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post Nov 12 2014, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(Career26 @ Nov 12 2014, 07:52 AM)
Hi there,

Thanks again. Got your message while having my breakfast. Thought I will post part of the brochure snapshot which I had it in my phone. Please refer to the Electrical installation details mentioned.

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Base on your plan, it missing some heater and aircon point. You only have 5 socket point which hall, dining and 3 room each. So it look like normal apartment with 32A DB for main.

If you plan to have aircon, heater, cooker, hood, washing machine etc, somehow you need to hack and add. No choice for you.

So plan ahead how you want your wiring done.
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post Nov 13 2014, 05:33 PM

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From the plan, you still have to tarik a 4mm wire to the kitchen if you want to install a cooker and hob. And a 32A MB. The easy way less hacking is go through the top if you plan to plaster ceiling. Just hack the DB box wall and the cooker place wall to conceal the wire.

Your B/5 2socket probably need for fridge and others. While the B/4 2socket is probably for WM (yard) and you can't share with cooker anymore. Both wire are 2.5mm size.
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post Nov 13 2014, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 13 2014, 06:29 PM)
Isn't a 10mm better?
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What is the cooker wattage TS using?
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post Nov 13 2014, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 13 2014, 07:17 PM)
She haven't decided yet. Still considering between a 2 zone and a 3 zone or 4 zone induction hob at the moment.

But I assume that, cooking hob, hood will need dedicated wiring and if not a built in oven, there is a possibility of a table top microwave or microwave with convectional function in future???
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You only can have hood and hob on the dedicate wiring. Can't have other appliance and share.

Still got 3 wall socket. Use that 3 for other applicance.

4mm size can use max 4800w.
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post Nov 13 2014, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 13 2014, 08:28 PM)
That i know on the no sharing part.

Only thing is.. A 2 zone hob is 4800W while a 3 and 4 zone can be anywhere between 6000-800W for nominal rating.

That's why I ask if 10mm is best although 6mm might be good enough?
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Wow, do you really need that high watt? That freaking high consumption. Using gas cheaper?

6mm is enough.
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post Nov 14 2014, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 13 2014, 11:16 PM)
Bro, you should read back the last few pages.

Career26's shortlisted choices have nominal power connection of 6400-8000W although not confirm on her final choice

Most induction and vitroceramic hobs have high W depending on the no of zones.

Assuming we do not utilize all, maybe 3 out of 4 zones for example... Still will be up to 4000-5000W as an estimate so 4mm can carry all max? Lol that's why asking whether 6mm is enough or 10mm still better?

Gas would be cheaper but there's space constraints in the kitchen and her hob size must be 60cm. Hardly see 60cm gas hobs which is limited. That's why induction hob next alternative.
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If want play safe, 6mm if enough. You can go higher, but wire cost is not cheap. Do some costing and see what best. Decide the wattage cooker than sizing the wire.

I have a 58cm 4 burner gas cooker. A display unit in the kitchen. tongue.gif while using 1800w induction cooker. From experience, I won't go over 3600w for a induction cooker. My meal will be expensive. sweat.gif

Let say a 4500w run for 1/2hr cook each day and only use 1/2mth cooking, the consumption can suck 34kwh/mth. That 34kwh x 0.334= Rm11.3/mth. If full mth cook......

So a gas cooker will be lower cost? How much a gas tank? Installation cheaper? Just some suggestion TS.


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post Nov 14 2014, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 14 2014, 08:36 PM)
For my old hob, it was vertically installed. Looks nicer?. It seems that the wire behind my old hob is either at the side or the top so it depends on which side is it for the switch location.

I show you a pic of my current hob wire at the back.

You see the wire at the back of my hob? It's on the right side at the back, the front right side is where the knobs are. So the location of the switch and dedicated wiring needs to be on the right for me initially. However because the wire is behind the hob, so when install the hob, the wire will have to be fitted with a 15A plug and then plugged into the socket switch underneath the countertop.

It can be quite troublesome if you have to bend down and turn on the switch everyday.. In my case, it was a cocked up problem by the tiling contractor who did my counter top as his workers covered one of the empty socket outlet with one of the leg support. Had to ask my electrician to work out the socket position and wiring issue due to this.

Which is why I said you need to know the location of your hob's wire before deciding on the switch location.

I think you can get them to reserve if new stock confirm to arrive & you put deposit?
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Ask idoblu how to do the switch direct wiring. Place the switch as you like.
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post Nov 14 2014, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 14 2014, 10:38 PM)
Bro, my kitchen countertop is tiled concrete support. Normally there are 2 end leg supports. But mine ended up with 2 extra leg support in the middle and it's 11ft. For some odd reason, the tiling contractor mention that the extra leg supports are better and more stable when we came back from our trip only to find they anyhow do the concrete top! Sian 1/2  sad.gif

But I suspect la the contractor's workers don't have enough experience with doing concrete counter top and some more one of the leg support cover the only available empty embedded outlet below meant for the switch face plate and new wiring. End up having a headache on the wiring as there is one empty outlet just outside the already tiled concrete support, that's why I throw the problem to electrician to help solve. 

My wiring is like this :

15A Switch socket external box inside the countertop  ---> Blank faceplate outside the counter top ---> 32A gang switch above. It's an L shape diagram with a router at the corner.
That's why Career26 got to know where is her hob wiring position so she can decide on the switch position and get thE KC maker to work on it
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I m a bit blur blur from your explanation. Can you draw out or take a picture? Seems like not a problem or difficult thing.
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post Nov 15 2014, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 15 2014, 12:11 AM)
Paiseh, not good at explaining.

Hope my rough drawing helps.

As you can see the bank faceplate is outside the already tiled counter top as the electrician had already put the outlets in the wall for electrical points.

Only the 15A switch socket has external switch box on the wall because original outlet meant for hob's plug was covered by one of the leg support. The electrician had to think of how to put in the wiring for the 15A's switchbox as the obstacle was the tiled concrete support.

So it's better to plan around the switch location for hob and get the KC maker to make provision or else *facepalm*
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So my understanding is you already have the 32a wall switch for the cooker? And already have wiring down to the blank wall socket? Only haven't joint to the 15a switch socket?

Your induction cooker will be using max 3600W since you will plug into the 15a socket.

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post Nov 15 2014, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 15 2014, 05:24 PM)
Ya, I have already joined to the 15A switch socket via the blank switch socket to the 32A switch. The blank switch socket is technically what you call a routing point I suppose?

My vitro ceramic hob has nominal rating of 6000W so the nearest amp is 25 or 26A. The shop where I got my piano switches recommended 32A Gang switch instead of 45A DP switch because 32A can pair with individual 15A switch socket.

But my main point for Career26 is that the only issue is the hob's wiring is behind the hob so need to extend the wire upward to plug into a socket above than underneath the counter top. Mine cannot extend upward because the concrete counter top was done and no way to hack it. This was the only solution the electrician guy did for me.

This is because sometimes communications can be a little skewed between kitchen contractor and owner which is what happened between my tiling contractor and me.
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The hob 6000w suck 25A. But the wall socket switch is 15A? Is that under rate? It going to melt down the socket. sweat.gif

The peino switch doesn't any related to the 15A switch. You just have 2 switch with 15A switch have an exceptional of a socket. Both peino 32A and 45A don't have any different in anything beside the rate. Choosing 45A have a better safety advantage.

From your explain, the blank socket inside suppose is a wire joining terminal? If in this case you may joint in this way.
Provided the hob wire is long enough reach to the blank socket.

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post Nov 16 2014, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 15 2014, 09:20 PM)
No. There is a 15A inside the countertop. The outside is the blank switch. The way I see it, it looks like the blank switch  connects both 15A and 32A. For eg, I need to turn on the 15A, then switch on the 32A gang before I can use the hob.

That uncle from the shop asked me about the 32A and 45A, I explained it was for my electrical hob and he gave me the 32A switch. The electrician even said 32A is enough. The way I see it like this, if 45A DP has added socket switch based on what I saw in catalog, wouldn't the same principle apply to this?

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I understand what you have there. But I saw some problem from your drawing and explain.

Have you realize that you going to plug your powerfull 25A cooker to a 15A socket switch? Did you see that the 15A figure is below the cooker rate of 25A.

Another is the blank switch case. Why can't the wire direct joint to the 15A switch from the 32A switch and must connect inside the blank switch case? So I figure it out that the blank switch case inside must be have a terminal that screw both wire joint together. Or probably a mistake in placing.

Given this 2 case, I draw out the solution. Instead the cooker plug into the 15A switch socket which is under rate, why not joint direct to the blank switch case. That is much safer and no additional cost need. Beside your electrician cost la. But that provided the cooker wire is long enough.

The 32A peino switch is find. Just the 45A switch given you 80% more safe. This 45A model have any different with your 32A switch now? --> http://www.schneider-electric.com/products...ed/60003-pieno/. But don't worry about it. It is find.



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post Nov 17 2014, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(Career26 @ Nov 16 2014, 11:59 PM)
I did not manage to get an electrician during my visit to my unit on Saturday. He did not turn up. sad.gif
However I manage to take photos of the DB as some of you requested earlier.

So for discussion sake, let's say I will be getting the following hood and hob:

1. Hob - Electrolux -http://www.electrolux.com.my/Products/Kitchen/Hobs/Induction_Hobs/EEH353C

2. Hood - Teka - http://www.teka.com/id/products/view/12917-hoods-tl1_62
I will be installing the modular hob horizontally as I mentioned in my previous post.
Now that the DB pics are up (hope they are clear enough for you guys to look at the technical information in order to advice me accordingly.

What do I need to ask the electrician if I want these both to be installed bearing in mind there should not be any nuisance trips?

Thanks.

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Your DB box is not a problem. Can install additional or change the MCB.

What you need to do is decide your fridge, hood and hob or oven model first. Than go to kitchen design to design your kitchen. Once all this is done, you can clearly see where you want to place your switch and light. With the technical data that some forumner here suggest, than you can call the electrician come and quote.


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post Apr 4 2015, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Apr 4 2015, 11:12 PM)
S'aimer ozak

i cant find this switch locally. did you guys bought one before?

http://www.lelong.com.my/e82t15d45n-pieno-...7-01-Sale-I.htm

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Never see before. Can't order? Around tesco, almost all the light shop carried shinider switch. But they don't keep stock. You can get next day.
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post Apr 5 2015, 12:11 AM

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Even I get a simple 2pole Schneider switch also no stock. They need to order and can get it next day. From the light shop around Tesco.
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post Apr 5 2015, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Apr 5 2015, 09:34 AM)
I'm afraid it's not no stock but this item is not available here in Malaysia
Maybe for UK market
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A lot of electrical shop in Puchong jaya. Around the light shop roll and 1 puchong. You might like to try.

Or order online?
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post Apr 5 2015, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Apr 5 2015, 10:32 PM)
takes too long to order now
schneider malaysia dont have so cannot order

i am just gonna get the single 45A switch without any 13A socket
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You can work around it. Get another 13A socket and put together. Branch out the wiring from the 45A switch.
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post Apr 5 2015, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Apr 5 2015, 10:42 PM)
Hmm it would be strange if it is maybe for UK market. I mean, you know the wiring and voltage differences?

So why not check other areas before getting that single 45A switch as the shop I am talking about, is a schnieder dealer I believe.
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It is probably Schneider Malaysia choose not to import this model to here. So if all the dealer get the stock from Schneider Malaysia, the answer is same.

Unless somebody you know can intruduce you to some parallel import dealer.
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post Apr 5 2015, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Apr 5 2015, 10:55 PM)
I don't really need a 13a socket cause this switch will be inside my cabinet. I dunno yet. If it's outside the better but I don't plan on hacking my wall
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For induction? But that would be inconvenient every time on/off the switch inside the cabinet?
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post Apr 5 2015, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Apr 5 2015, 11:23 PM)
Ya induction. Most of the time I will leave it on. Turn on/off at the hob end only. Just for emergency turn off the double pole switch.
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Not a good idea. Induction is electronic sensitive. 2nd, it will consume some power with stanby mode. Switch it off when not in use is better.
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post Apr 6 2015, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Apr 5 2015, 11:44 PM)
Hmmm...on and off I scared faster rosak.
Will see how.....now to find the switch  biggrin.gif
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