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post Sep 8 2016, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(266K @ Sep 8 2016, 02:32 PM)
wanna ask sifu, at current economic situation, is it better to buy property fr big player rather than small time developer? is it true now most small developers get financial support fr bank before begin construction even not all units are sold?
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well, all developer do that including big developer. if company capable to get loan, why not? coz example u have 100mil cash. this is sufficient to build 1 high end condo. but why not u borrow another 1 billion to build 11 high end condo? biggrin.gif
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Suppose I bought a shop for $x 5 years ago. For reconstruction insurance:
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how much should I insure the shop for this year?
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how can I best estimate the insured value for subsequent years? Pro-rate it to some building index?

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QUOTE(iwubpreve @ Sep 8 2016, 10:19 PM)
well, all developer do that including big developer. if company capable to get loan, why not? coz example u have 100mil cash. this is sufficient to build 1 high end condo. but why not u borrow another 1 billion to build 11 high end condo? biggrin.gif
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thx sifu for explaining.. so now days housing project abandon half way, possibility shud be zero? many years ago many projects were stopped half way, why so?

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post Sep 14 2016, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(266K @ Sep 14 2016, 11:06 AM)
thx sifu for explaining.. so now days housing project abandon half way, possibility shud be zero?  many years ago many projects were stopped half way, why so?
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still possible now. reason is because the developer no money to finance the job. say this project building cost 100mil and it have 200 units with 600k each unit which can sell 120 million. usually when certain amount of unit sold then they will start the project. say at the middle of project progressively it hit 50 million (progress 50%) while sales only hit 70 million, bank will release 70 million times progress 50% which is 35 million. if developer no cash then gg already. no money finance and need to declare insolvency. simple explanation.
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QUOTE(iwubpreve @ Sep 14 2016, 11:47 AM)
still possible now. reason is because the developer no money to finance the job. say this project building cost 100mil and it have 200 units with 600k each unit which can sell 120 million. usually when certain amount of unit sold then they will start the project. say at the middle of project progressively it hit 50 million (progress 50%) while sales only hit 70 million, bank will release 70 million times progress 50% which is 35 million. if developer no cash then gg already. no money finance and need to declare insolvency. simple explanation.
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that's why I asked if developer got support from bank to finish thier project if need arises fr ur example given.

If I am bank(s), developer come to me to borrow money for his project...I say ok u must sell this % unit before I support u to start building...sure dev wont start building if sell less than certain %...after hit target construction begin...those are most critical time when bank support needed most......if calculate correctly when sales target hit, dev shud not run out of money right...with bank support.?
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QUOTE(266K @ Sep 14 2016, 05:29 PM)
that's why I asked if developer got support from bank to finish thier project if need arises fr ur example given.

If I am bank(s), developer come to me to borrow money for his project...I say ok u must sell this % unit before I support u to start building...sure dev wont start building if sell less than certain %...after hit target construction begin...those are most critical time when bank support needed most......if calculate correctly when sales target hit, dev shud not run out of money right...with bank support.?
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bank will not support developer. bank pay developer because the purchaser borrow money from bank for the unit they purchase. bank just release the money purchaser borrow to developer base on the progress % certified by architect.

so if fully sold then developer shouldn't have any issue. unless they have design issue, need to redesign and redo then that is other issue. cost overrun.
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QUOTE(iwubpreve @ Sep 14 2016, 05:40 PM)
bank will not support developer. bank pay developer because the purchaser borrow money from bank for the unit they purchase. bank just release the money purchaser borrow to developer base on the progress % certified by architect.

so if fully sold then developer shouldn't have any issue. unless they have design issue, need to redesign and redo then that is other issue. cost overrun.
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K, thx for ur explanation. U see I paid a booking fee for a low dense condo which is building in progress. It is a bumi rel unit, I no need to sign spa yet only after 80% completion then they will apply for conversion n spa follow. It is small time developer, first time building condo. I was attracted by the red clay bricks used in construction. To not cost overrun why they using red bricks?, brochure pun mentioned cement brick only.. luckily building is almost completed at roof now, 17 floors total. 144 units some 90+% sold, not sure true or not. I oso ask bro n sis consider buying but not sure if this is right decision bcos what if project stop next year I ll kena blame..
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post Sep 15 2016, 07:35 AM

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QUOTE(266K @ Sep 14 2016, 07:52 PM)
K, thx for ur explanation. U see I paid a booking fee for a low dense condo which is building in progress. It is a bumi rel unit, I no need to sign spa yet only after 80% completion then they will apply for conversion n spa follow. It is small time developer, first time building condo. I was attracted by the red clay bricks used in construction. To not cost overrun why they using red bricks?, brochure pun mentioned cement brick only.. luckily building is almost completed at roof now, 17 floors total. 144 units some 90+% sold, not sure true or not. I oso ask bro n sis consider buying but not sure if this is right decision bcos what if project stop next year I ll kena blame..
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that's good deal I guess. well, this can't be blame. cOz nobody can predict the future. u can't guaranty ur next iPhone 7 won't explode what sweat.gif


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post Sep 22 2016, 08:36 AM

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nowadays there are software available in market to build up a model for costing only. the software can measure in very high accuracy and it ensure that a contractor can tender for the project accurately without worry abt over pricing (not competitive price and hence cannot get the project) or underpricing (rugi when get the job)

those software can set the rule like here in malaysia use SMM2 so can price that in a correct standard manner.

some software like Glodon cost quite a lot. maybe abt 100k for a year subscription sweat.gif

any other alternative?
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post Sep 23 2016, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(iwubpreve @ Sep 14 2016, 05:40 PM)
bank will not support developer. bank pay developer because the purchaser borrow money from bank for the unit they purchase. bank just release the money purchaser borrow to developer base on the progress % certified by architect.
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You are talking about end financing above.

But aside from end financing, don't banks provide project financing to developers also?
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post Sep 23 2016, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(kengyan @ Aug 23 2016, 09:13 AM)
Yup, developer's QC make a lot of difference.
And, the bigger the developer is, lower quality materials they will be using. QC sometimes also not up to standard.
A developer will only start a project when they can use rm1000 to make rm20000, as part of the money have to channel to government and MO*****.
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QUOTE(kengyan @ Aug 23 2016, 12:16 PM)
Well, if you are under the construction line or know the right person, you will know how much profit they can make.
Not to mention big developers does not sell properties, they only speculates the price.
Like diesel price went up, curing time for red bricks were 1 hour, they reduce it to 5 minutes, at the end, price of bricks went up but quality drops.
Cement price went up? No problem, they will prefab the walls, which reduce manpower significantly.
Roof tiles also same, using industrial zinc, 5 days complete few rows compare to using roof tiles, 5 days 1 house.
"Big" developers can "run" away as out of 10 properties being sold, only 1-2 are real buyers buying for own stay.
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You're talking out of partial ignorance.

Where got developer "will only start a project when they can use rm1000 to make rm20000"? That kind of profit ratio does not apply.

What are you talking about curing time for bricks? Curing time is for cement, for bricks you need to refer to firing time. And even if diesel price goes up, the brick maker won't reduce from 1 hour to 5 minutes. That is pure exaggeration on your part.

Roof tiles - if your building spec already mentions roof tiles then it's not so easy to just switch to "industrial zinc".
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post Sep 23 2016, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Sep 23 2016, 02:14 PM)
You are talking about end financing above.

But aside from end financing, don't banks provide project financing to developers also?
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nope. bank won't lend money to developer unless developer pledge their asset to bank.

eg developer want money how? they need to charge their land or property to get the loan. bank need security to lend u money.
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post Sep 23 2016, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(iwubpreve @ Aug 22 2016, 04:42 PM)
the years of course can be change. due to some project require longer. therefore when the developer sign SPA with u they will amend it and let u know that this would take more years. so at the end it is abt the agreement between buyer and seller.
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Are you sure the years can be changed? I thought generally all the developers SPA must follow either Schedule G or H of the Act.
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post Sep 23 2016, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(iwubpreve @ Sep 23 2016, 02:25 PM)
nope. bank won't lend money to developer unless developer pledge their asset to bank.

eg developer want money how? they need to charge their land or property to get the loan. bank need security to lend u money.
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Of course the bank must have some collateral. So, if the developer is willing to charge land/property to secure the loan they can get project financing right?
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post Sep 23 2016, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Sep 23 2016, 02:28 PM)
Of course the bank must have some collateral. So, if the developer is willing to charge land/property to secure the loan they can get project financing right?
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depend on the asset value. they can't get 100 million if their asset worth 50 million sweat.gif
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post Sep 23 2016, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Sep 23 2016, 02:26 PM)
Are you sure the years can be changed? I thought generally all the developers SPA must follow either Schedule G or H of the Act.
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amendment can be done. but at the end the buyer need to accepted the amendment also. certain project might need longer duration due to complexity or higher floors sometimes
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post Sep 23 2016, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(iwubpreve @ Sep 23 2016, 02:43 PM)
depend on the asset value. they can't get 100 million if their asset worth 50 million sweat.gif
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Of course la, all the borrowers know that. The bank's lending margin is probably only 50-60% of the asset value.
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post Sep 23 2016, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Sep 23 2016, 04:46 PM)
Of course la, all the borrowers know that. The bank's lending margin is probably only 50-60% of the asset value.
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what I wanna say is developer can get loan from bank. that's just normal corporate loan. nothing to do v project.
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post Sep 23 2016, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(kengyan @ Sep 23 2016, 05:04 PM)
Well, I'm dealing with diesel sales last time, when government refuse to pay subsidies, my company lost about 80% of sales from clay bricks factories. Maybe they have better way to cure the bricks. My uncle that doing constructions and renovations also stopped using clay bricks after that. I'm sure someone is cheating, but I'm sure it is not my previous company's sales figure and my uncle. But I got attacked from revealing this dirty fact. So I think most probably is that attacker trying to hide something.
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clay brick expensive due to fuel cost
cement sand brick cheap

nowadays also have block. light weight block and no plaster require. straight away skim coat. light weight reduce the labor cost too. cost saving biggrin.gif
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post Sep 23 2016, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(kengyan @ Sep 23 2016, 05:16 PM)
Sorry, clay bricks price increase as they want to make more profit.
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got competition. so many supplier out there. so if 1 company wanna make more profit they might end up losing the deal.

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