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Alan Yee
post Nov 2 2015, 04:08 PM

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Hi all, I have use the Panasonic P50VT20K 50" plasma TV for 4 years.
No complain on the PQ.

I did get a replacement on the faulty unit, 3 months later due to a defect on TV where strange line is seen on TV.
After the replacement, this TV just so good to watch.

Two years back planned to upgrade to P65ST50K 65" plasma TV, which sold for just RM5999, but let go the deal, since the 50" plasma still very ok.

Then 2 weeks ago, saw a LG OLED 55" Full HD Curved TV sold for RM7999 at one shop.
Tempting on the OLED, never interested in 4K TV.

Normally I hook up Bluray Home Theater for watching movie and listen to music from music video stream from DLNA.


Alan Yee
post Nov 2 2015, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(g88 @ Nov 2 2015, 04:18 PM)
stay with plasma. u will find 4k or oled too bright n vivid...colour fake to u
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Haha.... actually the OLED is still very new, and the TV is CURVED.
Not much interested in curved tv also.
But the OLED black is black, the color can further improved though.

Regarding the brightness, I do own a very cheap LED LCD TV, and I turn down the brightness to just 25%.
Only thing bugs me is they never look more natural than a good plasma. Viewing angle is also a problem too.

Alan Yee
post Nov 2 2015, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(g88 @ Nov 2 2015, 04:59 PM)
regardless you turn the brightness to x% its the backlight technology and also colour production. urs call for 4K or OLED.
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This is easy, I will choose OLED over the 4K LCD anytime.

As one online TV reviewer said, 4K LCD is just an old type tyre with minor upgrade.
OLED is a totally brand new type tyre.

Waiting for OLED TV become more common and come down in price.

Alan Yee
post Nov 5 2015, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(TBMonline @ Nov 5 2015, 10:08 AM)
are you refer to this model?

http://www.lg.com/my/tvs/lg-55EC930T
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Yes, should be this model.
Alan Yee
post Nov 6 2015, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(playxboxwii @ Nov 3 2015, 08:37 AM)
Im using panasonic tv but im not sure what the model is..can i check it by using the tv?

I cant seem to find the 4th hdmi slot
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Your TV comes with the paper manual right?
Read through the manual will find the 4th HDMI.
Alan Yee
post Nov 6 2015, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Nov 5 2015, 12:10 PM)
In digital world, it is either 1 or 0, so I believe it would not make much different if you use Monster or cheap cable as long as it meets the HDMI spec requirement needed by the device  smile.gif

Either picture is sharp or soft, I think is is more on the default setting by manufacturer. Many manufacturers of cheap phone (for example) just increase the contrast to default setting to make picture look sharp. However, sharpness does not necessarily means better than the softer image in term of picture quality. It may have lost some detail.

No need to debate much on default setting. If you can adjust the setting to your preference, then it is ok. Otherwise, choose the one that you prefer  biggrin.gif
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Agree, all HDMI cable is the same. Just bought a cheap 5 meter HDMI cable for RM35, can run all stuff, including 3D without issue.

For the sharpness, every TV has a setting to adjust sharpness. Normally I just let the setting to 0, and 0 is the actual pixel to pixel mapping.
This can be verified by connecting computer or laptop, and view the text for comparison.
Normally I open up web browsing. The text on website address is the one to verify.

At 0, the text will look normal. By increasing sharpness, the text will look fuzzy, some pixel just become missing.
Then, by decreasing sharpness, below 0, negative, the text become fatter and fatter.
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post Nov 6 2015, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(g88 @ Nov 6 2015, 12:28 PM)
if your eyes is not picky and not concerning about image quality YES ALL HDMI is same...else there are different.

When signal is poor, image distorted, in tv setting won't help much
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I don't want to argue much here.
There is a website comparing on all kind of HDMI cable, and claimed that all HDMI cable, cheapest and most expensive, all coming out with the same result.
HDMI only work, or totally cannot work, because it is digital, means it is only 2 state, got picture, or no picture.
That website also using a cheap non-certified HDMI cable to test for 4K TV too, and end out can work without any issue.
Alan Yee
post Nov 7 2015, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Nov 7 2015, 08:44 AM)
Buy new lar, not that expensive for basic functions icon_rolleyes.gif
When we are talking about digital signals, cables won't really matters. But for analogue signals, cables does matters since using gold and copper have difference whistling.gif
I borrow a rm500 HDMI cable and a rm20 cheapo HDMI cable, it does not show me any difference in terms of video quality.
Sometimes I will follow what shoppers doing, using 720 video on cheapo cable and 1080 for expensive cable, just for the sake of cheating or misleading whistling.gif
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Actually shopper even worse, they use just composite cable for 720p video, that's why they look bad.
Actually 720p video when hook up with HDMI, they looks very good, very close to 1080p until very hard to differentiate. I am talking on Bluray 720p. DVD actually contain much less detail.

Alan Yee
post Nov 19 2015, 09:40 AM

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Finally got a chance to view side by side between LG Oled 55" and LG 4K 55", running a 1080p content.

No doubt, the OLED TV hands down is much better than the 4K.
Detail wise, even a good demo disc is played, the detail level of the OLED is much more pronounce, due to much higher contrast, and much saturated color, but this is unnatural. The OLED screen virtually don't has any reflection, despite the store's very bright lights, and real deep black is guarantee.

Stand around 4 to 5 feet away, virtually no pixel can be seem, both screen look as sharp, less than 3 feet, you can start seeing the OLED TV look a bit fuzzy, the 4K will remain smooth, but sharpness still the same, just that the 4K pixel filling over the gap between pixel, until you can't notice any pixel, even stand close up to few inch away also hardly notice the pixel, but rarely stand so close to watch TV.

Just hope more OLED TV could be release for next year, probably Panasonic could have sold their very 1st OLED TV by next year.
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post Nov 19 2015, 12:04 PM

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The lighting on both screen is ok for my eye.
The OLED screen I see here is brighter than the 4K TV, so brightness is not an issue, since they want to attract customer, they simply just push the higher brightness.
But those can be adjusted to our liking.

No need bring own movie for testing, just buy it by referring online reviews.
The review did complain on the sub par video processing and inaccurate colors renderring, then also dislike the curve screen distortion.
But at least, it is ranked among the top 10 best TV you can buy, in term of picture quality.

I remember when I buy my 1st Full HD TV, the Panasonic plasma, I buy it without any demo test and any second though, just buy it when it's price drop drastically until 20% from the original price, because I know Plasma will never look good enough at store compare side by side to LED LCD.


Same story happen again when I buy a Cinavia free Bluray player, they connect to a cheap LCD TV with composite video. I don't care again, they purposely do this to make the picture bad, and just bring up movie and media for testing the Cinavia problem.
Also buy it after verify it is Cinavia free.

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Alan Yee
post Nov 26 2015, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(fourzee @ Nov 25 2015, 10:48 PM)
My Panasonic 42 inch plasma tv suffered failure to HDMI inputs few days ago. Bought it in 2011. The panel still good, seldom used becoz bedroom unit. Cost nearly Rm 400 to change the electronic circuit board with all the inputs attached to it. The technician from Panasonic service, he came opened up the back panel, replace the board ..that's it. He told me cant repair becoz all digital just replace. he also informed the latest models of Led TVs all suffer from poor quality and high failure rates ..Even new stocks have high numbers of failed units in warehouse. My Samsung 50' plasma even worst ..just end warranty ..bought last year ..first one vertical line appeared then few days later another line ...very poor quality..
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Touch wood, my Panasonic Plasma also has vertical line before.
Ask for changing the TV because TV still under warranty. (That time Panasonic offer 3 year warranty, and can purchase for 2 more year warranty)

It took me month to phone them and urge them to replace my TV, and they finally change it after 1 month.
Now the replaced TV is working without any issue.


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post Nov 30 2015, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(fourzee @ Nov 30 2015, 11:10 AM)
That's why these manufacturer offers extended warranty ..because they know QC problem and new TV can fail of defect after slightly over 1 year. The repairer inform even new stock got lots of defects items and have to return to manufacturer..
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Now all TV should be just 1 or 2 year warranty.
Due to cost margin, they keep all manufacturing process in low cost, skipping the QC, using cheaper part.

Every electronic product has quality issue, even the pricier product can breakdown easily too.
Some recommend to pay around RM100 for extra years warranty, one to one replacement or repair without any cost.

It won't settle the quality issue, but at least is covered.
Alan Yee
post Dec 1 2015, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(Zelmel @ Nov 29 2015, 10:07 AM)
If I live in condo and I have Panasonic tv with DVB T2 built in. Can I watch digital TV and use indoor antenna? I staying in seksyen 16. PJ
I bought TH43C410K. Thinking of testing DVB TV
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This one on promotion with RM999 only at Senheng or SenQ.
I don't think you able to watch digital TV, because no actual service provider in Malaysia.
Alan Yee
post Dec 1 2015, 09:22 PM

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Finally, today I bring my own Bluray Disc to the electrical store to test the Samsung 4K TV, and quantum dot Samsung SUHD 4K TV. There is a cheap 48" Full HD TV beside. The 4K TV is of 65", 60", and 55".

After comparing those high end and non high end TV, here's my thought:

1. 4K up-scaling is just a gimmick.
- The level of detail just look the same among the high end and non high end 4K TV, and also look the same on the 1080p TV.
- When load in the same material, they all look the same.

2. Motion Interpolation / 120Hz / 240Hz just look bad, even the Samsung SUHD 4K TV has mediocre processing.
- I don't turn on this feature on all of my TV that I buy, but these high end TV look worse than my 5 year old Plasma TV with motion interpolation turn on.
- Artifact is seen every where.
- I turn off all the motion interpolation on those TV hanging on the wall, then comes the next problem. (motion blur)

3. Everything that feel bad on LED LCD TV
- I have a relatively cheap 40" LED LCD TV, which I complain on the bad motion blur, bad picture noise handling, and poor viewing angle, these high end TV just look the same. I particularly picky on the motion blur caused by LCD, and all LCD TV at the wall exhibit the same behavior. I thought as those are movie blurring or motion judder, so I set the Bluray Player to output in 24p mode, the motion blur is still there. Judder and blur are so much pronounce on 4K TV.

Conclusion, plasma TV is still the best TV around.
Every LCD TV just look almost the same, no matter how they claim how high end they are.
This is verified when all are input with the same Bluray source.





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post Dec 1 2015, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Dec 1 2015, 10:32 PM)
lcd need 60hz conversion badly. playstation processor can solve it.

so far im still stay with st50 plasma
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It depend on the source, when the source is native 60i (30p) or 60p, the blur effect is reduced.
When watching film based content, like all the Bluray Disc, which output native 24p, or so called conversion to 60p (3:2) pull down by the player itself, the blur is not reduced much.

For normal viewing, people may get used to that kind of blur, but when compared to plasma TV, simply these become a nightmare.
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post Dec 3 2015, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Dec 3 2015, 08:54 AM)
Try your disc on the Oled tvs, you'll get better results. Character of Oled is similar to plasma with improvements on contrast,  it's how plasmas meant to evolve.

The only led tv that is quite close to Oled or plasma are the new Sharp 4k tvs. Somehow they manage to make it similar to plasma character. In fact the colours without any calibration look better on the Sharp.
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Well, it is not just the contrast that matter, but motion too.
OLED TV may drop to the price similar to 4K LCD TV, that something people can afford, and slowly replacing LCD market.
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post Dec 3 2015, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(neo_lam @ Dec 3 2015, 05:25 PM)
this is something i worried alot....i worry my pana plasma died someday but nothing can replace it with such image quality.....i heard either pana own 4k LED or LG OLED can reach plasma level....i hope the plasma dont die so soon..
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QUOTE(g88 @ Dec 3 2015, 05:45 PM)
As plasma user we always pray hard...Harvey offer 5 Years warranty and replacement if beyond repair....will it be based on your original purchase price, screen size or feature ?
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QUOTE(neo_lam @ Dec 3 2015, 05:56 PM)
wow not bad Harvey....i bought from panashop in SS15....i also forgot what warranty they give me.....very difficult for me to find it....i think now should be all out of stock....
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Every brand LED LCD behave almost the same. They may able to improve the contrast with Local Dimming LED, but still fall short on motion blur handling. Their only approach is engaging the motion interpolation to eliminate the blur, but this make the picture so unnatural. It is still ok to watch movie with less action, but you will see the different when watching heavy action movie.

And for the warranty of 5 year, if they can't repair it, they will force you to get an LCD TV as their replacement model, because no more new Plasma TV, no new model in the market.

So, really only can pray our TV don't died some day.

Alan Yee
post Jan 20 2016, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(IriAh_LuZ @ Jan 16 2016, 07:11 PM)
I contacted Panasonic Customer Care Center via email early this week. This is the one-liner response:

"We noted the contents of your email.Please be informed that currently Panasonic TV does not support Netflix Application."

I know what's going on in your mind. The response is so weirdly worded that if were to reply asking for clarification, it will go back and forth with no end insight. I feel like escalation to a high level is needed than corresponding to the CC person.
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I give up my 6 years old Panasonic P50VT20K plasma long ago for its smart and streaming feature.
Now I mostly rely on Bluray and H264 video file for highest possible quality playback.
I stream video via DLNA to Bluray player, then output to the TV.
Alan Yee
post Jul 14 2016, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(RalphRatedR @ Jun 3 2016, 10:47 PM)
guys, I own a TH-L32C58K since 2012 & I love it wub.gif
but it's quite weird - everytime when I  play 1080p games TV said it's running at 1080p (I pressed info button on the remote) - it's only 720p FFS!
is this a glitch or wat?
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Using PS3, PS4, Xbox One?
Signal can be easily set to 1080p, but the console that render it may not.

So, your TV really is receiving 1080p signal, but the game itself is not.
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QUOTE(slackinux @ Jun 13 2016, 09:54 AM)
Panasonic TV USD Media Player won't be able to recognize SRT subtitles even though both movie and subtitle files are renamed to same filename.
I tested with latest 40D400 series TV using my external HDD.
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Recommend buying a cheap Bluray player or Media Player will solve these issue, of course between the 2, Bluray player is much more worth than a Media Player, as Bluray player actually are much more stable, and play ability also much higher, and pricing can be cheaper too.

Yes, fork out extra money buying these may be redundant as the TV should able to play these file and SRT stuff without issue, but standalone players playback is much better than those TV built in playback codec.

But, if you are talking on SRT stuff, my Bluray player actually can played those subtitle that is embedded into the MKV file without issue, even running on DLNA stream video from my PC.
But, I need to embed these SRT file into the MKV myself 1st before able to play correctly.
The MKV remux software also can pre-select the font type of the SRT to further solving character decoding issue, especially the UNICODE Chinese character.

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