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ruzaini88
post Nov 6 2019, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(MonkeyDLuffy @ Aug 16 2019, 11:15 AM)
I just bought th65fz950 and when I use it to watch Netflix movie (most are HD or 4k), I somehow feel that the picture has shadow. Especially during fast pace action. U can see trailing shadow. No doubt that the picture is super clear but this shadow or ghosting is making me headache. How to solve?
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You can try set Intelligent Frame Creation (Picture setting) to OFF to see the difference. I guess this might solve your issue.



QUOTE(triOz88 @ Aug 23 2019, 05:19 PM)
Do Panasonic have their own android tv? just search their website only smart tv..
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AFAIK, Panasonic is already testing android TV in some market. It's good move because good hardware without a proper software (my home screen) cannot deliver
best usability to customers. For instance in Vietnam there are some entry 4K models using Android TV.

If they start to adopt ATV for all the markets, it can be a boost for their TV business for sure. Then they can make comeback to US market too.



ruzaini88
post Nov 6 2019, 02:45 PM

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Guys, I just bought 55GX800 1 week ago.

If there is any GX800 current/upcoming users I am open for discussion smile.gif

Overall quite satisfied with it! Bang for the buck.
The only thing that made me sad is there is no Atmos support in Netflix.



ruzaini88
post Nov 8 2019, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(MonkeyDLuffy @ Nov 8 2019, 10:01 PM)
What is this intelligent frame creation for?
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ruzaini88
post Nov 9 2019, 11:19 AM

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My preference for IFC:
Movie 'Mid'
Sport 'Min'

When I use Mid for Soorts the ball sometimes become double during fast movement of the ball.
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post Nov 10 2019, 11:19 AM

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IFC setting impact is not same for all models.
It depend on BMR number of the TV.

For instance, if you play 1 source from 3 different TV which has different BMR but same IFC setting the output will be no same.

I have tried a football source on GX800 and FZ950, IFC setting to 'mid' in both TVs. In GX800 the ball can be double at sometime but in FZ950 all normal.
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post Nov 10 2019, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Nov 10 2019, 01:50 PM)
FZ950 is an OLED TV .... All OLED screens have 0.1 ms response time ...light years ahead of LCD . Ghosting is never a problem on the OLED screen .
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Exactly bro...just to say the IFC setting in each TV make different impact.
Its all depend on user, that why it is a option in the picture setting menu.
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post Nov 18 2019, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(sadaniel @ Nov 17 2019, 11:41 AM)
I'm split between hisense 65 inch b7700 and Pana 55 gx800. Both are 4k hdr dv local dimming and about the same price.

I only watch movies on my TV. I played my movies using himedia q10 {is it better than built in player?) Please help me making this decision.
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The picture quality gap between this 2 models is like point gap between Liverpool and Manchester United.
If 55" just nice for you seating distance, go for Pana.

FYI, B7700 doesn't have WCG panel to display HDR colours.

This post has been edited by ruzaini88: Nov 18 2019, 02:34 PM
ruzaini88
post Nov 19 2019, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(doi0728 @ Nov 19 2019, 09:54 AM)
currently im using samsung ks7000, is it worth upgrade to panasonic gx800 ?
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not worth I guess. KS7000 is a good TV.


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ruzaini88
post Nov 20 2019, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(doi0728 @ Nov 19 2019, 04:47 PM)
nah my tv still working good, just im thinking to change my parents tv, so im looking a model tat can replace my ks7000, so tat i can pass my ks7000 to them tongue.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 19 2019, 05:13 PM)
Ooh..
Then I think the model u proposed should be okay.
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ruzaini88
post Nov 16 2020, 01:53 PM

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I see many people here arguing GX800 (MY version, IPS) "local dimming".

Let me share my 1 year experience with this TV.
From what I see this TV not just doing CE dimming (frame dimming).
The implementation is similar like Samsung NU8000 local dimming with edge backlight. I guess it was 16 zones vertical zone local dimming.
But for this Panasonic TV I cant see it goes beyond 2 zones. It just half-half zone control vertically. So in actual video scenes, this would not help much.
Unless if you see a video with half side picture being dark, and another side is bright then this local dimming quite obvious.
Whatever it is Panasonic still got logic to call this "local dimming" because it can control >1 zone.





I have both NU8000 (65") and GX800 (55")
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post Nov 16 2020, 01:56 PM

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Few weeks ago Panasonic pushed an update to enable Atmos in Netflix biggrin.gif
Better late than never!
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post Nov 16 2020, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Nov 16 2020, 02:59 PM)
These so called " zones " can also happen in pre-programming algorithm within the software dimming , 1-6 or 6-12 zones .

That is not a local dimming system because even SDR TV can do that .

All it has to do is turn off the half or quarter of the LED ARRAY in the backlight ,  it doesn't actually control its backlight to the same manner as NU8000 or even the new X90H .
To add to the argument , GX800 has a typical brightness of 300 cd/m2 . And if the local dimming system is effective , it will be way higher than 300 cd/m2 .

This suggest GX800 either has an inactive Local Dimming system or has none . I haven't actually crack open a GX800 to check .

At the end of the day we care about the result .

Since either of the answer lead to the same result - it doesn't nearly improve the Picture Quality like a FALD TV like X90H do , it is pointless to argue about its existence .
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My point here it is still local dimming. I dont want to touch about FALD topic.
From electrical hardware point of view, you need to have by zone LED controller to achieve this. The fundamental is same for edge lit Local Dimming or full array Local Dimming.
Those differences are number of zones and impact to the picture. Thats it.

I didn't do measurement with this TV but I have done simple video test for both NU8000 and GX800 in dark room. White box moving video from side to side (horizontally)
Easily I see NU8000 able to control the edge LEDs by zone (~16), but same video on GX800 work differently where I could see only 2 LED zones.

In a way for me I still see the impact of this local dimming in this TV.
I cant agree this " it doesn't nearly improve the Picture Quality like a FALD TV like X90H do , it is pointless to argue about its existence ."
Make no sense to compare with FALD. I am not arguing here, I am just sharing my experience and trying to explain electrical design.

Local dimming not only for full array! It can also be implemented in edge lit!

Software algorithm pixel dimming (so called micro dimming by some makers) is another story. It is not local dimming. Obviously.
Beware of chinese TV makers

This post has been edited by ruzaini88: Nov 16 2020, 05:24 PM
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post Nov 17 2020, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(leonardchin @ Nov 16 2020, 08:40 PM)
May I ask for which TV model and how to check if Dobly Atmos is enabled in Netflix app?
Thank you.
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I mean for GX800.
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post Nov 17 2020, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Nov 16 2020, 06:00 PM)
There is no argument here really , I did not come to that verdict out of speculation.

We know that the most important factor to consider for TV's picture quality is the contrast rating , which is the measurement from the brightest part to the darkest part of the screen .
The whole purpose of local dimming was to enhance these aspects . Therefore making the brightest part brighter , darkest part darker , directly contribute to the increase of contrast numbers .
There are 2 types of local dimming system in the TV market right now :

The FALD . In a typical fashion , FALD is able to divide the whole backlight system into multiple zones of lights , darkening selected zones while boost white of the brighter portion.
Which is also why , TV with more zones is usually has much higher contrast ratio when Local Dimming is on .

Obviously the GX800 does not fall into this category so we will stop talking about this .
Moving on , we have the second type of local dimming which is edge-lit , like what you saw on NU8000 .
Due to its nature of being edge-lit , these TV can only improve on boosting the brightness  because it lacks the more advance zones to shelter the backlight completely [ due to it lighting up the pixels from the edge of the screen].
The cons being , when it lights up the screen it usually brighten up the entire column , hence doesn't improve the dynamic range as well as the FALD  .

You are correct in a sense that we already have a great example of it which is the NU8000 .
Being an edge-lit local dimming TV , it is able to shoot past 800 nits . That is a whole lot of headroom for HDR compare to GX800 .
If we go by your logic , the GX800 should belong to this category assuming it does really has a local dimming .

Now back to the question , where is the benefit of having this type of local dimming system ?
The sole advantage of being an edge-lit L.D is you still get a pretty good boost on the luminance like the NU8000.

Merely having a peak brightness of 300 cd/m2 , the sole benefit of edge-lit Local Dimming is almost non-existent . It is definitely not an FALD therefore the enhancement of having deeper black levels have vanished as well .
It doesn't boost its white or black levels , therefore bringing nothing on the table on the perspective of picture quality .

To be fair the TV is still fairly decent for having WCG and good accuracy OOTB but those benefits has nothing to do with its local dimming system .
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The same exact Malaysian GX800 is in Germany as well. (IPS, edge lit)
https://www.panasonic.com/de/consumer/flach...x-55gxw904.html

I have seen some measurement number of this TV before, for HDR it goes nearly 570nits.
Review 1 : https://www.chip.de/test/panasonic-tx-55gxw...-im-test_116241
Review 2: https://www.panasonic.com/de/consumer/flach...x-55gxw904.html

End of the day it is all about user experience. I like GX800 PQ way more better than NU8000. Most of my family members agree too.
As an IPS tv it looks teribble in dark room..thats all

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post Nov 18 2020, 01:16 AM

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Panasonic Android TV in Malaysia looks like ODM models from other vendor...most probably Skyworth!
Think twice before u get a Panasonic android TV

 

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