Couples? I have friends who take these sort of photos casually and they're not even couples.

Not everyone regards close contact as a 'couple only' behaviour, although I suppose this is a little more common among Chinese and Indians compared to Malays.

Its a matter of who is being more practical.

Songlap affects us all. Its our country's money.

What's it to you that two people are taking photos together? You butthurt foreveralone.jpg ke?

I really am not interested in the personal lives of our politicians, Opposition OR BN, unless it involves songlap or corruption. Simple as that. I take a dim view of people who are actually interested as well. Fucuking morons. Its like paying attention to celebrities when they're just trying to lead normal lives outside of movies/tv/music etc. For fucuk's sake, let others get on with their lives already.

Well, I don't give a fucuk as long as they do their jobs properly. Outside of their jobs, the can sleep with prostitutes, gamble, berfoya-foya also I don't give a fucuk as long as it doesn't affect their ability to do their jobs properly.

Being practical about it, because some people really are like that in real life. Damn good at their jobs, but outside of it they let their hair down. I'd rather have that type of people in charge than those who are straight-laced but are equally as stiff in their jobs. Ugh...

You also need to understand that some people have different perceptions of what is 'wrongdoing'.

You, obviously, seem to think that those photos are wrong. I, on the other hand, just don't see it as a problem and don't even consider it a wrongdoing in any way.

That is why a good deal of us will shrug off the photo incident but slam BN on songlap.

More like my moral concept is to mind my own business instead of poking my nose into other people's private affairs.

There's nothing that I despise more than moral police and I'm not alone in this sentiment.

Catch them in bed having sex first.

I have spent enough time overseas to not see this as an issue. What's a cuddle and a kiss? I have been hugged and kissed by married women before and its not like it meant anything aside from being friendly. Also, like I mentioned earlier in this post, I have friends who take photos like that fairly often. I know a girl who takes photos like this with her guy friends and the boyfriend doesn't see it as an issue. People who read too much into such photos are just being conservative sticks-in-the-mud.

Based just on the photos on the front page, nope...I see nothing wrong. Haven't paid enough attention to the read of this thread to see if there are any more which goes beyond.

Also, I am rather surprised to see Malays making a fuss. I thought polygamy is allowed?

Not at all. IMHO, Moral police are scum and this opinion will never change.

At the end of the day, for me such things are private affairs and not something that I give a fucuk about. If it does happen to me...well, than it happens to me but everyone else can mind their own business too. If my was taking photos with other people, its for me to sort out and everyone else can stop discussing it online thank you very much.

Proof of songlap is in AG's report. Proof of songlap is in all those direct tenders awarded to a company owned by a crony instead of open bidding who than proceeds to subcontract to someone else to do the job. We just joke about Losmah's ring and bags, but when I am actually concerned about is her flying here and there on so-called official business when she is merely a PM's wife. That ring and bag, maybe she menabung, but the chartered flights? Yeah...totally her own money. No first lady anywhere else does that sort of nonsense.

I just don't see those photos as a problem from a personal viewpoint. From a larger viewpoint, I've also said that my greater concern has always been whether or not its done on taxpayer dime.

If you're going to join the discussion, at least cite me so I can respond.

What makes you think I support the moral policing of PAS either? I totally don't. Pisses me off, but its not like UMNO isn't guilty of moral policing either.

I've also said I dunno how many times. I'm not voting for PR because I support them. I am voting AGAINST BN because I can't stand a govt that does a shitty job. I will always vote for the opposition until we get a govt that doesn't suck. This means if should ever PR take power and suck at their jobs, I will vote for the other side too.

Kepala bana lu to you too.

I view these photos on the same level as people who read DailyMail, National Enquirer, Utusan, etc. Do you have nothing else better in life to take an interest in?

I don't see it as a premarital affair either? It takes a heck of a lot to faze me.

Deviate my backside. You are the one deviating here. For what you bring in the cincin in the first place? I didn't raise it, so why did you bring it up? I didn't say her ring is a problem, so for what you defend her ring?

Well, no need sex but let me know when you spot their tongues in each other's mouth. For me, a kiss is merely a friendly gesture...BUT...like I also admitted as much earlier already...I do find it a little unusual with Malays who are usually more conservative.

Ok than, let's leave out that part about Rosmah.

Maybe romance, maybe not. I admit there is a possibility they could be attracted to each other but its still none of my business.

I'm not Muslim, so I don't see it in the same way. This is what I mean by having differing viewpoints. We have different perspective on things. It doesn't mean we're necessarily wrong.

Let me make this clear first: I do NOT think it is wrong for you to see this issue as a problem. I do think that people should mind their own business but I understand if you are concerned about it such matters. Nevertheless, its not exactly wrong for people like me to be totally unfazed about it either.

I take a dim view of moral police, but I am aware that more conservative folks don't exactly like us free spirit types either.

Agree to disagree, OK?

That has no bearing either to me either. Until BN understands this, I suspect they will never win back the popular vote.

A good number of us aren't voting for PR. We are voting against BN. Keep that in mind.

Here's the primary reason why I don't give a fucuk about the photos or Anwar's liwat incident or whatever. I am sick and tired of guttural politics. Its all just so damn STUPID. Focus on how the country is being run instead. I don't want to hear about how DAP is lying, how PAS is pushing hudud, all that nonsense. I only want to hear about what BN is doing to run this country properly. Its BN's own performance that I am interested in. That alone, and that only. It doesn't matter if the other side is lying too. What matters is whether or not BN is honest, because they're the ones currently in charge of the country.

All I hear from BN are excuses, lies, and relentless opposition bashing.

I hold the government of the day responsible for all issues currently affecting the country although some leeway will be allowed if the problems were caused by the previous administration (but BN has no such excuse as they have always been in power). You fucuk up, I vote for the other side. Simple as that. I don't care if the other side are a bunch of monkeys. They will still get my vote because I do not think you deserve mine. I would rather throw my vote away in disgust but unfortunately that just hands victory over to the incumbent.

That is my how I decide who to vote for. Everything else is irrelevant, which is why BN can stop trying to make all these stupid personal attacks and bashing the opposition already. Focus on your own performance first. Nothing else matters to me.

And you are taking things way too far. Are either of those 2 going to be our PM? We don't even know yet and you're already acting like they will be in charge of our country some day.

Also, I believe I have also said already. I know people whose private lives are a mess but they are damn good in their jobs. That is good enough for me, and I actually prefer such to the goody-two shoe types who are mediocre at their jobs.

I will always evaluate by performance first. You only know how to say 'what's stopping him' but you have no proof that he will. Also, he's not PM yet you are acting like he embezzled state funds already.

Ironic, considering this whole photo incident smells like BN trying to divert attention away from how they are sucking at their jobs in the first place.

How's his performance as a MP? That is my greater concern. I also grant greater leeway to opposition MPs because this country doesn't seem to understand how to be indiscriminate unlike European Parliaments. MPs with federal support have no excuse for under-performing.

Yup, I am saying that I don't give a fucuk about personal affairs as long as they do their jobs properly. I thought I made that position clear already from the beginning?

You say what's stopping them from betraying? I'm saying based on what can you accuse him of shirking his responsibilities?

You seem to think I'm blindly just supporting PR but I turn a blind eye to BN scandals. Fact is while I joke about Chua Soi Lek being caught in a sex tape, I don't evaluate his performance based on that either. Its irrelevant to me. What's relevant is that he only ada telur in the video but not in Parliament. Meh...

What deviate? More like you have not been paying attention. How many times do I have to repeat myself?

How many times have I already said that I only care about their actual job performance, and that everything else is none of my business?

Go back and look in all my previous posts and you'll notice that I have been saying this very very consistently.

Ok, if he fails as a MP that's one thing for his constituents to evaluate. Also none of my business cos I'm not in his district.

Moral as Muslim, I don't care because I'm not a Muslim.

See why I say all these 'scandals' really are irrelevant to a good many of us?

Now you go inserting 'what really matters' into this. This is where we are never going to agree. For me, what matters is their performance on the job. Who am I, and by what right do I have, to evaluate his performance as a husband? I'm not his wife.

The Chinese have a saying...'kong si kong pan'. Means work is work. Stay professional on the job and keep your private life out of it.

Hang on though, based on what do you say his performance as a MP sucks? I can also say you suck but I have no proof.

How's he worse than...err...say...Bung Mokhtar?

OK, and there you go...you have my answer.

Here it is once again to be clear: I hold the view that a politician's private life is none of my business. Its their on-the-job performance that matters to me.

This is especially true of Opposition politicians, since they're not the ones running the country. I will hold BN to higher standards because they hold Federal Power.

Satisfied?

Wow, that job evaluation pretty much applies to I don't know how many other MPs out there from both sides.

Also, define 'nothing'. What has Bung Mokhtar done aside from being a constant source of embarrassment to this country?

Are you aware that MPs are also supposed to be concerned with national level affairs only? They are representing you on a federal level. MPs are supposed to be lawmakers. Its your Adun who is supposed to look after the issues in your locality with the MP only stepping if the issue goes beyond the Adun's jurisdiction.

Take Chew Mei Fun for example. I acknowledge that she's hardworking and honest. I also rate her performance as MP as 'nothing'. Why? Because she keeps mostly silent on national affairs. I don't want a yes-man representing me in Parliament. Tony Pua hasn't done as much for PJU as CMF. That's fine with me, because he always has something critical to say in Parliament and that's important.