM)
i never believe non-inverter air con will be silent than inverter...thats bull shit as well... my neighbor staying opposite me is using non inverter... the noise level is unbearable ..luckily my overpriced flat unit is not directly facing the blackies....
imagine i can listen to the compressor sound if i stay at living hall ....my flat very small unit only...less than 1400sf ,... thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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Just selfish ppls who willing to paid for non inverter at all.

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post May 25 2015, 06:33 PM

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One more question,regarding d air-cond on off switch(with d red light),can we on 24/7?
Will d power comsumption very high?
As i am a bit lazy sometimes to on d switch as it is at d far end corner of my room.
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QUOTE(Str33tBoY @ May 25 2015, 06:33 PM)
One more question,regarding d air-cond on off switch(with d red light),can we on 24/7?
Will d power comsumption very high?
As i am a bit lazy sometimes to on d switch as it is at d far end corner of my room.
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On off switch if necessary for when repair or cleaning maintenace will do..

If on & off too often may cause on PCB failure in future.
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QUOTE(Str33tBoY @ May 25 2015, 06:33 PM)
One more question,regarding d air-cond on off switch(with d red light),can we on 24/7?
Will d power comsumption very high?
As i am a bit lazy sometimes to on d switch as it is at d far end corner of my room.
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Can, you can leave it on 24/7, provided you do earth leak test weekly.
As per ST(government)'s advise, it is good to power off and unplug(if possible) the appliance when not in use.
If you leave it on, it will consume some power, this you need to check the spec of the air cond.
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post May 25 2015, 10:36 PM

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I dun think most of d air-cond installed can be unplugged,unless u ask d installer to do it purposely for u...
I know it will consume some power for sure,but by how much? Ani rough figure? Like rm10 / month?
So from bro kimsim,i got ur meaning by jz leave it on rite?
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post May 25 2015, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(Str33tBoY @ May 25 2015, 10:36 PM)
I dun think most of d air-cond installed can be unplugged,unless u ask d installer to do it purposely for u...
I know it will consume some power for sure,but by how much? Ani rough figure? Like rm10 / month?
So from bro kimsim,i got ur meaning by jz leave it on rite?
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That's why I said if possible, else just turn it off thumbup.gif
It will consume few watts only. But the risk is, if got lightning strike, it will damage the air cond.
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post May 26 2015, 12:59 AM

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During calculation , how do we split the ratio between full load and partial load ? Usually full load run for how long ?
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post May 26 2015, 07:27 AM

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QUOTE(soonlee33 @ May 26 2015, 12:59 AM)
During calculation , how do we split the ratio between full load and partial load ? Usually full load run for how long ?
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Is depend on area space and weather.

There is no fixed at all, just simple door opening then can the see light turn on for increase load speed.

That's why called it variable speed on inverter technology



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