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post Oct 14 2014, 12:45 PM, updated 11y ago

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Hi all,

I have recently bought an apartment which has obviously a small kitchen (layout attached). I am looking for hood with a measurement of 2ft (60 cm) and hob at about 60 - 75 cm wide : anything more than this will take up space of my yet to built kitchen cabinet. I found one in Smeg - http://www.smeg.my/product/kset61/ and it costs about RM 1300.

Appreciate some inputs from anyone in a similar situation as I am looking for a smaller hood & hob with a reliable brand reasonably priced.

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post Oct 14 2014, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Oct 14 2014, 02:05 PM)
Hi, thanks so much for the links. Do you use any of these that you have suggested or you supply them? I would like to know roughly how much they cost?

Thanks.
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QUOTE(Career26 @ Oct 14 2014, 12:45 PM)
Hi all,

I have recently bought an apartment which has obviously a small kitchen (layout attached). I am looking for hood with a measurement of 2ft (60 cm) and hob at about 60 - 75 cm wide : anything more than this will take up space of my yet to built kitchen cabinet. I found one in Smeg - http://www.smeg.my/product/kset61/ and it costs about RM 1300.

Appreciate some inputs from anyone in a similar situation as I am looking for a smaller hood & hob with a reliable brand reasonably priced.

Thanks,
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post Oct 14 2014, 02:35 PM

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Where is your location?
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post Oct 14 2014, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(Career26 @ Oct 14 2014, 02:30 PM)
Hi, thanks so much for the links. Do you use any of these that you have suggested or you supply them? I would like to know roughly how much they cost?

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the price is half of SMEG
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post Oct 14 2014, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Oct 14 2014, 02:37 PM)
the price is half of SMEG
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That's brilliant! But what about the quality - appreciate if you could give some input? And yeah, do you supply them?
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QUOTE(Career26 @ Oct 14 2014, 02:40 PM)
That's brilliant! But what about the quality - appreciate if you could give some input? And yeah, do you supply them?
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electrolux and rinnai, i guess the brands are well-known in the market.

SMEG is for the niche market group of people where they want it be unique.

the info of the product is available thru its official website.

60cm hood is rare in the market.

you dont have much choices.


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post Oct 14 2014, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Oct 14 2014, 02:44 PM)
electrolux and rinnai, i guess the brands are well-known in the market.

SMEG is for the niche market group of people where they want it be unique.

the info of the product is available thru its official website.

60cm hood is rare in the market.

you dont have much choices.
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I made a comparison spreadsheet based on the links that you have provided me. I must admit I am not sure what are the factors I should take into account when choosing the hood. Appreciate experts advice here on this.
Thanks so much.


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post Oct 14 2014, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(Career26 @ Oct 14 2014, 05:21 PM)
I made a comparison spreadsheet based on the links that you have provided me. I must admit I am not sure what are the factors I should take into account when choosing the hood. Appreciate experts advice here on this.
Thanks so much.
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first you need to decide if you can install a vented hood. this would be more efficient than recirculating types
recirculating types needs to change charcoal filter.
try to fit in a 900mm hood as this size is more common to find. a 900mm hood matches a 600mm hob better. its only 150mm more on each side.

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post Oct 14 2014, 05:53 PM

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btw that space for your fridge (1550) will not be tall enough for most fridge out there. maybe can get a single door fridge of that size only.

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post Oct 14 2014, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 14 2014, 05:53 PM)
btw that space for your fridge (1550) will not be tall enough for most fridge out there. maybe can get a single door fridge of that size only.
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Found one that I liked with a similar measurement. Panasonic 2 doors. Saw that in an electrical appliances shop in kajang. I have not finalized the measurements though. They are just approx. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Career26 @ Oct 14 2014, 06:15 PM)
Found one that I liked with a similar measurement. Panasonic 2 doors. Saw that in an electrical appliances shop in kajang. I have not finalized the measurements though. They are just approx. smile.gif
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Must remember to have gap at both side, the heat exchange for most fridge are on the side.
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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 14 2014, 06:20 PM)
Must remember to have gap at both side, the heat exchange for most fridge are on the side.
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Thanks for the tips. Will bear this in mind when I scout around for Fridge.
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post Oct 14 2014, 07:16 PM

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I would suggest you "B" because of ventilation type and more powerful suction power.
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post Oct 15 2014, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 14 2014, 05:40 PM)
first you need to decide if you can install a vented hood. this would be more efficient than recirculating types
recirculating types needs to change charcoal filter.
try to fit in a 900mm hood as this size is more common to find. a 900mm hood matches a 600mm hob better. its only 150mm more on each side.
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thanks for your input. if i go for anything wider than 60 cm, I will lose space for kitchen cabinet. So it's either I compromise on the kitchen cabinet space or the hood. Due to lack of storage space (the unit does not come with a store room), and since I don't do much of the asian cooking style - I thought I will maximise the space available for KC and compromise on the size of hood. And I have used 60 cm hood during my stay in Aus few years ago at a rental apartment - worked quite well, I must say. smile.gif
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Oct 14 2014, 07:16 PM)
I would suggest you "B" because of ventilation type and more powerful suction power.
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Thanks, I was considering the same but looks like Electrolux comes with more feature as well.
Still taking time to do some more search and decide.. smile.gif
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post Oct 15 2014, 02:37 PM

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Hi all,

What about gas hobs? Factors that determines my choices will be:

1. Price
2. Aesthetics
3. Quality
4. Size : 70 cm - 75 cm
5. After sales-service

Appreciate your tips and guidance.

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post Oct 15 2014, 04:13 PM

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If you aren't doing asian style cooking as in wok hei, you may consider either induction or vitroceramic as both types have 60cm models.

For gas hobs, the spacing between the hobs will largely depend on the size of wok & other utensils for cooking as some people prefer to fry food and make soup at the same time. If you prefer gas hob and doing light cooking, go for the smallest 2 hob type.
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Oct 15 2014, 04:13 PM)
If you aren't doing asian style cooking as in wok hei, you may consider either induction or vitroceramic as both types have 60cm models.

For gas hobs, the spacing between the hobs will largely depend on the size of wok & other utensils for cooking as some people prefer to fry food and make soup at the same time.  If you prefer gas hob and doing light cooking, go for the smallest 2 hob type.
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Light cooking is my way for sure - may be occcasionaly, fried noodles or fried rice smile.gif! And yes, I am looking at gas hob only - you meant to say 2 burners?
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post Oct 15 2014, 04:22 PM

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Seldom cook then just those normal rm50-200 type will do. Why want to waste money on something you seldom use? Too much money?
Install the hob near to window and you won't need to use hood also.
Hood need to do regular cleaning also, else it won't work.
When you are cooking, you will still have 20-50% of oil and smoke that the hood can educt out.
Back to basic, no need to see all people has then you need to follow.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 15 2014, 04:22 PM)
Seldom cook then just those normal rm50-200 type will do. Why want to waste money on something you seldom use? Too much money?

Install the hob near to window and you won't need to use hood also.
Hood need to do regular cleaning also, else it won't work.
When you are cooking, you will still have 20-50% of oil and smoke that the hood can educt out.
Back to basic, no need to see all people has then you need to follow.
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Seldom cook then just those normal rm50-200 type will do. Why want to waste money on something you seldom use? Too much money?


- I feel this is completely an unwanted comment. When it's your own place, you want to give your best without splurging too much but still do it tastefully. I find the forumers here (mostly) are generous with the information they share based on their own experience and provide guidance based on the questions/requirement a person post here in a very polite manner. If you really don't have anything to offer at least don't post such a blunt/cold comment just for the sake of posting.
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Yes 2 burners.

QUOTE(Career26 @ Oct 15 2014, 05:17 PM)
Light cooking is my way for sure - may be occcasionaly, fried noodles or fried rice smile.gif! And yes, I am looking at gas hob only - you meant to say 2 burners?
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QUOTE(Career26 @ Oct 15 2014, 04:33 PM)
- I feel this is completely an unwanted comment. When it's your own place, you want to give your best without splurging too much but still do it tastefully. I find the forumers here (mostly) are generous with the information they share based on their own experience and provide guidance based on the questions/requirement a person post here in a very polite manner. If you really don't have anything to offer at least don't post such a blunt/cold comment just for the sake of posting.
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This is a fact that you can't deny. If you are not going to use it often, why need to buy it?
Better use the money wisely thumbup.gif
Trust me, with current so called tastefully ID, it is not practical at all, wood stuffs exposing to oil/smoke won't last long. And you need to spend extra time on cleaning them. Do you know how hard to clean those oil stains? Treat you as a friend only tell you this. People that want to con/slaughter you sure will say good on hood and hob, because they may able to secure business on you.
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Oct 15 2014, 04:41 PM)
Yes 2 burners.
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yeah, my choices are inclining towards 2 burners - practical, I guess. Thanks for your input.
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QUOTE(Career26 @ Oct 15 2014, 02:37 PM)
Hi all,

What about gas hobs? Factors that determines my choices will be:

1. Price
2. Aesthetics
3. Quality
4. Size : 70 cm - 75 cm
5. After sales-service

Appreciate your tips and guidance.
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Now your hob will be bigger than your hood biggrin.gif
Since you are going for a rinnai hood then you might as well get their hob as well.
http://www.xammax.my/cooking/hobs/gas-hobs?brands=19

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Bro, the smallest gas hob by electrolux is 76cm and it's also 2 burners.
http://m.electrolux.com.my/Products/Kitche...s_Hobs/EHG7322X

Like idoblu mention just now, domino hobs are also small and can buy 2 of them to place side by side. About 30cm per domino hob.

Elelctrolux domino hob is also 30cm.
http://m.electrolux.com.my/Products/Kitche...Hobs/EGG3322NOX

Can try checking out ariston malaysia to see if they have 2 burner gas hob in the size you need?


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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Oct 15 2014, 04:56 PM)
Bro, the smallest gas hob by electrolux is 76cm and it's also 2 burners.
http://m.electrolux.com.my/Products/Kitche...s_Hobs/EHG7322X

Like idoblu mention just now, domino hobs are also small and can buy 2 of them to place side by side. About 30cm per domino hob.

Elelctrolux domino hob is also 30cm.
http://m.electrolux.com.my/Products/Kitche...Hobs/EGG3322NOX

Can try checking out ariston malaysia to see if they have 2 burner gas hob in the size you need?
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I withdrew my post due to the cost of domino hobs biggrin.gif

Nowadays 600 size gas hobs are almost non existence. If TS insist on a 600 hood, then a domino hob might fit nicely but the higher cost... tongue.gif

The hood should be slightly bigger than the hob or at least the same size. I haven't seen one installed the opposite way...yet

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 15 2014, 04:50 PM)
Now your hob will be bigger than your hood  biggrin.gif
Since you are going for a rinnai hood then you might as well get their hob as well.
http://www.xammax.my/cooking/hobs/gas-hobs?brands=19
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With hood - I am restricting to 60 cm so that I can fully utilize the space I allocated for KC.
As for the hob - I am trying to compromise a little bit and the max I could compromise is just 75 cm. I am happy if I can find one with 70 cm that covers all the factors that I mentioned in post. smile.gif

I have not decided the brand for hood, but looks like Rinnai stands a better chance of winning! Do you use Rinnai as well and if yes, how is your experience with it so far? Thanks so much for the tips - every little bit helps me. smile.gif

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Oct 15 2014, 04:56 PM)
Bro, the smallest gas hob by electrolux is 76cm and it's also 2 burners.
http://m.electrolux.com.my/Products/Kitche...s_Hobs/EHG7322X

Like idoblu mention just now, domino hobs are also small and can buy 2 of them to place side by side. About 30cm per domino hob.

Elelctrolux domino hob is also 30cm.
http://m.electrolux.com.my/Products/Kitche...Hobs/EGG3322NOX

Can try checking out ariston malaysia to see if they have 2 burner gas hob in the size you need?
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Oh - thanks for pointing out, Ariston brand. I didn't even think of it. Will do for sure.
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I use rinnai, mine is not the inner burner but the burner is good. My friend use inner burner she like it a lot. Their inner burner are good.
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I had a rinnai hob before. It works well and rinnai is suppose to be good for their gas hobs.

Btw who drew your kitchen for you? Yourself or kitchen place?
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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 15 2014, 05:09 PM)
I use rinnai, mine is not the inner burner but the burner is good. My friend use inner burner she like it a lot. Their inner burner are good.
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Nice. Care to share the model no ? smile.gif
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Bro. I just checked mayer singapore to see their ariston gas hob models.

They have a few gas hobs in 75cm and 1 gas hob with 4 burners in 60cm

http://www.mayer.sg/index.php/products/hob...-05-14-17-00-55

http://www.mayer.sg/index.php/products/hob...5/pc-640-detail

If you can find the model in malaysia and price is cheaper than in singapore, can consider if the price is within budget?
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 15 2014, 05:09 PM)
I had a rinnai hob before. It works well and rinnai is suppose to be good for their gas hobs.

Btw who drew your kitchen for you? Yourself or kitchen place?
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My best friend who designed his existing house & holiday house back in Melbourne. I gave him the floor plan and we brainstormed about my budget, practicality (needs & wants) etc...and came out with a tentative design. Just need to adjust here and there based on the actual site dimensions.
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Oct 15 2014, 05:16 PM)
Bro. I just checked mayer singapore to see their ariston gas hob models.

They have a few gas hobs in 75cm and 1 gas hob with 4 burners in 60cm

http://www.mayer.sg/index.php/products/hob...-05-14-17-00-55

http://www.mayer.sg/index.php/products/hob...5/pc-640-detail

If you can find the model in malaysia and price is cheaper than in singapore, can consider if the price is within budget?
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thumbup.gif Excellent! You are so kind, flooding me with all info! Will go through the links shortly and find out the cost here. Thanks so much - and by the way, I am a lady (noticed you addressing me as bro, couple of times tongue.gif)
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Oops I am sorry about the gender mix up! notworthy.gif A thousand apologies miss!

Do consider fotile as well, they have the 2 burner(round ones) in 73cm sizes. I see many good reviews on fotile so I gave in to a fotile oven myself. One thing to note, if you go for fotile, check zheilwane out for his price or go to homedec fair because there is extended warranty. Not sure if the extended warranty is also for hobs as I got extended warranty for my oven.

http://www.fotile.com.my/product/hob.html

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thumbup.gif Excellent! You are so kind, flooding me with all info! Will go through the links shortly and find out the cost here. Thanks so much - and by the way, I am a lady (noticed you addressing me as bro, couple of times tongue.gif)
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QUOTE(Career26 @ Oct 15 2014, 05:16 PM)
My best friend who designed his existing house & holiday house back in Melbourne. I gave him the floor plan and we brainstormed about my budget, practicality (needs & wants) etc...and came out with a tentative design. Just need to adjust here and there based on the actual site dimensions.
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I dont know how critical is each mm for your space but off hand, i see that the base section where the hob is, is a bit not correct. if you gonna put a 650-750 hob, the base carcass should be around 900 and you get two doors of 450 each. you are only left about 300 - just nice for a pull out bottle/condiments tray. as in the picture now, the hob wont be able to fit because of the framework in the way.

i havent look at the wall section, on how it will align with the base

also to remember to add 20mm on the edges so that the drawers/doors can open.
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 15 2014, 05:31 PM)
I dont know how critical is each mm for your space but off hand, i see that the base section where the hob is, is a bit not correct. if you gonna put a 650-750 hob, the base carcass should be around 900 and you get two doors of 450 each. you are only left about 300 - just nice for a pull out bottle/condiments tray. as in the picture now, the hob wont be able to fit because of the framework in the way.

i havent look at the wall section, on how it will align with the base

also to remember to add 20mm on the edges so that the drawers/doors can open.
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Thanks so much for taking a closer look at the layout plan attached. I actually shared it here to just give an idea about where the hood and hob will be placed. I have met a few KC makers who had visited the site just couple of days ago and have advised me on what's possible and what's not. I will be also getting the final 3D design from the KC makers with actual measurements based on the discussion I had with them. Once I get that one, the attached measurements will become invalid. Also, I will ensure that your points are taken into account in the final design.

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I also had the same problem. Ended up with Teka, 60cm wide, 3 gas burners and 1 hotplate. Used that for 9 years, still doing ok, but only needs some servicing. I paid about RM900 for that. But I sacrificed wall storage by buying 90cm hood with high suction as I do a lot of cooking.
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QUOTE(rfm @ Oct 15 2014, 09:28 PM)
I also had the same problem. Ended up with Teka, 60cm wide, 3 gas burners and 1 hotplate. Used that for 9 years, still doing ok, but only needs some servicing. I paid about RM900 for that. But I sacrificed wall storage by buying 90cm hood with high suction as I do a lot of cooking.
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Hi Rfm,

One of the KC makers did suggest Teka for both hood and hob) but I was a bit skeptic about it as I have not heard much about that brand. Good to hear a positive comments right from the person who does a lot of cooking. I prefer home cooked meals too but will be more of a light cooking and not heavy-asian-type of cooking, So, I reckon 60 cm is good enough for me. Which brand did you go for the hood? - Teka as well? How much did you purchase the hood for?

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Yes, hood is also Teka but I bought separately at Teka warehouse sale. 1200m3/hr for only RM700. I don't have any idea what the retail price was. I really didn't have much choice for the hob then, saw something that I like in a KC showroom. The staff helped me to order something similar after choosing from a catalogue. Interested also on the 60cm hood that can be nicely hidden in the cabinet but suction was too low.

My hob looks almost like this.

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QUOTE(rfm @ Oct 16 2014, 12:10 AM)
Yes, hood is also Teka but I bought separately at Teka warehouse sale. 1200m3/hr for only RM700. I don't have any idea what the retail price was. I really didn't have much choice for the hob then, saw something that I like in a KC showroom. The staff helped me to order something similar after choosing from a catalogue. Interested also on the 60cm hood that can be nicely hidden in the cabinet but suction was too low.

My hob looks almost like this.

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Wow! You are lucky to get that price, for sure! Thanks for highlighting about your choice of brand. I am happy that my choices are increasing, which means I can do more research and make a well-informed decision. Would you mind posting a picture displaying your hood and hob? Thanks in advance.
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Teka is a German company. If you're looking for an upscale option, try Kuppersbusch (also owned by Teka).
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QUOTE(OneMoreDay @ Oct 16 2014, 12:50 AM)
Teka is a German company. If you're looking for an upscale option, try Kuppersbusch (also owned by Teka).
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Thanks - not really looking for an upscale option. So long it covers all or almost the factors I listed in my post, I am happy smile.gif. Have to find out the price and features of Teka to see if it fits into my budget & taste.
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Teka is not bad. Usually European make models have fairly good performance.

Electrolux is not an asian brand but from sweden. Ariston is from Italy if I'm not mistaken and I have used Ariston vitroceramic hob for almost 7 years. Only one time had the fuse blown.

Japan and Korea brand are also good for certain appliances, e.g; washing machine, TV just to name. For cooking hobs and hoods, I have no experience with using Japan brand like Rinnai etc because I have never used cooking hood and usually use electric hob.

To be honest, if you are doing light cooking.. there is no need for a cooking hood because wok hei style has alot of oil splatters, smoke which requires a cooking hood to suck in the smell etc I guess. But you are probably not doing wok hei cooking I assume?

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Teka is not bad. Usually European make models have fairly good performance.

Electrolux is not an asian brand but from sweden. Ariston is from Italy if I'm not mistaken and I have used Ariston vitroceramic hob for almost 7 years. Only one time had the fuse blown.

Japan and Korea brand are also good for certain appliances, e.g; washing machine, TV just to name. For cooking hobs and hoods, I have no experience with using Japan brand like Rinnai etc because I have never used cooking hood and usually use electric hob.

To be honest, if you are doing light cooking.. there is no need for a cooking hood because wok hei style has alot of oil splatters, smoke which requires a cooking hood to suck in the smell etc I guess. But you are probably not doing wok hei cooking I assume?
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Alright - just googled and understood what you meant roughly. No, I wont'. Mine will be more towards fusion of Indian and Western. smile.gif
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Wok hei is a chinese style of cooking using a wok, you can see this in hawker centres where the uncles/aunties fry with a seasoned wok and lots of smoke coming out.

A cooking hood will be suitable for this kind I believe, to suck in the fumes, smells and etc.

If it's indian food. means the smell will be strong as indian food is richly aromatic I guess. I'm not sure if still need cooking hood or not if you have enough ventilation, i.e.; windows at your kitchen


QUOTE(Career26 @ Oct 16 2014, 01:25 PM)
Alright - just googled and understood what you meant roughly. No, I wont'. Mine will be more towards fusion of Indian and Western. smile.gif
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Good stove for Chinese cooking is when you fry vegetables it cook fast yet maintain the crispyness of the texture. This need good stove with strong fire power. When stove does not deliver the heat to the wok, you get soggy vegetable.


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[quote=Career26,Oct 16 2014, 12:28 AM]
Wow! You are lucky to get that price, for sure! Thanks for highlighting about your choice of brand. I am happy that my choices are increasing, which means I can do more research and make a well-informed decision. Would you mind posting a picture displaying your hood and hob? Thanks in advance.
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Need advice. For condo dwellers, do they normally allow drilling hole through wall for kitchen ducting ?
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QUOTE(Career26 @ Oct 16 2014, 12:28 AM)
Wow! You are lucky to get that price, for sure! Thanks for highlighting about your choice of brand. I am happy that my choices are increasing, which means I can do more research and make a well-informed decision. Would you mind posting a picture displaying your hood and hob? Thanks in advance.
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It's not my choice of brand actually, as I got no choice at all biggrin.gif . But I'm very happy with the purchase. The hob is still doing a lot of cooking for the family even after 9 years. At the warehouse sale, I actually grabbed a fridge too, also because I have no choice too. Was looking for 60cm wide fridge, with freezer at the bottom. All that I saw either too big or too small. But I'm not very happy with it as the freezer tend to get frost, but it's working fine. Only one time I had to change the panel board and the compressor.

I have actually dismantled the hob when I moved from my condo to another house. It's no longer together with the hood smile.gif . Sorry got no picture of that.
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I thought condos didn't allow ducted range hoods, only recirculating?
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I have a window in the kitchen with smaller glass panels at the top. I removed one panel, asked the guy who did my grille to design so that I could fit in the ducting. I fixed an exhaust fan and connect it to the ducting. I switch on the fan together with my hood and it works well for me. But the look is ugly. Planned to finally conceal with plaster ceiling but I never did tongue.gif
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I thought condos didn't allow ducted range hoods, only recirculating?
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I have a window in the kitchen with smaller glass panels at the top. I removed one panel,  asked the guy who did my grille to design so that I could fit in the ducting. I fixed an exhaust fan and connect it to the ducting. I switch on the fan together with my hood and it works well for me. But the look is ugly. Planned to finally conceal with plaster ceiling but I never did tongue.gif
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who say cannot? any reason? mine is condo too will be getting a hood with duct. gonna duct it out through a smaller glass window panel at one corner.
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Hi all,

I sort of done shortlisting for my hood. Almost at the final stage of shortlisting for hobs - After an exhaustive search, I finally found that Fisher & Paykel has 2 models of 60 cm gas hobs which I really liked (saw them in their main website ; https://www.fisherpaykel.com/nz/kitchen/coo...ps/CG603DNGGB1/ and https://www.fisherpaykel.com/nz/kitchen/coo...s/CG603DNGGB1/) .... One with 4 burners and the other one has 3.

However these models are not listed in their Asia site. F & P Asia site only carries this model: https://www.fisherpaykel.com/asia/kitchen/c...ps/CG604DWFCX1/

Do you think I can request the model that I like?

Would love to hear from anyone here who have used F & P - quality, price, where to purchase, etc.

Thanks.

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I've used their 411L fridge for almost 7 years and not even once have broken down. Still running to date as far as I know.

To my knowledge F&P is a good brand, from NZ but as to their gas hobs, sorry, never use gas hobs before.

I see that not many people are familiar with F&P brand in Malaysia but in Singapore, it's a recognizable brand. Why don't you drop the F&P Asia an email to enquire about the model you are interested. See what they say? Most of the time, there is a chance that they carry certain models that are not even in listed on their Asia site because sometimes some sites don't list the full range of products they carry.


QUOTE(Career26 @ Oct 19 2014, 09:13 PM)
Hi all,

I sort of done shortlisting for my hood. Almost at the final stage of shortlisting for hobs - After an exhaustive search, I finally found that Fisher & Paykel has 2 models of 60 cm gas hobs which I really liked (saw them in their main website ; https://www.fisherpaykel.com/nz/kitchen/coo...ps/CG603DNGGB1/  and  https://www.fisherpaykel.com/nz/kitchen/coo...s/CG603DNGGB1/) .... One with 4 burners and the other one has 3.

However these models are not listed in their Asia site. F & P Asia site only carries this model: https://www.fisherpaykel.com/asia/kitchen/c...ps/CG604DWFCX1/ 

Do you think I can request the model that I like?

Would love to hear from anyone here who have used F & P - quality, price, where to purchase, etc.

Thanks.
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I've used their 411L fridge for almost 7 years and not even once have broken down. Still running to date as far as I know.

To my knowledge F&P is a good brand, from NZ but as to their gas hobs, sorry, never use gas hobs before.

I see that not many people are familiar with F&P brand in Malaysia but in Singapore, it's a recognizable brand. Why don't you drop the F&P Asia an email to enquire about the model you are interested. See what they say? Most of the time, there is a chance that they carry certain models that are not even in listed on their Asia site because sometimes some sites don't list the full range of products they carry.
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Thanks so much. I am familiar with the brand and I have used the gas hobs during my years in Australia. Happy with the quality. The models I looked at perfectly suits my requirement. I was so excited to find them after an exhaustive search for 60 cm gas hobs on glass. At the same time, I still have my plan B for Rinnai or Electrolux if I can't get hold of F & P. I have taken your suggestion and emailed them this morning. Hoping for a positive reply - everything crossed!

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That's good. smile.gif

If not, you can contact F&P singapore direct. Some forumers here go to singapore to pick up electronics and home stuff that are cheaper than the ones in malaysia.

QUOTE(Career26 @ Oct 20 2014, 10:37 AM)
Thanks so much. I am familiar with the brand and I have used the gas hobs during my years in Australia. Happy with the quality. The models I looked at perfectly suits my requirement. I was so excited to find them after an exhaustive search for 60 cm gas hobs on glass. At the same time, I still have my plan B for Rinnai or Electrolux if I can't get hold of F & P. I have taken your suggestion and emailed them this morning. Hoping for a positive reply - everything crossed!
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More update... Teka Malaysia replied me on the hood few minutes ago. Please click on the link to view the model and the only have this under the 60 cm category:
http://teka.com.my/my/products/view/13039-hoods-tl1_62 and they quoted the price as RM 750.

I have Rinnai, Electrolux and now Teka in my hood shortlist. What do you guys think in terms of price and features? Appreciate your input. Thanks.
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60 cm rangehood : My worry about hood is solved. I am going for either Teka or Rinnai. I have had a look at Teka model at Harvey Norman last week. Price is RM 750.00 and after discount will be RM 639. I feel it's a good deal. I will be checking out Rinnai at their showroom this weekend.


60 cm gas hob on glass : I was excited to find that Fisher & Paykel had exactly what I wanted (Gas hob on glass and IT IS 60 CM!!) However, after enquiring I was told that this model is not available for Malaysian market. sweat.gif sweat.gif
I did find few other brands that have 60 cm hob but their replies were almost the same : Not available for Malaysian market .... Does that mean, nobody in Malaysia use 60 cm gas hob? I did find the vitoceramic ones available in 60 cm but highly priced and doesn't suit my budget. Following are the brands I have scouted for 60 cm gas hob on glass:

1. DeLonghi
2. Teka
3. Rinnai
4. Electrolux
5. Bosch
6. Smeg
7. Ariston
8. Tuscani
9. Fisher & Paykel

I am not sure if I am exhausted of options or if there are other brands that I have not looked at. Appreciate your input here. Most probably my KC installation will start in January 2015 and I would like to make sure that the important appliances are in place.

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If not available for Malaysian market, what about Singapore market? If available for singapore market, can go take from singapore better?

I think my teka VTCM hob is also 60cm but got it for RM1650. Still okay because below 2k range.

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60 cm rangehood : My worry about hood is solved. I am going for either Teka or Rinnai. I have had a look at Teka model at Harvey Norman last week. Price is RM 750.00 and after discount will be RM 639. I feel it's a good deal. I will be checking out Rinnai at their showroom this weekend.
60 cm gas hob on glass : I was excited to find that Fisher & Paykel had exactly what I wanted (Gas hob on glass and IT IS 60 CM!!)  However, after enquiring I was told that this model is not available for Malaysian market.    sweat.gif  sweat.gif 
I did find few other brands that have 60 cm hob but their replies were almost the same : Not available for Malaysian market ....  Does that mean, nobody in Malaysia use 60 cm gas hob?  I did find the vitoceramic ones available in 60 cm but highly priced and doesn't suit my budget.  Following are the brands I have scouted for 60 cm gas hob on glass:

1. DeLonghi
2. Teka
3. Rinnai
4. Electrolux
5. Bosch
6. Smeg
7. Ariston
8. Tuscani
9. Fisher & Paykel

I am not sure if I am exhausted of options or if there are other brands that I have not looked at. Appreciate your input here. Most probably my KC installation will start in January 2015 and I would like to make sure that the important appliances are in place.
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QUOTE(Career26 @ Nov 5 2014, 05:28 PM)
UPDATES:
60 cm rangehood : My worry about hood is solved. I am going for either Teka or Rinnai. I have had a look at Teka model at Harvey Norman last week. Price is RM 750.00 and after discount will be RM 639. I feel it's a good deal. I will be checking out Rinnai at their showroom this weekend.
60 cm gas hob on glass : I was excited to find that Fisher & Paykel had exactly what I wanted (Gas hob on glass and IT IS 60 CM!!)  However, after enquiring I was told that this model is not available for Malaysian market.    sweat.gif  sweat.gif 
I did find few other brands that have 60 cm hob but their replies were almost the same : Not available for Malaysian market ....  Does that mean, nobody in Malaysia use 60 cm gas hob?  I did find the vitoceramic ones available in 60 cm but highly priced and doesn't suit my budget.  Following are the brands I have scouted for 60 cm gas hob on glass:

1. DeLonghi
2. Teka
3. Rinnai
4. Electrolux
5. Bosch
6. Smeg
7. Ariston
8. Tuscani
9. Fisher & Paykel

I am not sure if I am exhausted of options or if there are other brands that I have not looked at. Appreciate your input here. Most probably my KC installation will start in January 2015 and I would like to make sure that the important appliances are in place.
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Typically, goods aren't marketed towards a region because just not worth it for them to sell a particular line or model if it doesn't suit the market. Asian cooking needs are wholly different from Western, we may not prefer the glass look because it needs to look spotless, etc.

I don't doubt you can actually get the F&P gas on glass hob you want. It just means you'll have to find a supplier or dealer that can get it for you (for a price, of course) or maybe that you'll have to buy it yourself and have it shipped. Also, warranties might be voided or tricky to claim this way.

It'll probably be too much of a hassle. Since your deadline is coming up soon (time will fly), I suggest getting your next best option.
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If not available for Malaysian market, what about Singapore market? If available for singapore market, can go take from singapore better?

---> How I wish. See their reply below.

I think my teka VTCM hob is also 60cm but got it for RM1650. Still okay because below 2k range.
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--->I do not want to go for electric hob as it is not economical and if there is a temporary power cut (which is bound to happen in Malaysia every now and then), then I can't even boil a pot of water.


I contacted their exclusive distributor from 20th Oct, A. M. Marketing and they did not respond promptly. I ended up calling all the way to Thailand (that was the contact number given for Asia region) and still no proper response. Finally, I wrote to the HQ to which they responded like this:

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--->Very sorry that it has taken a number of emails and calls on your behalf to find an answer to your question.

I have just spoken to our rep in Singapore regarding the availably of these products in Malaysia and I am sorry the outcome was not what you were hoping for.

Ronnie has advised that these are natural gas appliances and not available for purchase in our Malaysia market, I did inquire as to whether this may change and if the appliance would be available in another form of gas, however he was not able to answer this question but did not believe they would be.

Again apologies that it has taken this long for you to have an answer, and very sorry it is not the answer you had been hoping for.



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That's very difficult regarding F&P gas on glass hob.

Mostly is stainless steel.


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QUOTE(Career26 @ Oct 15 2014, 10:36 AM)
thanks for your input. if i go for anything wider than 60 cm, I will lose space for kitchen cabinet. So it's either I compromise on the kitchen cabinet space or the hood. Due to lack of storage space (the unit does not come with a store room), and since I don't do much of the asian cooking style - I thought I will maximise the space available for KC and compromise on the size of hood. And I have used 60 cm hood during my stay in Aus few years ago at a rental apartment - worked quite well, I must say. smile.gif
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Sorry to chime in late. Unless you're in a hurry or i f you've fixed your design on kitchen cabinetry, the following sites might help re-orient on design and space usage perspectives.
BLUM Dynamicspace
Cleanup Kitchen Systems (Japan) Kitchen design reviews (via Google translate) Catalog (via Google translate)

Note that I'm not suggesting you get the exact specs as in here esp the second one. What's more important is you get another perspective of how to organise and plan your kitchen storage and workflow.

IKEA mostly relies on Blum parts for their hinges and hence they do adhere to BLUM's storage philosophy. The European triangle workflow is clearly seen here.

It's ok if it's space is really constrained or you have committed the kitchen cabinetry. Just sometimes if these help re-orient how kitchen storage planning is taken, it might perhaps help enable you to get back more space and then expand your options for choosing wider appliances like the 90cm hood as some suggested. The choices are wider.

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 5 2014, 05:46 PM)
If not available for Malaysian market, what about Singapore market? If available for singapore market, can go take from singapore better?

I think my teka VTCM hob is also 60cm but got it for RM1650. Still okay because below 2k range.
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--->I must admit, I haven't done much research on the electric hobs yet. But, now that my options are less, I might consider getting one after research is done. I have included the link for Teka hobs here Which one is the model that you bought ? http://teka.com.my/products/index/10
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QUOTE(OneMoreDay @ Nov 5 2014, 06:15 PM)
Typically, goods aren't marketed towards a region because just not worth it for them to sell a particular line or model if it doesn't suit the market. Asian cooking needs are wholly different from Western, we may not prefer the glass look because it needs to look spotless, etc.

I don't doubt you can actually get the F&P gas on glass hob you want. It just means you'll have to find a supplier or dealer that can get it for you (for a price, of course) or maybe that you'll have to buy it yourself and have it shipped. Also, warranties might be voided or tricky to claim this way.

It'll probably be too much of a hassle. Since your deadline is coming up soon (time will fly), I suggest getting your next best option.
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--->You nailed it! That's exactly my thought. I am thinking of expanding my choices a little bit more. I made calls to most of the brands I mentioned yesterday and I was told that Rinnai might have a 71 cm or 73 cm gas hob. Also, Fotile has a 73 cm gas hob. So am thinking of considering that and also look at the electric ones which I have never considered in the past. Will update my findings - In the mean time, if you come across anything that will be in line with my requirement, do give me a shout here! smile.gif

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actually its easy to get what you want by taking two modular hobs which are (always) 30 cm in actual width and join them with a joining bar.

here is a list with many gas on glas options for you starting at 748 RM:

http://www.xammax.my/cooking/hobs/modular-hobs

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QUOTE(Career26 @ Nov 6 2014, 09:31 AM)

--->You nailed it! That's exactly my thought. I am thinking of expanding my choices a little bit more. I made calls to most of the brands I mentioned yesterday and I was told that Rinnai might have a 71 cm or 73 cm gas hob. Also, Fotile has a 73 cm gas hob. So am thinking of considering that and also look at the electric ones which I have never considered in the past. Will update my findings - In the mean time, if you come across anything that will be in line with my requirement, do give me a shout here! smile.gif

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Electrolux in SG have the electric hobs in the sizes you require ie nominal 80cm. There's another brand from Germany also quite popular there. They make units for cooking and also with oven attached.
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See attached picture.

Model is TEKA VTCM. It is a vitroceramic hob. Got it from www.xammax.com.my

Prices is lower than the fair prices & selling prices. Last year I saw the exact model at homedec fair selling for 2k+
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QUOTE(Career26 @ Nov 6 2014, 10:26 AM)
--->I must admit, I haven't done much research on the electric hobs yet. But, now that my options are less, I might consider getting one after research is done. I have included the link for Teka hobs here Which one is the model that you bought ? http://teka.com.my/products/index/10
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 6 2014, 03:14 PM)
See attached picture.

Model is TEKA VTCM. It is a vitroceramic hob. Got it from www.xammax.com.my

Prices is lower than the fair prices & selling prices. Last year I saw the exact model at homedec fair selling for 2k+
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--->Thanks for sharing. I am a bit confused between the terminologies used: electric hob / induction hob / vitroceramic? Any major differences between all these three? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

I do have the following questions in mind and hope you and other electric hob users can guide me:

1. What are the factors to be considered when choosing an electric hob?
2. Have you surveyed any other brands before resorting to purchase Teka?
3. How long have you been using it?
4. Are there any specific kitchen utensils required? (sorry, I have never used electric hob before)
5. Anything else that you think I should know .....

My search continues.... sweat.gif sweat.gif


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I thought you were looking for a 70-75cm gas hob? Why need to change to 60cm now? biggrin.gif

For electric, you got two popular choices - vitroceramic or induction
I dont like to use the term vitroceramic as its just pointing out to the "glass" material. For me the correct term is radiant hob. Anyway dont worry about the terms.

Radiant hobs glows red when its turn on, radiating heat to the ceramic glass top and to your pot/pan.

Induction hobs also has a glass top but it doesnt radiate heat. Simple explanation, it generates a magnetic field which in turn makes the pot/pan itself heat up. This is more efficient since its not transferring heat from one area to another like the ceramic hobs. It is also very fast and it doesnt heat up your kitchen surroudings. But there is a catch, you need induction ready pots and pans. This is not a problem, there's plenty nowadays. Clay pots wont work, aluminum pans wont work. You need pots and pans containing iron. Ask for induction ready cookware

The reason why I think you cant find 600 gas hobs in Asia anymore is because once you put a wok on it, the other burners are blocked. That's why they came out with Asian style gas hobs which you see nowadays - around 700-900 wide. But for electric hobs, 600 hobs are plenty.

btw i bought a Teka Induction hob - 3 burners, yes 600mm. Still in the box though cause my reno havent even started yet. My hood is Teka as well - 900mm. My kitchen space is smaller/shorter than yours I think, only 6ft and I have to put a sink there as well.

Just go with a 700-800 gas hob, it wont eat up too much of your counter space. It wont "match" your 600 hood though. Or if you still insist on 600 gas hobs, go the modular way as suggested by another forumer by using Domino hobs. Two of these will fit your requiremen

http://www.xammax.my/media/catalog/product...30_1g_ai_al.jpg


Whats your budget for a hob and hood if you dont mind telling...?

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idoblu has explained in detail in his post already, so I just add on.

The terminology for electric hob simply refer to both induction & vitoceramic hobs as they run on electricity.

While induction hobs doesn't take long to heat up and requires only induction ready cookware, it is also energy saving, child proof compared to vitroceramic hob because induction will heat only the cookware and nothing else so if you or your child place paper or hand on it, it will not burn either hand or paper. This is because when you remove the cookware briefly while stove is on, it will temporarily 'turn off' mode.

The same cannot be said for vitroceramic hobs so you have to be careful not to get burnt. Also vitroceramic hobs can heat any metal cookware as long as there is metal. Think of it as the safe electric version of a gas hob with fire as you will not worry about gas leakage but still need to be careful not to burn yourself.

Downside? Induction hobs are more expensive than vitroceramic hobs.

Previously I had been using a 2 zone vitroceramic ariston hob for many years and it worked well for me so I preferred to get either induction or vitroceramic hob for my new place.

I did my online shopping for my hob, washing machine and fridge as my partner and I were so busy to make time to go down to the actual shops to check out appliances. Therefore the choices are not that many online but with xammax, the choices for induction and vitroceramic hobs is plenty enough for me. The price was another factor for me too so I went with vitroceramic and a 4 zone one because economically, it did not make sense for me to get a 2 zone hob at the same price either when I could get a 4 zone hob as well.

You won't go wrong with European brands for electric hobs. Teka, Ariston, Electrolux etc. The consideration for space between cooking utensils on the electric hob will depend largely on your cooking preferences so take it in mind when deciding on the number of zones and design.

Before I forget, please check with sales or company whether you can utilize all zones at same time to cook. Last time for my 2 zone hob, I was told I could only utilize one zone at a time due to the amp.

Must remember the amp required for the electric hob so that you can inform the wireman to pull a new set of dedicated wires for the hob. No sharing or looping with others.


QUOTE(Career26 @ Nov 7 2014, 07:25 AM)
--->Thanks for sharing. I am a bit confused between the terminologies used: electric hob / induction hob / vitroceramic? Any major differences between all these three?  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif 

I do have the following questions in mind and hope you and other electric hob users can guide me:

1. What are the factors to be considered when choosing an electric hob?
2. Have you surveyed any other brands before resorting to purchase Teka?
3. How long have you been using it?
4. Are there any specific kitchen utensils required? (sorry, I have never used electric hob  before)
5. Anything else that you think I should know .....

My search continues....  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

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I thought you were looking for a 70-75cm gas hob? Why need to change to 60cm now? biggrin.gif

--->My preference has been always 60 cm hood and 60 cm gas hob and that was the reason I started a thread on this topic by specifying the dimension clearly.

If you have read my earlier replies particularly the recent updates about my findings that I gathered in the past 2 months, I managed to narrow down my search for 60 cm hood – Teka or Rinnai.

However, I could not find a 60 cm gas hob on glass as easy as I found the hob. So, I did mention that I am willing (sadly) to compromise the dimension between 70 – 75 cm. After an exhaustive search, I found a 60 cm gas hob on glass (Fisher & Paykel) but to my disappointment, I was informed that it is not available for Malaysian market. You may have read about this in my earlier posts here.

As I was too focused on finding a 60 cm gas hob on glass, I did not even consider the option of electric hob. I must admit, a few people whom I know mentioned that electric hob is not as economical as gas hob which discouraged me even further from finding out the pros and cons of having an electric hob.

I am not succeeding in getting a 60 cm gas hob on glass. Before I compromise on a 70-75 cm gas hob, I would like to learn about the pros and cons of an electric hob (which is obviously available in 60 cm) and make an informed decision at the end.  smile.gif  smile.gif



For electric, you got two popular choices - vitroceramic or induction
I dont like to use the term vitroceramic as its just pointing out to the "glass" material. For me the correct term is radiant hob. Anyway dont worry about the terms.

Radiant hobs glows red when its turn on, radiating heat to the ceramic glass top and to your pot/pan.

Induction hobs also has a glass top but it doesnt radiate heat. Simple explanation, it generates a magnetic field which in turn makes the pot/pan itself heat up. This is more efficient since its not transferring heat from one area to another like the ceramic hobs. It is also very fast and it doesnt heat up your kitchen surroudings. But there is a catch, you need induction ready pots and pans. This is not a problem, there's plenty nowadays. Clay pots wont work, aluminum pans wont work. You need pots and pans containing iron. Ask for induction ready cookware

The reason why I think you cant find 600 gas hobs in Asia anymore is because once you put a wok on it, the other burners are blocked. That's why they came out with Asian style gas hobs which you see nowadays - around 700-900 wide. But for electric hobs, 600 hobs are plenty.

btw i bought a Teka Induction hob - 3 burners, yes 600mm. Still in the box though cause my reno havent even started yet. My hood is Teka as well - 900mm. My kitchen space is smaller/shorter than yours I think, only 6ft and I have to put a sink there as well.

Just go with a 700-800 gas hob, it wont eat up too much of your counter space. It wont "match" your 600 hood though. Or if you still insist on 600 gas hobs, go the modular way as suggested by another forumer by using Domino hobs. Two of these will fit your requirement. Whats your budget for a hob and hood if you dont mind telling...?


---> I allocated about RM 1700 for hood/hob initially but that may change now depending on what I decide finally. How much did you pay for your Teka, 60 cm Induction hob (3 burners), if you don’t mind sharing?
Thanks a lot for educating me. I have not surveyed much for electric hobs in different brands. That’s my homework for the weekend. smile.gif



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if you go the induction way it would be expensive. i bought mine at 2k and that is after 50% off during their warehouse sale.

for others you can take a look here - http://www.xammax.my/cooking/hobs/induction-hobs

Fisher Paykel is even more expensive than Teka. Here is that hob you wanted in Singapore
http://www.harveynorman.com.sg/fisher-payk...g604dwfcx1.html

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if you go the induction way it would be expensive. i bought mine at 2k and that is after 50% off during their warehouse sale.

for others you can take a look here - http://www.xammax.my/cooking/hobs/induction-hobs


Fisher Paykel is even more expensive than Teka. Here is that hob you wanted in Singapore

---> Yes, F & P is expensive and moreover I don't want to buy it outside of Malaysia which will make my claim for warranty a bit tricky. I don't mind considering Teka as I am quite happy with their 60 cm hood. Where did you buy the Teka induction hob from? Directly from Teka or dealer? Will be helpful if you can share with me the model number smile.gif

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i bought IR631 which is discontinued in Malaysia from the Teka Warehouse Sale - yes direct from Teka
http://teka.com/en/products/view/22055-hobs-ir_631

there is a 450mm model which is smaller and may suit your purpose -
http://www.xammax.my/teka-induction-hob-ir-421.html

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---> Hey, but I saw the IR631 is still available in their Malaysia website : http://teka.com.my/en/products/view/22055-hobs-ir_631

I have just emailed the person in charge to check on the availability.

Where did you purchase yours from by the way? Xammax?
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Please read the first line again on where I bought mine smile.gif
If it's still available you should grab one
The replacement are IB610 and IR63

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Please read the first line again on where I bought mine smile.gif
If it's still available you should grab one cause the new replacements are not so good
The replacement are IB610 and IR63
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Sorry, must have read it in full speed!! Teka warehouse Sale. smile.gif
Thanks - let's see what Teka Malaysia replies to my email.
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Bro idoblu, you got a good buy for your induction hob! thumbup.gif Too bad I bought mine much earlier due to the minimum spending requirement for my credit card to get back the full cash back rebate before they reduced the rebate and revised the requirement. Or else I aim the teka warehouse sale also.

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 7 2014, 10:51 PM)
Bro idoblu,  you got a good buy for your induction hob! thumbup.gif  Too bad I bought mine much earlier due to the minimum spending requirement for my credit card to get back the full cash back rebate before they reduced the rebate and revised the requirement.  Or else I aim the teka warehouse sale also.
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It was a lucky break for me. I actually planned on getting this model like more than a year ago but when I check early this year, I found that it's all gone! I check with Teka and they told me that there are new models now, the one I wanted has been discontinued. Anyway long story short, I was told later that they do have two last pieces at the warehouse sale. I bought one of them. Brand new in box. I also managed to buy an opened box hood and oven, oven was 60% off.

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So lucky to get it. This brand new piece comes with standard 1 year warranty?

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It was a lucky break for me. I actually planned on getting this model like more than a year ago but when I check early this year, I found that it's all gone! I check with Teka and they told me that there are new models now, the one I wanted has been discontinued. Anyway long story short, I was told later that they do have two last pieces at the warehouse sale. I bought one of them. Brand new in box. I also managed to buy an opened box hood and oven, oven was 60% off.
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So lucky to get it. This brand new piece comes with standard 1 year warranty?
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I bought in May. If it's one year, it's already half gone and I don't even know if they work sad.gif
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Hmmm...I'm not sure about the warranty period  hmm.gif
I bought in May. If it's one year, it's already half  gone and I don't even know if they work sad.gif
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How I wish they have a warehouse sale again ....  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Got. Every year in May. But new models susah sikit. You can get 30% from the shops now and get a new set

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Nov 8 2014, 11:32 AM)
Got. Every year in May. But new models susah sikit. You can get 30% from the shops now and get a new set
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May?! - what a shame. I will be starting my reno by Jan next year. Will check it out. By the way, you were right. They discontinued the model you bought and the other model you suggested is about 4K rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

When are you planning to start your reno?
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There is another way but you missed it too.
During Homedec or Archidex, you can reserve the display models for that day. They are new and heavily discounted. But negative side is everyone would have molested it for five days. It's not too bad since there are no physical buttons to play with.

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Nov 8 2014, 11:43 AM)
Nanthini emailed you back already? smile.gif
That's their retail price. You can get 30% off from shops *dont tell anyone I said that* laugh.gif
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Nanthini? - Is she from Teka Malaysia?
I have been dealing with Mr.Vincent from there. He is very prompt in replying my emails. He was clear that I will not be able to get any discount if I buy directly from them and I should go to dealers if I want to negotiate the price.
Lol! Nah - I won't tell but am sure people here are literate enough to read your valuable input brows.gif

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I edited haha
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Still you can consider getting from xammax since also teka dealer.

The prices are discounted from 10% to 30% max. I'm not sure but there should be free qifts for minimum amount of 1 or 2k spent.

I got 2 free gifts from them with the purchase of my teka hob as the price is actually 1.7k but discount RM50 off with the voucher om their website.
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here is another option. best of both worlds. induction and gas from Gorenje

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I'm not sure about the 1 year warranty because usually for some display models and some discontinued models, the manufacturer will either give 3-6 months warranty for them at warehouse clearance.

And btw, did u register your warranty online? Usually need to register warranty within 7-14 days of purchase.

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Hmmm...I'm not sure about the warranty period  hmm.gif
I bought in May. If it's one year, it's already half  gone and I don't even know if they work sad.gif
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I'm not sure about the 1 year warranty because usually for some display models and some discontinued models, the manufacturer will either give 3-6 months warranty for them at warehouse clearance.

And btw, did u register your warranty online? Usually need to register warranty within 7-14 days of purchase.
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I emailed them and ask before, they said refer to my sales receipt. I look but it didn't say for how long but I remember they told me it's still one year from the purchased date. I'm not 100% certain as I can't remember
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Oh. Usually i register right away because sometimes some dealers don't want to honor the warranty period, so must have it in black and white their reply. Can be quite troublesome

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I emailed them and ask before, they said refer to my sales receipt. I look but it didn't say for how long but I remember they told me it's still one year from the purchased date. I'm not 100% certain as I can't remember
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here is another option. best of both worlds. induction and gas from Gorenje

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Nice but I just prefer one best world tongue.gif.
I think with space being an issue, I will gain some space if I go for electric hob as I will not have to worry for shelf space for the gas cyclinder to be placed.
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It's good that you've made up your mind.
Now you can shop for your induction ready cookware
There's a sale on Zwilling now. Whole set of pots and pan around Rm600
http://www.offerstation.com/sales-warehous...ehouse-sale.htm
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Nov 9 2014, 08:33 AM)
It's good that you've made up your mind.
Now you can shop for your induction ready cookware
There's a sale on Zwilling now. Whole set of pots and pan around Rm600
http://www.offerstation.com/sales-warehous...ehouse-sale.htm
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So expensive. Mine only SGD 150 for set of 6 WMF smile.gif
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So expensive. Mine only SGD 150 for set of 6 WMF smile.gif
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Singapore what also cheaper and better la... biggrin.gif
why you think i drove down just to get a sink?


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This brand I guess not sure you guys recommended
Now in my kitchen smile.gif

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Kimsim, your hood and stove both 60cm? TS looking for 60cm. Max is 73cm stove I think?

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This brand I guess not sure you guys recommended
Now in my kitchen smile.gif

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BTW anyone know of Tuscani Brand? How it will fare vs Fotile, Elba etc...
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BTW anyone know of Tuscani Brand? How it will fare vs Fotile, Elba etc...
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They never picked up the phone!! Called them nearly 5 - 6 times on last Thursday, dropped an email and no response till to date. Made continuous effort to call only because of the good reviews I read about their products but now not going to bother calling them again.

Give it a try though - You will probably have better luck with them. Here is the contact details: http://www.tuscani.com.my/contact.php


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Check this stove out.

This gas on glass hob is 68cm. I think is smallest already?

But it is from singapore, so not sure if Ellane brand is available in malaysia though.

How is your search for that 60cm stove?


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Check this stove out.

This gas on glass hob is 68cm. I think is smallest already?

But it is from singapore, so not sure if Ellane brand is available in malaysia though.

How is your search for that 60cm stove?
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--->Thanks for the follow up note and the suggestion for Ellane brand. I did come across this few weeks ago but it is not available in Malaysia. My attention has now diverted a bit towards induction hob (stretching my budget a little bit and will probably compromise a little bit in other areas). With space being a constraint in my apartment, I feel induction will be a better choice as I could save up the whole space I would need to allocate for gas cylinder if I buy one). My long thought process includes the budget, my usage frequency, the type of cooking, pros and cons of induction hobs etc before I decided to consider an electric hob. Above all, forumers inputs have been extremely helpful to have a focused search and informed decision making process. Gas hob is there in the back of my mind as a plan B if my budget balloons up (just incase)!

I have narrowed down my choices to Electrolux, Rinnai and Teka 60 cm induction hobs. Good thing is all these three brands have 60 cm hoods as well which means I can have a pair of them depending on the price and quality. I have only got the price for Teka 60 cm hood (Harvey Norman's discounted price is RM 639.00). About to check Rinnai & Electrolux.

I am compiling all the model numbers from each brand for hob and hood; and going to email one of the shops in Damansara to get the quotes and availability. She is going to confirm of the availability of the stocks for me to go and have a look at. Will do the same with a few other stores; and make my decision. Of course, will keep you all posted. smile.gif

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Shortlisted 60 cm hoods and 60 cm induction hobs and you may click on each to view the models:


HOOD (Brands and Model Nos.)

1. Rinnai - RH-T306-SSV

2. Rinnai - RH-T316-SSV

3. Electrolux - EFT6510X

4. Teka - TL 162



INDUCTION HOB (Brands and Model Nos.)

1. Teka - IR 641

2. Rinnai - RB 6004H-CB

3. Electrolux - 3 Models comparison (EHEC65BS, EHET66CS, EHED63CS)

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That's good. At the end of the selection, do remember to take note of the amp required because you need to buy the switch/socket for it

For eg, the rinnai induction hob is 8kWh or 8000W. So 8000W / by 230 or 240V = 33 or 34A for the power switch rating. Which means you need to get at least 45A DP switch socket for the stove alone. I think 6mm dedicated wiring is probably good enough for the stove switch as your power rating is higher than mine although induction is energy saving.
This is because normal wiring used for other sockets in the house cannot withstand the heat from the power load for the stove and can blow or in worse case, catch fire? So do ensure that you have a set of wire mainly for stove, a set for hood, and a set for built in oven if any. No sharing with other appliances either.

Im not sure about the hood as I never use a hood before.

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That's good. At the end of the selection, do remember to take note of the amp required because you need to buy the switch/socket for it

For eg, the rinnai induction hob is 8kWh or 8000W. So 8000W / by 230 or 240V = 33 or 34A for the power switch rating. Which means you need to get at least 45A DP switch socket for the stove alone. I think 6mm dedicated wiring is probably good enough for the stove switch as your power rating is higher than mine although induction is energy saving.
This is because normal wiring used for other sockets in the house cannot withstand the heat from the power load for the stove and can blow or in worse case, catch fire? So do ensure that you have a set of wire mainly for stove, a set for hood, and a set for built in oven if any. No sharing with other appliances either.

Im not sure about the hood as I never use a hood before.
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---> It's good that you gave me a detailed explanation on this. I was completely clueless on this bit. I thought I will start narrowing down my choices in terms of the dimension, brand, price and features first and then get back here with the technical details advice. I don't have any contact of electrician that I can seek advice from. Was going to ask my KC maker (or his electrician) what is needed in terms of wiring etc. before I finalize my decision.

Which model out of the three I shortlisted would you recommend me to choose? And why? Also, apart from what I have shortlisted - I would still welcome suggestions of any other brands (which is reasonably priced and good quality) that I can look out for. Thanks.

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It's better you look at the amp rating for the model you choose, then enquire with the electrician on whether 6mm wiring is sufficient or not. When you buy the switches from the hardware shop selling switches, check with the man on the switch that can handle the amp rating.

Was looking at your choices.

I would feel that if I have a child or elderly parents staying with me, I will focus on safety and security functions first, the quality of stove and lastly budget too. The brand will come later. I am firm in getting european made appliances because the performance is stable based on experience, although I am not opposed to getting asian made appliances either.

Based on my requirements, I think Electrolux models, EHET66CS & EHED63CS have the safety and security functions and the fact electrolux is european made? Rinnai comes 2nd. For Teka stove u shortlist, there is no mention of the safety lock etc.

Price plays a big factor in this as well primarily because of the main reasoning that appliances have std 1 year warranty and it will not be well justified to spend so much with this in mind that the lifespan really varies with maintenance and usage. Additionally, so many new models come on the market just like how TVs are priced high and later discounted heavily when new models appear.

I don't know how much are you willing to spend on the stove though.

EDIT: I just saw your teka shortlist choice has a safety block which can be said to be child safety feature and useful for cleaning purposes as well. So Teka can be placed at 2nd place already. The power rating is at 6400W, not that high as Rinnai's if you consider electricity usage.

Teka has a 45cm 2 zone hob but price wise, I saw it is RM2975.



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---> It's good that you gave me a detailed explanation on this. I was completely clueless on this bit. I thought I will start narrowing down my choices in terms of the dimension, brand, price and features first and then get back here with the technical details advice. I don't have any contact of electrician that I can seek advice from. Was going to ask my KC maker (or his electrician) what is needed in terms of wiring etc. before I finalize my decision.

Which model out of the three I shortlisted would you recommend me to choose? And why? Also, apart from what I have shortlisted - I would still welcome suggestions of any other brands (which is reasonably priced and good quality) that I can look out for. Thanks.

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The other brand uncommon as it is from Germany but sold in SG is Rommelsbacher. They make portable (like their 120-240V portable cooker), electric oven, kettle, built-in hob (vitro, induction, hot plate), induction plate, etc.

What's innovative in terms of space saving and electrical consumption is their Mini Kitcheners cooker top with oven which comes in 2500W width cast iron hot plates ie retro 1960s style to 3000W modernized Glass ceramic hot plates with tempered glass top. 60cm width chassis and 40cm width oven at 22l volume.

From their manual, it's a 2500/3000W restricted design so that it can retrofit into an existing dedicated 13A powerline minimum or 15A just to be comfortable.

They have a 60cm 4800W 3 way induction cook top with Schott Ceran top. That requires a 20A-25A power socket.

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The other brand uncommon as it is from Germany but sold in SG is Rommelsbacher. They make portable (like their 120-240V portable cooker), electric oven, kettle, built-in hob (vitro, induction, hot plate), induction plate, etc.

What's innovative in terms of space saving and electrical consumption is their Mini Kitcheners cooker top with oven which comes in 2500W width cast iron hot plates ie retro 1960s style to 3000W modernized Glass ceramic hot plates with tempered glass top. 60cm width chassis and 40cm width oven at 22l volume.

From their manual, it's a 2500/3000W restricted design so that it can retrofit into an existing dedicated 13A powerline minimum or 15A just to be comfortable.

They have a 60cm 4800W 3 way induction cook top with Schott Ceran top. That requires a 20A-25A power socket.
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---> Hey, thanks so much for your input. I had a look at the links you sent and also few other individual models of their induction hobs: http://www.rommelsbacher.de/en/rommelsbacher_k.htm

They are induction hobs with low wattage (if am reading the technical details correctly) which would suit my requirement . Unfortunately, they don't seem to be available in Malaysia from the searches that I have done in the internet. Even called a few dealers just then, but none of them have even heard of the brand name. sad.gif

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It's better you look at the amp rating for the model you choose, then enquire with the electrician on whether 6mm wiring is sufficient or not. When you buy the switches from the hardware shop selling switches, check with the man on the switch that can handle the amp rating.

---> I have to make note of this. Thanks for pointing out.

Was looking at your choices.

I would feel that if I have a child or elderly parents staying with me, I will focus on safety and security functions first, the quality of stove and lastly budget too. The brand will come later. I am firm in getting european made appliances because the performance is stable based on experience, although I am not opposed to getting asian made appliances either.

---> I am single but nevertheless safety is an important point to consider even if you don't have elderly parents or children. I think all three brands I chose reasonably have good safety functions and I am all for European brand too based on my personal experience.

Based on my requirements, I think Electrolux models, EHET66CS & EHED63CS have the safety and security functions and the fact electrolux is european made? Rinnai comes 2nd. For Teka stove u shortlist, there is no mention of the safety lock etc.

Price plays a big factor in this as well primarily because of the main reasoning that appliances have std 1 year warranty and it will not be well justified to spend so much with this in mind that the lifespan really varies with maintenance and usage.  Additionally, so many new models come on the market just like how TVs are priced high and later discounted heavily when new models appear.

I don't know how much are you willing to spend on the stove though.

---> Can't agree with you more. if all the important factors are covered comfortably; I am looking at max about 2.5K for induction hob. Like I mentioned in my previous reply - I would probably compromise in less important thing if the budget needs a bit of stretch.

EDIT: I just saw your teka shortlist choice has a safety block which can be said to be child safety feature and useful for cleaning purposes as well. So Teka can be placed at 2nd place already. The power rating is at 6400W, not that high as Rinnai's if you consider electricity usage.

--->Yes, Teka does have safety features. I can summariza based on your advice that we are looking at Induction hobs with just 2 zones that would be likely to have low wattage instead of going for 3 or 4 zones. Am I understanding you correctly?
If the electrician need to do individual wiring for hood and hob, will it be costly; and if yes, what would be the approximate expenses like?


Teka has a 45cm 2 zone hob but price wise, I saw it is RM2975.

--->Where did you see this? I only saw 2 models listed in their website for induction hobs: http://teka.com.my/products/index/10
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So expensive. Mine only SGD 150 for set of 6 WMF smile.gif
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What do you mean by 6 WMF?
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What do you mean by 6 WMF?
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---> Hey, thanks so much for your input. I had a look at the links you sent and also few other individual models of their induction hobs: http://www.rommelsbacher.de/en/rommelsbacher_k.htm

They are induction hobs with low wattage (if am reading the technical details correctly) which would suit my requirement . Unfortunately, they don't seem to be available in Malaysia from the searches that I have done in the internet. Even called a few dealers just then, but none of them have even heard of the brand name. sad.gif

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Saw this 2 zone hob at xammax

http://www.xammax.my/teka-induction-hob-ir-421.html

If you want to get from xammax,you can get RM50 voucher to discount the price.

http://www.xammax.my/blog/get-rm50-coupon-...share-our-page/

and also the free gifts for purchase of RM1200 and above here.

http://www.xammax.my/blog/select-free-gifts/

Yes 3-4 zone hobs will have higher wattage. If you look at the specs closely, sometimes 2 bigger zone will have higher wattage than the other 2 smaller zones in a 4 zone induction hob. But the total wattage is calculated if you add all the wattage of the 4 zones. It just depends on your cooking preference. Do you need a 2 , 3 or 4 zone hob?

For e.g., the Teka 2 zone hob I just posted above, is 4800W while your teka shortlisted choice is 6400W.

One of the Electrolux models is 7400W and the other one is 6400W

For electrical wiring, you need to check how much is the 4-6mm wiring? Based on my electrical quote, a 4mm wire is RM150. Take this as a base estimate (Price will differ by area so I don't know how is it in KL side) and you can ask for some discount or negotiate for a lower price if you engaging electrician to do all your wiring?

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Saw this 2 zone hob at xammax

http://www.xammax.my/teka-induction-hob-ir-421.html

If you want to get from xammax,you can get RM50 voucher to discount the price.

http://www.xammax.my/blog/get-rm50-coupon-...share-our-page/ 

and also the free gifts for purchase of RM1200 and above here.

http://www.xammax.my/blog/select-free-gifts/


---> Noted with thanks.

Yes 3-4 zone hobs will have higher wattage. If you look at the specs closely, sometimes 2 bigger zone will have higher wattage than the other 2 smaller zones in a 4 zone induction hob. But the total wattage is calculated if you add all the wattage of the 4 zones.  It just depends on your cooking preference. Do you need a 2 , 3 or 4 zone hob?
For e.g., the Teka 2 zone hob I just posted above, is 4800W while your teka shortlisted choice is 6400W.

--->I never took the wattage into consideration when I prepared my previous shortlist. I need only 2 zone or max is 3 zone hob. So true - my shortlisted models all have higher wattage and thanks to you for highlighting the technical details that I should take into account while making my decision. I am actually quite happy with Teka IR 421 and emailed a few dealers for quotes.

One of the Electrolux models is 7400W and the other one is 6400W

For electrical wiring, you need to check how much is the 4-6mm wiring? Based on my electrical quote, a 4mm wire is RM150. Take this as a base estimate (Price will differ by area so I don't know how is it in KL side) and you can ask for some discount or negotiate for a lower price if you engaging electrician to do all your wiring?

--->Oh, that's how they charge? This will be a good guidance for me to to discuss wiring details with my electrician.

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I don't know but having anything over 3000W requires special planning electrically. That's thicker gauge wiring and there's potential of tripping. Single phase wiring is up to 63A. For hob requirements that require in excess of 6400W, the kitchen has to be on 32A (32Ax240V=7680W). If planning in such a way, sometimes it's prudent to put a separate MCB in the kitchen to isolate trips to this zone.

Otherwise going by Watt limited appliance or gas is one way mindful of the space constrain it presents. I presume you'd either use a table top oven or has a built-in planned?

Assuming ovens are planned for, the good news is there are those that only consumes 13A:
a. Kee Huat Radio's Ovenmate Valencia
b. older 5 to 7 function Rinnai models
c. recent Rinnai 4 and 8 funciton model

I used to own a KHR Ovenmate Valencia and the cooking that comes out of this oven is amazing from grilled chicken, ribs, cakes and pizza. Since the Valencia is only 500mm wide and 675cm tall, it can fit within a 60cm width space with space on either end. If the working surface is 80cm high from the floor then you could invest in a 60cm 3 zone hob. Both can run off the same 32A circuit with the caveat either one has exclusive use or a combination of both should not exceed 32A. Perhaps a lower wattage induction with the oven might solve the issue. In such a set up and if the 3 zone hob is not too deep, open up a rectangular breathing hole to allow heat from oven space to escape.
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Career26,

I don't know but having anything over 3000W requires special planning electrically. That's thicker gauge wiring and there's potential of tripping. Single phase wiring is up to 63A. For hob requirements that require in excess of 6400W, the kitchen has to be on 32A (32Ax240V=7680W). If planning in such a way, sometimes it's prudent to put a separate MCB in the kitchen to isolate trips to this zone.

Otherwise going by Watt limited appliance or gas is one way mindful of the space constrain it presents. I presume you'd either use a table top oven or has a built-in planned?

Assuming ovens are planned for, the good news is there are those that only consumes 13A:
a. Kee Huat Radio's Ovenmate Valencia
b. older 5 to 7 function Rinnai models
c. recent Rinnai 4 and 8 funciton model

I used to own a KHR Ovenmate Valencia and the cooking that comes out of this oven is amazing from grilled chicken, ribs, cakes and pizza. Since the Valencia is only 500mm wide and 675cm tall, it can fit within a 60cm width space with space on either end. If the working surface is 80cm high from the floor then you could invest in a 60cm 3 zone hob. Both can run off the same 32A circuit with the caveat either one has exclusive use or a combination of both should not exceed 32A. Perhaps a lower wattage induction with the oven might solve the issue. In such a set up and if the 3 zone hob is not too deep, open up a rectangular breathing hole to allow heat from oven space to escape.
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---> It's an apartment unit kitchen and does not allow the luxury of having a built-in oven for me. The more appliances I add, the more I will have to compromise on storage space. I don't do baking that much - so did not prioritize on getting an oven. So, I decided to choose what is absolutely needed on a daily basis. The major electrical appliances that I am going to have in the kitchen will be the electric hob (i have narrowed down to only 2 zone with something like 4800 w), a microwave, hood and fridge.

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I calculated the wattage for the Teka IR421 at 4800W but when I checked the technical specs.

It says here that 1 Ring Ø250mm 3.0kW, 1 Ring Ø145mm 1.8kW which is a total of 4.8kW or 4800W but the description further says that the nominal connection rating is 3.2kW or 15Amp.

So to be on the safe side, you can get a switch with rating of 20Amp and thicker wires at 6mm because 4800 / 230-240V = 20Amp

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---> It's an apartment unit kitchen and does not allow the luxury of having a built-in oven for me. The more appliances I add, the more I will have to compromise on storage space. I don't do baking that much - so did not prioritize on getting an oven. So, I decided to choose what is absolutely needed on a daily basis. The major electrical appliances that I am going to have in the kitchen will be the electric hob (i have narrowed down to only 2 zone with something like 4800 w), a microwave, hood and fridge.
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Hmmm.... ok understand your constraints better now. Well, the Rommelsbacher KML 3001 would do nicely in your case if it could be found here.
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I already posted about the smaller size IR421 3 pages back... biggrin.gif
As for the power...they rate it at all burners doing full power. In real life practice, you won't be using all zones at maximum power. You can't anyway, the hob won't let you.

My IR631 has three burners. At max, each individual burner can do 1800/3000/3200 but the maximum norminal power is 6400 watt, therefore the ampere require will be 27 amp only. A 32amp breaker would be more than sufficient.

IR641 also has a max nominal rating of 6400 watts. If you want to add all the highest wattage for each burner, it will be 9400 watts....lol. Simply put, you don't add all the zone's wattage to get the total power

Please ask Teka or whatever brand you are buying

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Bro, I'm confused now?

I calculated the total wattage of all 4 zones of my vitroceramic hob and it matches the nominal rating stated for the hob.

How is it that yours is different?

I checked the total wattage of the IR421 and it is at 3.2kW / 4.8kW based on the wattage in description although nominal rating is at 3.2kW

QUOTE(idoblu @ Nov 10 2014, 06:30 PM)
I already posted about the smaller size IR421 3 pages back... biggrin.gif
As for the power...they rate it at all burners doing full power. In real life practice, you won't be using all zones at maximum power. You can't anyway, the hob won't let you.

My IR631 has three burners. At max, each individual burner can do 1800/3000/3200 but the maximum norminal power is 6400 watt, therefore the ampere require will be 27 amp only. A 32amp breaker would be more than sufficient.

IR641 also has a max nominal rating of 6400 watts. If you want to add all the highest wattage for each burner, it will be 9400 watts....lol. Simply put, you don't add all the zone's wattage to get the total power

Please ask Teka or whatever brand you are buying
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What is your hob make and model?
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I am going to make a confession - with all this wattage, amps, power, technicalities - I AM COMPLETELY LOST! rclxub.gif sweat.gif rclxub.gif My search process is based on the following factors:

1. 60 cm
2. 2 zones
3. Low wattage
4. Reasonably priced and reliable brand

Am I still on the right track or am I missing out something ?


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Hmm? My old vitroceramic hob is ariston but I cannot use both zone at same time to cook due to amp. This is in a apartment flat.

Not sure about the new hob now but as far as I am concerned, my electricity bill have not hit Rm50 for the past 2 months since I moved in.

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maybe vitroceramic they let you use full power on all  rclxms.gif
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Relax! Just choose what you are comfortable with?

The 45cm Teka IR421 is not big or small either, you have extra 15cm of countertop space.

QUOTE(Career26 @ Nov 10 2014, 09:34 PM)
I am going to make a confession - with all this wattage, amps, power, technicalities - I AM COMPLETELY LOST!  rclxub.gif  sweat.gif  rclxub.gif  My search process is based on the following factors:

1. 60 cm
2. 2 zones
3. Low wattage
4. Reasonably priced and reliable brand

Am I still on the right track or am I missing out something ?

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QUOTE(Career26 @ Nov 10 2014, 08:34 PM)
I am going to make a confession - with all this wattage, amps, power, technicalities - I AM COMPLETELY LOST!  rclxub.gif  sweat.gif  rclxub.gif  My search process is based on the following factors:

1. 60 cm
2. 2 zones
3. Low wattage
4. Reasonably priced and reliable brand

Am I still on the right track or am I missing out something ?

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i have never come across 60cm with just 2 zones. smaller than 60cm yes. getting a 3 zone 60cm is better
as for low wattage - why would you want a low wattage hob?
you want the highest power ones when doing comparison.
this is not like a 5 watt LED bulb giving the equivalent brightness of a 50 watt incandescent bulb kinda of thing.
you can control the power output just like you can turn down the fire on a gas hob but at the same time, you want the hob to have the capability of a higher power range in comparison to other hobs

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Relax! Just choose what you are comfortable with?

The 45cm Teka IR421 is not big or small either, you have extra 15cm of countertop space.
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For some reason I misread it as 52 cm wide right from the day @idoblu and you recommended it. But, now I feel 45 cm is too small although I have not seen it person. I think 60 cm would be ideal. I was concerned about the high wattage that you mentioned in your previous replies and started looking for 60 cm with just 2 hobs to ensure low wattage which has not resulted in great success. I have not given up though - I decided to go a bit flexible with my search by going for 60 cm with 3 hobs but the wattage seems to be hitting 6400 W and above depending on brands which may also require some extra wiring works to be done. Hence, I was feeling lost - sorry for the caps earlier, I typed so fast and I didn't realise it was all caps till I read your "RELAX"!! smile.gif
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i have never come across 60cm with just 2 zones. smaller than 60cm yes. getting a 3 zone 60cm is better
as for low wattage - why would you want a low wattage hob?
you want the highest power ones when doing comparison.
this is not like a 5 watt LED bulb giving the equivalent brightness of a 50 watt incandescent bulb kinda of thing.
you can control the power output just like you can turn down the fire on a gas hob but at the same time, you want the hob to have the capability of a higher power range in comparison to other hobs
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---> @idoblu - I only realised that today. Was really tired searching for 60 cm with 2 zones. Which pushed me now to consider 60 cm with 3 zones but am not sure if I can get within about RM 2K - 2.5K. Need to survey a little bit more. If you know of any that is available in Malaysia - please do suggest. Thanks for educating me further on the wattage. Will certainly bear these tips inmy mind and include them in my decision making process.
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For some reason I misread it as 52 cm wide right from the day @idoblu and you recommended it. But, now I feel 45 cm is too small although I have not seen it person. I think 60 cm would be ideal. I was concerned about the high wattage that you mentioned in your previous replies and started looking for 60 cm with just 2 hobs to ensure low wattage which has not resulted in great success. I have not given up though - I decided to go a bit flexible with my search by going for 60 cm with 3 hobs but the wattage seems to be hitting 6400 W and above depending on brands which may also require some extra wiring works to be done. Hence, I was feeling lost - sorry for the caps earlier, I typed so fast and I didn't realise it was all caps till I read your "RELAX"!! smile.gif
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Haha Ya I look at the diagram that late nite and thought 520, suppose to be 450.... tongue.gif
Yup, don't get that unit. It's too small and you can only use one zone at a time. Get the 3 zone.

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Relax! Just choose what you are comfortable with?

The 45cm Teka IR421 is not big or small either, you have extra 15cm of countertop space.
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Hey S'aimer,


Thought I will share the quote I received from Xammax few minutes ago :



http://www.xammax.my/teka-integrated-hood-tl1-62.html

http://www.xammax.my/catalogsearch/result/?q=IR+421


TL168 - RM 750 - 25%

IR421 - RM3500 - 25%

promotion price - rm 3188

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If you see it differently,

The overall wattage of the stove will also impact electrical bill based on usage. Is it daily or once in a while?

As Career26 mentioned she is intending to do light cooking which equates to not that frequent cooking in my opinion of what is frequent and what is not so frequent. which is why I think a 2 zone hob is good for her usage pattern.

But if it's frequent, then a 3 zone hob is enough.

Try measuring 45cm vs 60cm with a measuring tape on a table. You can have a better idea of whether it is small or not.

The promotion price for RM3188 is for both? I doubt you can get 2-2.5k for induction hob as induction hobs are more expensive than vitroceramic hobs unless there is a sale on. Speaking of which, christmas is coming up and there could be a christmas sale?
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If you see it differently,

The overall wattage of the stove will also impact electrical bill based on usage. Is it daily or once in a while?

As Career26 mentioned she is intending to do light cooking which equates to not that frequent cooking in my opinion of what is frequent and what is not so frequent. which is why I think a 2 zone hob is good for her usage pattern. But if it's frequent, then a 3 zone hob is enough.

---> Good to know you are awake! smile.gif 2 - 3 times a week in the beginning and gradually to increase 3 - 4 times a week. Need time to get used to staying by myself smile.gif So would you regard that as frequent or infrequent?


Try measuring 45cm vs 60cm with a measuring tape on a table. You can have a better idea of whether it is small or not.

---> Will do that tomorrow first thing. I am thinking if I could drop by Xammax to have a look at if they have the stock in store.


The promotion price for RM3188 is for both?

---> Yes for both. The Teka IR421 is quoted at RM3000 less 25% = RM2625.

                             The hood, RM 750 less 25% = RM 563.00

                              Total price + 2625 + 563 = RM 3188


I doubt you can get 2-2.5k for induction hob as induction hobs are more expensive than vitroceramic hobs unless there is a sale on. Speaking of which, christmas is coming up and there could be a christmas sale?

----> I hope so. It's just that I am meeting my KC maker this Saturday to finalize my quote and design; which means I need to give them the dimension for hob, hood, fridge, microwave and sink.  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  And I am still not done with finalising the hob.
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Electrolux having their annual Knock Out Sale this 15th November
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Thanks for sharing - I wish they have 3 zones hob. They only have the models with 4 zones listed on their website. Will email them to ask.
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Anyone bought or use this Vees deli cooker?it takes me one hour jz to boil a kettle of water!crazy!the funniest thing is that their technician told me this is normal! it's really unacceptable on this! Can anyone share ur experience on this pls? Don think it takes such a long time to cook right?
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I'm a night owl so no worries.

2-3 times a week would be infrequent because there are 7 days in a week. So it would be 4-5 days without cooking

If 3-4 times a week, it would be in between infrequent and frequent considering, it would be 3-4 days without cooking.

If you cook 4-5 times a week, that would be frequent because it would be a long time affair with the stove and fridge due to food stock up and the no of zones to prepare a fast meal.

Regarding the teka stove n hood from xammax. If you got RM50 voucher from xammax to offset the total price, you can think of it as this.. RM2625-RM50 = RM2575 which would then be less of a stretch on your maximum budget for stove by RM75 only because the hood is cheap.


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I'm a night owl so no worries.

2-3 times a week would be infrequent because there are 7 days in a week. So it would be 4-5 days without cooking

If 3-4 times a week, it would be in between infrequent and frequent considering, it would be 3-4 days without cooking.

If you cook 4-5 times a week, that would be frequent because it would be a long time affair with the stove and fridge due to food stock up and the no of zones to prepare a fast meal.

---> Based on the way you described my frequency of cooking, I think it will stay 3 - 4 times a week for at least a year or so, before I "fully" move in to my place. So it actually gives me 2 options - I can go for 2 zone hob or 3 zones hob (considering future usage) if the price is reasonable. If price is too much to stretch, I will probably settle for a 2 zone that comes with a lesser dimension (not 60 cm).

Regarding the teka stove n hood from xammax. If you got RM50 voucher from xammax to offset the total price, you can think of it as this.. RM2625-RM50 = RM2575 which would then be less of a stretch on your maximum budget for stove by RM75 only because the hood is cheap.

---> Yeah. I have actually spoken to one of the staff to quote me on various other 60 cm models and I will then start my negotiation. I am not sure if the 25% discount applies to all appliances or all hobs. Will post my findings.

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Hey guys,

By the way, I bumped into this Faber induction hob while browsing but did not find much reviews on it. http://www.faberappliances.com.my/bih_i_fic2220s.php
It's a 69 cm and less than 2K. I was a bit skeptic as there were no reviews available and considering the price is dead cheap for an induction hob. Appreciate your input.
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You need to take into consideration Induction hob lifespan are short, therefore get a reputable brand product easier to claim warranty. Never the less the radiant type hob is not that reliable too (especially with the fancy controller).

Is simple, electronic stuff just don't go well with heat.
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Also another brand called, Franke that I looked at last night. This is a 60 cm but 4 zones though but that's the only model listed on the website - http://www.franke.com/content/kitchensyste.../induction.html

I am not sure if they carry the 2 zones / 3 zones. A company called Signature Obicorp in Malaysia carries them. I have emailed them with my questions and waiting to hear from them.

But in the mean time, would like to hear from anyone here is aware of the brand and has personal experience using them.
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I am going to make a confession - with all this wattage, amps, power, technicalities - I AM COMPLETELY LOST!  rclxub.gif  sweat.gif  rclxub.gif  My search process is based on the following factors:

1. 60 cm
2. 2 zones
3. Low wattage
4. Reasonably priced and reliable brand

Am I still on the right track or am I missing out something ?

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Career26,

Sorry to step on the brakes to back track. You raise a very pertinent point and point 3 here raise some misgivings I have concerning putting the cart before the horse.

To clarify: this place of yours how recent is the development? If in pre-2004, I hazard a guess that they planned for gas cooking using 60cm or domino hob style. If later or was renovated before and has an induction/heat plate/vitroceramic hob before chances are high wattage wiring is in place.

Otherwise to assume the worst, all electrical is shared off a single 13A or 15A line for fridge, hood and other electrical appliances like kettle, toaster, microwave. At best it's two lines 13A and 15A. Even better if provision was made for electrical cooking is 13A and 20-25A.

If it's an old place, I'm guessing that by buying such a hob, that you'll be doing some form of renovation including adding high amp (20A at least) electrical wiring for this purpose. Hence the rest of this is based on this assumption.

If adding electrical point is not considered as part of the renovation, I recommend revisiting the core assumptions above. You can enlist an electrician help do a sanity check.

Low wattage means less than 4800W (20A or 4800/240)? That means it needs a separate dedicated apart from fridge, hood. Because if the development is older than 1990s, chances are unless there was previous renovation (with an electrical hob evident), no one in those days would foresee the possibility cooking with electricity and chances are they have only one 13A point in the kitchen or at best one 13A or one 15A.

Not that I want to spoil your renovation journey but by knowing this in itself beforehand is to be sure that we know where you stand and don't give advice in a misleading manner. Not a problem if the electricals are known - I assume here that by saying low wattage there's something in mind between 15A to 20A. But if you don't yet know, better to sort that out first then you can see for sure what options lies before you.
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All incoming from tnb need to use 230v for calculation. Tnv officially supply 230v no longer 240v

I will use 220v for calculation, because the incoming always have variance. Is best to over spec than having problem later.

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Career26,

Sorry to step on the brakes to back track. You raise a very pertinent point and point 3 here raise some misgivings I have concerning putting the cart before the horse.

To clarify: this place of yours how recent is the development? If in pre-2004, I hazard a guess that they planned for gas cooking using 60cm or domino hob style. If later or was renovated before and has an induction/heat plate/vitroceramic hob before chances are high wattage wiring is in place.

Otherwise to assume the worst, all electrical is shared off a single 13A or 15A line for fridge, hood and other electrical appliances like kettle, toaster, microwave. At best it's two lines 13A and 15A. Even better if provision was made for electrical cooking is 13A and 20-25A.

If it's an old place, I'm guessing that by buying such a hob, that you'll be doing some form of renovation including adding high amp (20A at least) electrical wiring for this purpose. Hence the rest of this is based on this assumption.

If adding electrical point is not considered as part of the renovation, I recommend revisiting the core assumptions above.  You can enlist an electrician help do a sanity check.

Low wattage means less than 4800W (20A or 4800/240)? That means it needs a separate dedicated apart from fridge, hood. Because if the development is older than 1990s, chances are unless there was previous renovation (with an electrical hob evident), no one in those days would foresee the possibility cooking with electricity and chances are they have only one 13A point in the kitchen or at best one 13A or one 15A.

Not that I want to spoil your renovation journey but by knowing this in itself beforehand is to be sure that we know where you stand and don't give advice in a misleading manner. Not a problem if the electricals are known - I assume here that by saying low wattage there's something in mind between 15A to 20A. But if you don't yet know, better to sort that out first then you can see for sure what options lies before you.
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All incoming from tnb need to use 230v for calculation. Tnv officially supply 230v no longer 240v

I will use 220v for calculation, because the incoming always have variance. Is best to over spec than having problem later.
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It would depend on how well you maintain & use the hob.

My old vitroceramic ariston hob is already close to 7 years and still working! It has seen frequent cooking as well and only 1 time, the fuse blew but that was fixed and no other problem came up that required me to call ariston's service centre either.

QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 11 2014, 09:54 AM)
You need to take into consideration Induction hob lifespan are short, therefore get a reputable brand product easier to claim warranty. Never the less the radiant type hob is not that reliable too (especially with the fancy controller). 

Is simple, electronic stuff just don't go well with heat.
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It would depend on how well you maintain & use the hob.

My old vitroceramic ariston hob is already close to 7 years and still working! It has seen frequent cooking as well and only 1 time, the fuse blew but that was fixed and no other problem came up that required me to call ariston's service centre either.
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Friend just replace his 3 years Vitro hob from JF Home, and my colleague Teka induction claim warranty 3 times, funny the same model Teka, his sister using much longer without issue. Could be luck, or the usage pattern. Both seldom cook.

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Ya depend on luck & usage pattern?

I choose not to seal the hob sides to my countertop because if have problem, can take out. It's fuss free. Need to make sure the hole is a proper fit

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Friend just replace his 3 years Vitro hob from JF Home, and my colleague Teka induction claim warranty 3 times, funny the same model Teka, his sister using much longer without issue.  Could be luck, or the usage pattern. Both seldom cook.
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Career26,

Sorry to step on the brakes to back track. You raise a very pertinent point and point 3 here raise some misgivings I have concerning putting the cart before the horse.

To clarify: this place of yours how recent is the development? If in pre-2004, I hazard a guess that they planned for gas cooking using 60cm or domino hob style. If later or was renovated before and has an induction/heat plate/vitroceramic hob before chances are high wattage wiring is in place.

Otherwise to assume the worst, all electrical is shared off a single 13A or 15A line for fridge, hood and other electrical appliances like kettle, toaster, microwave. At best it's two lines 13A and 15A. Even better if provision was made for electrical cooking is 13A and 20-25A.

If it's an old place, I'm guessing that by buying such a hob, that you'll be doing some form of renovation including adding high amp (20A at least) electrical wiring for this purpose. Hence the rest of this is based on this assumption.

If adding electrical point is not considered as part of the renovation, I recommend revisiting the core assumptions above.  You can enlist an electrician help do a sanity check.

Low wattage means less than 4800W (20A or 4800/240)? That means it needs a separate dedicated apart from fridge, hood. Because if the development is older than 1990s, chances are unless there was previous renovation (with an electrical hob evident), no one in those days would foresee the possibility cooking with electricity and chances are they have only one 13A point in the kitchen or at best one 13A or one 15A.

Not that I want to spoil your renovation journey but by knowing this in itself beforehand is to be sure that we know where you stand and don't give advice in a misleading manner. Not a problem if the electricals are known - I assume here that by saying low wattage there's something in mind between 15A to 20A. But if you don't yet know, better to sort that out first then you can see for sure what options lies before you.
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My apartment is a recent project - 2013. Thanks a lot for the concern raised and educating me. So much of details - really need time to digest them, at least for me. smile.gif ..... The whole reno journey is a first time affair for me - it is extremely stressful to handle everything by myself with no or less knowledge in planning a renovation. Not sure what I will do without internet and all of you. Forumers here have been very generous in sharing their experience.

From most of your inputs, I gather that, it is better to get my electrician's advice on the wiring requirement before I purchase my hob. Will do that, certainly as a first step. In the meantime I will continue to scout for my choice of hobs.


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For me, I never had to seek advice from my electrician for my hob wiring before purchasing the hob

Usually electricians should advise you on the wiring type after you have purchased the hob so that he knows the power rating for it.

But as halcyon27 asked about your condo period, then it is better to check with the condo management on the wiring as they should know best whether the wiring is meant to accommodate high or low wattage for electrical hobs or appliances.

Unlike landed property where owners can plan and even add new electrical setups, it is different for condos due to building restrictions and limitations regarding renovation because firstly the whole block is on same water supply, piping lines etc and probably similar electrical lines. Also maintenance for water supply and electrical supply is usually handled by the JMB for the condo if I am not mistaken. It might differ or vary among the management for each condo though.
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Career26 - glad to be of help. For new development, well it's easier to check if you still have the brochure. Most would state bill of materials listing type of materials for floor, walls, windows, door, plumbing points, AC/lighting/fan/water heater points. Often, some will state how many electrical points at each location. Not many will state of these electrical points per location, how many are rated at what amperage (13A, 15A, 20A, etc.). Then confirm with developer as what S'aimer suggested if can add electrical point if necessary. Good luck and looking forward to your renovation journey sharing.


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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Nov 12 2014, 06:53 AM)
Career26 - glad to be of help. For new development, well it's easier to check if you still have the brochure. Most would state bill of materials listing type of materials for floor, walls, windows, door, plumbing points, AC/lighting/fan/water heater points. Often, some will state how many electrical points at each location. Not many will state of these electrical points per location, how many are rated at what amperage (13A, 15A, 20A, etc.). Then confirm with developer as what S'aimer suggested if can add electrical point if necessary. Good luck and looking forward to your renovation journey sharing.
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Hi there,

Thanks again. Got your message while having my breakfast. Thought I will post part of the brochure snapshot which I had it in my phone. Please refer to the Electrical installation details mentioned.


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QUOTE(Career26 @ Nov 12 2014, 07:52 AM)
Hi there,

Thanks again. Got your message while having my breakfast. Thought I will post part of the brochure snapshot which I had it in my phone. Please refer to the Electrical installation details mentioned.

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Base on your plan, it missing some heater and aircon point. You only have 5 socket point which hall, dining and 3 room each. So it look like normal apartment with 32A DB for main.

If you plan to have aircon, heater, cooker, hood, washing machine etc, somehow you need to hack and add. No choice for you.

So plan ahead how you want your wiring done.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 12 2014, 11:06 AM)
Base on your plan, it missing some heater and aircon point. You only have 5 socket point which hall, dining and 3 room each. So it look like normal apartment with 32A DB for main.

If you plan to have aircon, heater, cooker, hood, washing machine etc, somehow you need to hack and add. No choice for you.

So plan ahead how you want your wiring done.
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---> I am not sure why they are not mentioned in the brochure - but during my inspection at the unit after collecting the key, I saw they do have water heater and aircond points.

Aircond points ( living and 3 bedrooms)
Water heater (2 bathrooms)


Washing machine is to be placed at the yard. Nevertheless, I will get my electrician to do a sanity check as pointed out by another forum friend here. Thanks smile.gif


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---> I am not sure why they are not mentioned in the brochure - but during my inspection at the unit after collecting the key, I saw they do have water heater and aircond points.

Aircond points ( living and 3 bedrooms)
Water heater (2 bathrooms)
Washing machine is to be placed at the yard. Nevertheless, I will get my electrician to do a sanity check as pointed out by another forum friend here. Thanks smile.gif

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Air cond points between 13-15A depending upon HP.
Water heater point usually 20A.

Perhaps their brochure too brief and missing a few things.

Get electrician to confirm the max amperage supplied to your MCB if it's 32A or 63A? With the latter you have some leeway with not so often encountered nuisance trips.

Nusiance tripping means AC on, water heater on and suddenly by turning on an extra appliance say hair dryer, the circuit trips at one DB (fuse) point.

With 32A alone, I'm afraid that's very restricted into what additional high wattage equipment that can be used without the possibility of nuisance tripping. For that you can explore with management if it's feasible to upgrade your MCB.

BTW, some of Cleanup kitchen storage concepts fit your layout. They were meant for small places and their storage options shines where space is limited. Just that they are not cheap shakehead.gif But if your carpenter or kitchen specialist can do what they can do on budget...wow...can I have his contact?

Good luck.

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Friends,

I managed to get a snapshot of Electrical installation layouts from my home owner's manual. For all those poured their inputs based on various assumption, I hope the shots are clear enough for you to study the layout and advise me accordingly. Thanks guys smile.gif





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Looks like you have 63A for your DB (can the others confirm this too?)

Based on your electrical layout, you do have electrical points for aircons, heater (20A gang switch, but no 15A switch socket faceplate because the aircons and heaters have their plugs for 15A switch sockets while the 20A gang switch is like a relay to turn on the aircon or heater)

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I managed to get a snapshot of Electrical installation layouts from my home owner's manual. For all those poured their inputs based on various assumption, I hope the shots are clear enough for you to study the layout and advise me accordingly. Thanks guys smile.gif

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Looks like it too. That's good. Career26, it looks like last two slots are spare 20A. If you can, take a photo of your DB box with the fuse clearly shown and post it here so we can see and compare that with the DB box layout plan.
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From the plan, you still have to tarik a 4mm wire to the kitchen if you want to install a cooker and hob. And a 32A MB. The easy way less hacking is go through the top if you plan to plaster ceiling. Just hack the DB box wall and the cooker place wall to conceal the wire.

Your B/5 2socket probably need for fridge and others. While the B/4 2socket is probably for WM (yard) and you can't share with cooker anymore. Both wire are 2.5mm size.
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Isn't a 10mm better?

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From the plan, you still have to tarik a 4mm wire to the kitchen if you want to install a cooker and hob. And a 32A MB. The easy way less hacking is go through the top if you plan to plaster ceiling. Just hack the DB box wall and the cooker place wall to conceal the wire.

Your B/5 2socket probably need for fridge and others. While the B/4 2socket is probably for WM (yard) and you can't share with cooker anymore. Both wire are 2.5mm size.
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Isn't a 10mm better?
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She haven't decided yet. Still considering between a 2 zone and a 3 zone or 4 zone induction hob at the moment.

But I assume that, cooking hob, hood will need dedicated wiring and if not a built in oven, there is a possibility of a table top microwave or microwave with convectional function in future???

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She haven't decided yet. Still considering between a 2 zone and a 3 zone or 4 zone induction hob at the moment.

But I assume that, cooking hob, hood will need dedicated wiring and if not a built in oven, there is a possibility of a table top microwave or microwave with convectional function in future???
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You only can have hood and hob on the dedicate wiring. Can't have other appliance and share.

Still got 3 wall socket. Use that 3 for other applicance.

4mm size can use max 4800w.
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That i know on the no sharing part.

Only thing is.. A 2 zone hob is 4800W while a 3 and 4 zone can be anywhere between 6000-800W for nominal rating.

That's why I ask if 10mm is best although 6mm might be good enough?

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You only can have hood and hob on the dedicate wiring. Can't have other appliance and share.

Still got 3 wall socket. Use that 3 for other applicance.

4mm size can use max 4800w.
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She haven't decided yet. Still considering between a 2 zone and a 3 zone or 4 zone induction hob at the moment.

But I assume that, cooking hob, hood will need dedicated wiring and if not a built in oven, there is a possibility of a table top microwave or microwave with convectional function in future???
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--->S'aimer is right - I am still considering between those three types of induction.

There will be no built-in oven. The kitchen will have 4 major appliances, namely:

1. hood - http://teka.com.my/my/products/view/13039-hoods-tl1_62

2. induction hob - options i am looking at are the following:

- http://www.xammax.my/teka-induction-hob-ib-610.html
- http://www.teka.com.my/en/products/view/22004-hobs-ir_421
- http://www.rinnai.com.my/product/category/14/34
- http://www.rinnai.com.my/product/category/14/33
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3. Fridge - haven't done much research yet, but I was looking at Hitachi & Panasonic lately which I quite liked it. http://hitachiconsumer.com.my/files/pdf/fr...tylish_line.pdf & http://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/kitch...6sn.specs.html- Will be comparing with other brands of a smilar type. So probably you can use the tech specs available for Hitachi & Panasonic for discussion/planning purposes.


4. Microwave - Have not checked out but certainly this will be placed at one of the allocated compartment n the kitchen cabinet.


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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Nov 13 2014, 04:03 PM)
Looks like it too. That's good. Career26, it looks like last two slots are spare 20A. If you can, take a photo of your DB box with the fuse clearly shown and post it here so we can see and compare that with the DB box layout plan.
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Sure halcyon27. Will be visiting the apartment unit to meet with some contractors on this Saturday. I will take a photo of the DB while I am there, and post it here.
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 13 2014, 08:28 PM)
That i know on the no sharing part.

Only thing is.. A 2 zone hob is 4800W while a 3 and 4 zone can be anywhere between 6000-800W for nominal rating.

That's why I ask if 10mm is best although 6mm might be good enough?
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Wow, do you really need that high watt? That freaking high consumption. Using gas cheaper?

6mm is enough.
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 13 2014, 08:28 PM)
That i know on the no sharing part.

Only thing is.. A 2 zone hob is 4800W while a 3 and 4 zone can be anywhere between 6000-800W for nominal rating.

That's why I ask if 10mm is best although 6mm might be good enough?
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umm...I am just being a silent reader of the question and answer here as I know nothing technically. I may have to compile all these questions / comments and check with my electrician.
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Bro, you should read back the last few pages.

Career26's shortlisted choices have nominal power connection of 6400-8000W although not confirm on her final choice

Most induction and vitroceramic hobs have high W depending on the no of zones.

Assuming we do not utilize all, maybe 3 out of 4 zones for example... Still will be up to 4000-5000W as an estimate so 4mm can carry all max? Lol that's why asking whether 6mm is enough or 10mm still better?

Gas would be cheaper but there's space constraints in the kitchen and her hob size must be 60cm. Hardly see 60cm gas hobs which is limited. That's why induction hob next alternative.

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Wow, do you really need that high watt? That freaking high consumption. Using gas cheaper?

6mm is enough.
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 13 2014, 11:16 PM)
Bro, you should read back the last few pages.

Career26's shortlisted choices have nominal power connection of 6400-8000W although not confirm on her final choice

Most induction and vitroceramic hobs have high W depending on the no of zones.

Assuming we do not utilize all, maybe 3 out of 4 zones for example... Still will be up to 4000-5000W as an estimate so 4mm can carry all max? Lol that's why asking whether 6mm is enough or 10mm still better?

Gas would be cheaper but there's space constraints in the kitchen and her hob size must be 60cm. Hardly see 60cm gas hobs which is limited. That's why induction hob next alternative.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 13 2014, 10:18 PM)
Wow, do you really need that high watt? That freaking high consumption. Using gas cheaper?

6mm is enough.
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QUOTE(Career26 @ Nov 13 2014, 10:21 PM)
umm...I am just being a silent reader of the question and answer here as I know nothing technically. I may have to compile all these questions / comments and check with my electrician.
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In some sense I agree with ozak. Consult your electrician and ask especially if nuisance trips are likely and how to mitigate if possible. It could be such a way that ozak describes but if it still trips, cooking will be disrupted. Your hood can be off the 13A shared with fridge and microwave. Hood normally don't consume as high power if use LED lights. It's the cooker that has the high power requirement. That's where you have to decide pending upon electrician's advice if you still want to add dedicated power line for electrical hob.

One suggestion by electrician is if it's still decided to go with electric cooking is 3 phase. Normally this would be asked by developer before hand. I actually did that in my very old condo. But to add 3 phase after this... I don't know if such an option is possible since for my case I added it while they were still under construction.

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 13 2014, 11:16 PM)
Bro, you should read back the last few pages.

Career26's shortlisted choices have nominal power connection of 6400-8000W although not confirm on her final choice

Most induction and vitroceramic hobs have high W depending on the no of zones.

Assuming we do not utilize all, maybe 3 out of 4 zones for example... Still will be up to 4000-5000W as an estimate so 4mm can carry all max? Lol that's why asking whether 6mm is enough or 10mm still better?

Gas would be cheaper but there's space constraints in the kitchen and her hob size must be 60cm. Hardly see 60cm gas hobs which is limited. That's why induction hob next alternative.
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If want play safe, 6mm if enough. You can go higher, but wire cost is not cheap. Do some costing and see what best. Decide the wattage cooker than sizing the wire.

I have a 58cm 4 burner gas cooker. A display unit in the kitchen. tongue.gif while using 1800w induction cooker. From experience, I won't go over 3600w for a induction cooker. My meal will be expensive. sweat.gif

Let say a 4500w run for 1/2hr cook each day and only use 1/2mth cooking, the consumption can suck 34kwh/mth. That 34kwh x 0.334= Rm11.3/mth. If full mth cook......

So a gas cooker will be lower cost? How much a gas tank? Installation cheaper? Just some suggestion TS.


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I think it is not a problem for her as she is single and doing light cooking?

QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 14 2014, 01:00 AM)
If want play safe, 6mm if enough. You can go higher, but wire cost is not cheap. Do some costing and see what best. Decide the wattage cooker than sizing the wire.

I have a 58cm 4 burner gas cooker. A display unit in the kitchen.  tongue.gif  while using 1800w induction cooker. From experience, I won't go over 3600w for a induction cooker. My meal will be expensive. sweat.gif 

Let say a 4500w run for 1/2hr cook each day and only use 1/2mth cooking, the consumption can suck 34kwh/mth. That 34kwh x 0.334= Rm11.3/mth. If full mth cook......

So a gas cooker will be lower cost? How much a gas tank? Installation cheaper? Just some suggestion TS.
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Friends,

1. I am revising my shortlisted options for Induction hobs (might be opting for 30 cm modular hobs - Teka brand mostly are out of stock and will not be available till end of January). - 2 zones, low wattage, more space on the counter top, aesthetically nice and able to get one at below 2K. I will present my list here once I am done.

2. I am getting an Electrician to do a sanity check as advised by halycon27. I will also post a photo of the actual DB box here in the forum as suggested by him for further discussion if needed.

3. I am not considering gas due to space constraints and the hassle of changing gas cylinder, and allocating a whole available space for the cylinder. S'aimer has summarised enough of why I discounted the idea of having gas.

4. I need a help. Can someone help to come up with a checklist of questions that I should ask the electrician?
Do I need to check with the developer anything on the existing electrical wiring?

Appreciate all your inputs presented so far. smile.gif


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If u decide on a teka model, can ask them to reserve for you 1st and get the dimensions for it.

30cm is also fine but you won't be able to use both zones at the same time to cook because the zones are spaced closely and not ideal for for using big and small utensils together. The old hob Im using before is a 30cm.

Hm the current wiring is new if your place is a recent project, but it would be good if your electrician checks that the wiring is properly done for peace of mind because some developers can cut material quality to save cost. Ensure your electrician is a good one, not the type to BS and chop carrot fast)

Since you need to put in new wiring dedicated to cooking hob, you need to check which side is the hob's wire on? Left or right side because the hob's wire which is the wire for plug but without a plug..needs to be run underneath and out of the cabinets side if necessary to connect to the wall socket outside.

The location of the socket is as important since your KC maker will need to work around it for the hob.

What else am I missing out? hmm.gif

QUOTE(Career26 @ Nov 14 2014, 05:02 PM)
Friends,

1. I am revising my shortlisted options for Induction hobs (might be opting for 30 cm modular hobs - Teka brand mostly are out of stock and will not be available till end of January). - 2 zones, low wattage, more space on the counter top, aesthetically nice and able to get one at below 2K. I will present my list here once I am done.

2. I am getting an Electrician to do a sanity check as advised by halycon27. I will also post a photo of the actual DB box here in the forum as suggested by him for further discussion if needed.

3. I am not considering gas due to space constraints and the hassle of changing gas cylinder, and allocating a whole available space for the cylinder. S'aimer has summarised enough of why I discounted the idea of having gas.

4. I need a help. Can someone help to come up with a checklist of questions that I should ask the electrician?
Do I need to check with the developer anything on the existing electrical wiring?

Appreciate all your inputs presented so far. smile.gif

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 14 2014, 07:27 PM)
If u decide on a teka model, can ask them to reserve for you 1st and get the dimensions for it.

---> I have got the dimensions but I am not sure if dealers could reserve. Will check. I am checking out Electrolux model: http://www.electrolux.com.my/Products/Kitc...on_Hobs/EEH353C

30cm is also fine but you won't be able to use both zones at the same time to cook because the zones are spaced closely and not ideal for for using big and small utensils together. The old hob Im using before is a 30cm.


Hm the current wiring is new if your place is a recent project, but it would be good if your electrician checks that the wiring is properly done for peace of mind because some developers can cut material quality to save cost. Ensure your electrician is a good one, not the type to BS and chop carrot fast) .

---> I am stuck without a contact for professional electrician. Searching for one to do some sanity checking before I decide to buy appliances.

Since you need to put in new wiring dedicated to cooking hob, you need to check which side is the hob's wire on? Left or right side because the hob's wire which is the wire for plug but without a plug..needs to be run underneath and out of the cabinets side if necessary to connect to the wall socket outside.

--->I was informed by Teka sales person that a modular unit can be installed sideways (horizontally) so long as the cabinet maker follows the installation instructions


The location of the socket is as important since your KC maker will need to work around it for the hob.

What else am I missing out?  hmm.gif
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For my old hob, it was vertically installed. Looks nicer?. It seems that the wire behind my old hob is either at the side or the top so it depends on which side is it for the switch location.

I show you a pic of my current hob wire at the back.

You see the wire at the back of my hob? It's on the right side at the back, the front right side is where the knobs are. So the location of the switch and dedicated wiring needs to be on the right for me initially. However because the wire is behind the hob, so when install the hob, the wire will have to be fitted with a 15A plug and then plugged into the socket switch underneath the countertop.

It can be quite troublesome if you have to bend down and turn on the switch everyday.. In my case, it was a cocked up problem by the tiling contractor who did my counter top as his workers covered one of the empty socket outlet with one of the leg support. Had to ask my electrician to work out the socket position and wiring issue due to this.

Which is why I said you need to know the location of your hob's wire before deciding on the switch location.

I think you can get them to reserve if new stock confirm to arrive & you put deposit?

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 14 2014, 08:36 PM)
For my old hob, it was vertically installed. Looks nicer?. It seems that the wire behind my old hob is either at the side or the top so it depends on which side is it for the switch location.

I show you a pic of my current hob wire at the back.

You see the wire at the back of my hob? It's on the right side at the back, the front right side is where the knobs are. So the location of the switch and dedicated wiring needs to be on the right for me initially. However because the wire is behind the hob, so when install the hob, the wire will have to be fitted with a 15A plug and then plugged into the socket switch underneath the countertop.

It can be quite troublesome if you have to bend down and turn on the switch everyday.. In my case, it was a cocked up problem by the tiling contractor who did my counter top as his workers covered one of the empty socket outlet with one of the leg support. Had to ask my electrician to work out the socket position and wiring issue due to this.

Which is why I said you need to know the location of your hob's wire before deciding on the switch location.

I think you can get them to reserve if new stock confirm to arrive & you put deposit?
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Ask idoblu how to do the switch direct wiring. Place the switch as you like.
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Bro, my kitchen countertop is tiled concrete support. Normally there are 2 end leg supports. But mine ended up with 2 extra leg support in the middle and it's 11ft. For some odd reason, the tiling contractor mention that the extra leg supports are better and more stable when we came back from our trip only to find they anyhow do the concrete top! Sian 1/2 sad.gif

But I suspect la the contractor's workers don't have enough experience with doing concrete counter top and some more one of the leg support cover the only available empty embedded outlet below meant for the switch face plate and new wiring. End up having a headache on the wiring as there is one empty outlet just outside the already tiled concrete support, that's why I throw the problem to electrician to help solve.

My wiring is like this :

15A Switch socket external box inside the countertop ---> Blank faceplate outside the counter top ---> 32A gang switch above. It's an L shape diagram with a router at the corner.


That's why Career26 got to know where is her hob wiring position so she can decide on the switch position and get thE KC maker to work on it
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Ask idoblu how to do the switch direct wiring. Place the switch as you like.
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 14 2014, 10:38 PM)
Bro, my kitchen countertop is tiled concrete support. Normally there are 2 end leg supports. But mine ended up with 2 extra leg support in the middle and it's 11ft. For some odd reason, the tiling contractor mention that the extra leg supports are better and more stable when we came back from our trip only to find they anyhow do the concrete top! Sian 1/2  sad.gif

But I suspect la the contractor's workers don't have enough experience with doing concrete counter top and some more one of the leg support cover the only available empty embedded outlet below meant for the switch face plate and new wiring. End up having a headache on the wiring as there is one empty outlet just outside the already tiled concrete support, that's why I throw the problem to electrician to help solve. 

My wiring is like this :

15A Switch socket external box inside the countertop  ---> Blank faceplate outside the counter top ---> 32A gang switch above. It's an L shape diagram with a router at the corner.
That's why Career26 got to know where is her hob wiring position so she can decide on the switch position and get thE KC maker to work on it
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I m a bit blur blur from your explanation. Can you draw out or take a picture? Seems like not a problem or difficult thing.
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Paiseh, not good at explaining.

Hope my rough drawing helps.

As you can see the bank faceplate is outside the already tiled counter top as the electrician had already put the outlets in the wall for electrical points.

Only the 15A switch socket has external switch box on the wall because original outlet meant for hob's plug was covered by one of the leg support. The electrician had to think of how to put in the wiring for the 15A's switchbox as the obstacle was the tiled concrete support.

So it's better to plan around the switch location for hob and get the KC maker to make provision or else *facepalm*

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I m a bit blur blur from your explanation. Can you draw out or take a picture?  Seems like not a problem or difficult thing.
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 15 2014, 12:11 AM)
Paiseh, not good at explaining.

Hope my rough drawing helps.

As you can see the bank faceplate is outside the already tiled counter top as the electrician had already put the outlets in the wall for electrical points.

Only the 15A switch socket has external switch box on the wall because original outlet meant for hob's plug was covered by one of the leg support. The electrician had to think of how to put in the wiring for the 15A's switchbox as the obstacle was the tiled concrete support.

So it's better to plan around the switch location for hob and get the KC maker to make provision or else *facepalm*
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So my understanding is you already have the 32a wall switch for the cooker? And already have wiring down to the blank wall socket? Only haven't joint to the 15a switch socket?

Your induction cooker will be using max 3600W since you will plug into the 15a socket.

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Ya, I have already joined to the 15A switch socket via the blank switch socket to the 32A switch. The blank switch socket is technically what you call a routing point I suppose?

My vitro ceramic hob has nominal rating of 6000W so the nearest amp is 25 or 26A. The shop where I got my piano switches recommended 32A Gang switch instead of 45A DP switch because 32A can pair with individual 15A switch socket.

But my main point for Career26 is that the only issue is the hob's wiring is behind the hob so need to extend the wire upward to plug into a socket above than underneath the counter top. Mine cannot extend upward because the concrete counter top was done and no way to hack it. This was the only solution the electrician guy did for me.

This is because sometimes communications can be a little skewed between kitchen contractor and owner which is what happened between my tiling contractor and me.



QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 15 2014, 05:39 PM)
So my understanding is you already have the 32a wall switch for the cooker? And already have wiring down to the blank wall socket? Only haven't joint to the 15a switch socket?

Your induction cooker will be using max 3600W since you will plug into the 15a socket.
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 15 2014, 05:24 PM)
Ya, I have already joined to the 15A switch socket via the blank switch socket to the 32A switch. The blank switch socket is technically what you call a routing point I suppose?

My vitro ceramic hob has nominal rating of 6000W so the nearest amp is 25 or 26A. The shop where I got my piano switches recommended 32A Gang switch instead of 45A DP switch because 32A can pair with individual 15A switch socket.

But my main point for Career26 is that the only issue is the hob's wiring is behind the hob so need to extend the wire upward to plug into a socket above than underneath the counter top. Mine cannot extend upward because the concrete counter top was done and no way to hack it. This was the only solution the electrician guy did for me.

This is because sometimes communications can be a little skewed between kitchen contractor and owner which is what happened between my tiling contractor and me.
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The hob 6000w suck 25A. But the wall socket switch is 15A? Is that under rate? It going to melt down the socket. sweat.gif

The peino switch doesn't any related to the 15A switch. You just have 2 switch with 15A switch have an exceptional of a socket. Both peino 32A and 45A don't have any different in anything beside the rate. Choosing 45A have a better safety advantage.

From your explain, the blank socket inside suppose is a wire joining terminal? If in this case you may joint in this way.
Provided the hob wire is long enough reach to the blank socket.

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No. There is a 15A inside the countertop. The outside is the blank switch. The way I see it, it looks like the blank switch connects both 15A and 32A. For eg, I need to turn on the 15A, then switch on the 32A gang before I can use the hob.

That uncle from the shop asked me about the 32A and 45A, I explained it was for my electrical hob and he gave me the 32A switch. The electrician even said 32A is enough. The way I see it like this, if 45A DP has added socket switch based on what I saw in catalog, wouldn't the same principle apply to this?

QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 15 2014, 09:26 PM)
The hob 6000w suck 25A. But the wall socket switch is 15A? Is that under rate? It going to melt down the socket. sweat.gif

The peino switch doesn't any related to the 15A switch.  You just have 2 switch with 15A switch have an exceptional of a socket. Both peino 32A and 45A don't have any different in anything beside the rate. Choosing 45A have a better safety advantage.

From your explain, the blank socket inside suppose is a wire joining terminal? If in this case you may joint in this way.
Provided the hob wire is long enough reach to the blank socket.



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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 15 2014, 09:20 PM)
No. There is a 15A inside the countertop. The outside is the blank switch. The way I see it, it looks like the blank switch  connects both 15A and 32A. For eg, I need to turn on the 15A, then switch on the 32A gang before I can use the hob.

That uncle from the shop asked me about the 32A and 45A, I explained it was for my electrical hob and he gave me the 32A switch. The electrician even said 32A is enough. The way I see it like this, if 45A DP has added socket switch based on what I saw in catalog, wouldn't the same principle apply to this?

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I understand what you have there. But I saw some problem from your drawing and explain.

Have you realize that you going to plug your powerfull 25A cooker to a 15A socket switch? Did you see that the 15A figure is below the cooker rate of 25A.

Another is the blank switch case. Why can't the wire direct joint to the 15A switch from the 32A switch and must connect inside the blank switch case? So I figure it out that the blank switch case inside must be have a terminal that screw both wire joint together. Or probably a mistake in placing.

Given this 2 case, I draw out the solution. Instead the cooker plug into the 15A switch socket which is under rate, why not joint direct to the blank switch case. That is much safer and no additional cost need. Beside your electrician cost la. But that provided the cooker wire is long enough.

The 32A peino switch is find. Just the 45A switch given you 80% more safe. This 45A model have any different with your 32A switch now? --> http://www.schneider-electric.com/products...ed/60003-pieno/. But don't worry about it. It is find.



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To sum it up.

The problem actually lies with my counter top construction. Blame it on communication issue with the tiling contractor.

1. There was an existing outlet in the wall for new wiring and switch but it got covered wrongly.
2. Because of no. 1 point above, there is no other existing outlet in the wall underneath for the switch so electrician has to install external switch box for the hob's plug and the hob wire is not long enough to direct to the blank switch.
3. The blank switch outside the counter top is located on the low end of the wall and the space beside the counter top was allocated for a tall cabinet to house my built in oven. The only switches I can reach are the ones above on the wall, besides the 15A in my diagram.
4. I saw this model back then. E82T15D45N 45A double pole switch with 13A switch socket?

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I understand what you have there. But I saw some problem from your drawing and explain.

Have you realize that you going to plug your powerfull 25A cooker to a 15A socket switch? Did you see that the 15A figure is below the cooker rate of 25A.

Another is the blank switch case. Why can't the wire direct joint to the 15A switch from the 32A switch and must connect inside the blank switch case? So I figure it out that the blank switch case inside must be have a terminal that screw both wire joint together. Or probably a mistake in placing.

Given this 2 case, I draw out the solution. Instead the cooker plug into the 15A switch socket which is under rate, why not joint direct to the blank switch case. That is much safer and no additional cost need. Beside your electrician cost la. But that provided the cooker wire is long enough.

The 32A peino switch is find. Just the 45A switch given you 80% more safe. This 45A model have any different with your 32A switch now? --> http://www.schneider-electric.com/products...ed/60003-pieno/.  But don't worry about it. It is find.
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If your house is a single phase, using the electric hob at max already using 55% of your house incoming. If you have any water heater or few AC switch on together you risk tripping the main fused (if it don't trip will burn the wires). Must be careful about especially having party or gathering.
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Anyone using electrolux EGT9637CK and EFC926BAR ?

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I did not manage to get an electrician during my visit to my unit on Saturday. He did not turn up. sad.gif
However I manage to take photos of the DB as some of you requested earlier.

So for discussion sake, let's say I will be getting the following hood and hob:

1. Hob - Electrolux -http://www.electrolux.com.my/Products/Kitchen/Hobs/Induction_Hobs/EEH353C

2. Hood - Teka - http://www.teka.com/id/products/view/12917-hoods-tl1_62


I will be installing the modular hob horizontally as I mentioned in my previous post.
Now that the DB pics are up (hope they are clear enough for you guys to look at the technical information in order to advice me accordingly.

What do I need to ask the electrician if I want these both to be installed bearing in mind there should not be any nuisance trips?

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QUOTE(Career26 @ Nov 16 2014, 11:59 PM)
I did not manage to get an electrician during my visit to my unit on Saturday. He did not turn up. sad.gif
However I manage to take photos of the DB as some of you requested earlier.

So for discussion sake, let's say I will be getting the following hood and hob:

1. Hob - Electrolux -http://www.electrolux.com.my/Products/Kitchen/Hobs/Induction_Hobs/EEH353C

2. Hood - Teka - http://www.teka.com/id/products/view/12917-hoods-tl1_62
I will be installing the modular hob horizontally as I mentioned in my previous post.
Now that the DB pics are up (hope they are clear enough for you guys to look at the technical information in order to advice me accordingly.

What do I need to ask the electrician if I want these both to be installed bearing in mind there should not be any nuisance trips?

Thanks.

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Cool ur MCB all C16?
I guess you after install all the water heater & Aircon would be some turn into red one, even fridge.
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QUOTE(Career26 @ Nov 16 2014, 11:59 PM)
I did not manage to get an electrician during my visit to my unit on Saturday. He did not turn up. sad.gif
However I manage to take photos of the DB as some of you requested earlier.

So for discussion sake, let's say I will be getting the following hood and hob:

1. Hob - Electrolux -http://www.electrolux.com.my/Products/Kitchen/Hobs/Induction_Hobs/EEH353C

2. Hood - Teka - http://www.teka.com/id/products/view/12917-hoods-tl1_62
I will be installing the modular hob horizontally as I mentioned in my previous post.
Now that the DB pics are up (hope they are clear enough for you guys to look at the technical information in order to advice me accordingly.

What do I need to ask the electrician if I want these both to be installed bearing in mind there should not be any nuisance trips?

Thanks.

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Your DB box is not a problem. Can install additional or change the MCB.

What you need to do is decide your fridge, hood and hob or oven model first. Than go to kitchen design to design your kitchen. Once all this is done, you can clearly see where you want to place your switch and light. With the technical data that some forumner here suggest, than you can call the electrician come and quote.


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Cool ur MCB all C16?
I guess you after install all the water heater & Aircon would be some turn into red one, even fridge.
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---> Could you please explain that? I have no clue what you are saying and why you are asking if the MCB - all are C16. I am no expert in this electrical stuff and you will know that if you had read the thread from the beginning. rclxub.gif
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---> Could you please explain that? I have no clue what you are saying and why you are asking if the MCB - all are C16. I am no expert in this electrical stuff and you will know that if you had read the thread from the beginning.  rclxub.gif
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kimsim is referring to the circuit breaker. It's 16 amperes (16A) which means it will distribute electrical current to the end points up to 16A before breaking the circuit. Overcurrent greater than it's rated Amperage can burn the wires and cause an electrical fire.

Going by traditional 240V, 16A will admit up to 240x16=3840W. At 230V, then 3680W.

Lighting and fans usually 6A but I've seen it go up to 10A in certain properties.

Socket point for appliances normally rated at 13A. Some points that share sometimes allow for 15-16A relying on the fuse at the appliance socket to protect overcurrent.

Kitchen by right should use 15A if sharing between fridge and toaster microwave. Some owners prefer dedicated ones to prevent nuisance trip on the circuit.

1HP AC and oven usually 15A. Water heater and 1.5-2.5hp AC usually 20A. Washing machine with dryer sometimes 20A as well but dryer alone 15A although newer ones uses 10A-13A.

The main distribution circuit coming in to the residential dwelling is either 32A or 63A (1 phase) or 100A (3phase). There are uncommon ones as well esp for larger requirements like offices also.

The overloading is what causes tripping but this is a safety characteristic of the circuit breaker to prevent overcurrent that causes electrical fire.

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Hi halcyon27,

For 20A, that means it can go up to maximum 4800W (240x20) right?

So let's say my hood is 230W and the owen is 2.7kw, that means they are safe to used together with 20A because the total power only draw about 3000W?

My wiring man advised me use 20A for the owen alone. Is that a particular reason to do so?

Thanks.

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QUOTE(sonyu @ Dec 27 2014, 10:05 AM)
Hi halcyon27,

For 20A, that means it can go up to maximum 4800W (240x20) right?

So let's say my hood is 230W and the owen is 2.7kw, that means they are safe to used together with 20A because the total power only draw about 3000W?

My wiring man advised me use 20A for the owen alone. Is that a particular reason to do so?

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Our supply are 230v, theoretically you can only achieve 4600watt. But what you see is only the MCB, not the wiring, what wiring size the wireman use? 2.5mm? or 4mm2?

For safety reason, is not advice to load the wires max support current for long period of time, because it will harden the outer later and may cause damage/fire if it run too hot for long period of time, also how sure is the supply wires have pure copper?

In engineering, it always safer to run load below the maximum design.
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QUOTE(sonyu @ Dec 27 2014, 10:05 AM)
Hi halcyon27,

For 20A, that means it can go up to maximum 4800W (240x20) right?

So let's say my hood is 230W and the owen is 2.7kw, that means they are safe to used together with 20A because the total power only draw about 3000W?

My wiring man advised me use 20A for the owen alone. Is that a particular reason to do so?

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Usually, electrician sound practice is to engineer with safety margin. Ovens range from at least 2400W (older Rinnai 5 and 7 function oven as well as Kee Huat Radio Europa ovens are rated for 13A socket use) to over 4000W (Range cooker with Electrical ovens like Smeg, Elba, Delonghi, etc). There could be some that draws more. None will know before hand what actual product will be used. The ball park is prevalently within this range. I'd follow the electrician's advice and weikee's tip to use 230V as basis for calculation as well as to note what thickness of wiring that will be used which is crucial. The rated amp of the circuit breaker is half the equation governing how much currant the downstream appliance can draw. But the crucial hidden half is the wire through which the current conducts over. It must match or exceed the circuit breaker amp rating. Put it another way, the circuit breaker should not exceed what the max wattage of the wiring it protects.

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sorry slot in......normally what is the distant gap between hob & sink?
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sorry slot in......normally what is the distant gap between hob & sink?
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Feng Shui matter or not?
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Cool ur MCB all C16?
I guess you after install all the water heater & Aircon would be some turn into red one, even fridge.
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Hi All,

Been really busy with the reno work and missed to update here.
Kitchen is shaping up and I have bought all the major kitchen appliances that I have sought advice from all of you here.

What I purchased finally:

1. Hood: Teka TL1 62.1 (60 cm) from Everbright Kitchen - RM 540

2. Hob: Rinnai - RB-3002H (2 cooking zones) from Everbright Kitchen - RM 1350

3. Fridge: Panasonic BR307Z from E.S.H. Electrical - RM 1500

4. Microwave: Sharp Steamwave AX1100VS from E.S.H Electrical - RM 1069

5. BACO Kitchen sink and Wall mounted tap from 9sBath @ Jalan Ipoh.


KC and wardrobe has been installed and am waiting for my 4G doors and granite counter top to be done in a week's time or so. Things are progressing well so far and I hope it remains so till completion. smile.gif


Special thanks to @S'Aimer, @halcycon27, @weikee @idoblu and many others for guiding me through from day one of my post. I am not sure if I could have done all of this by myself without your detailed guidance.

Appreciate it so much.

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Hi ALL,
I am a user of FAGOR product.

I purchase their Kitchen Hob end 2010. So far, I am quite ok with the product performance.

Last October, one of the burner of the hob has some problem and report had been lodged since October. Sadly, until today, the problem is still not resolved yet. I have problem in preparing daily dinner/lunch as this is the only option I have.

I would say, the after-sales service team performance is not on par with their product performance.

After Sales Service is one of the important consideration before purchasing this product.

Just sharing.
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i cant find this switch locally. did you guys bought one before?

http://www.lelong.com.my/e82t15d45n-pieno-...7-01-Sale-I.htm

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S'aimer ozak

i cant find this switch locally. did you guys bought one before?

http://www.lelong.com.my/e82t15d45n-pieno-...7-01-Sale-I.htm

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Never see before. Can't order? Around tesco, almost all the light shop carried shinider switch. But they don't keep stock. You can get next day.
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S'aimer ozak

i cant find this switch locally. did you guys bought one before?

http://www.lelong.com.my/e82t15d45n-pieno-...7-01-Sale-I.htm

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Hi Idoblu,

Try contacting one of our lowyat forum member here who sells Schneider switches - Mr. Lim - 012-3925585
I bought all of my Schneider switches from him. Prompt delivery.


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Even See Wide says tak dah. The one I found in Lelong got the ad but when I called, they say no stock.
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Even I get a simple 2pole Schneider switch also no stock. They need to order and can get it next day. From the light shop around Tesco.
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I was thinking to get this switch at the same time when I bought my pieno switches over a year ago but didn't get it because my electrician paired a 15A socket with a 30A gang switch due to my layout. However, I am not sure if it is in stock now?

You can call the electrical hardware shop where I bought my pieno switches but it isn't open on sunday. Do you want the contact number? Only thing is, the shop is based in JB

QUOTE(idoblu @ Apr 5 2015, 12:12 AM)
S'aimer ozak

i cant find this switch locally. did you guys bought one before?

http://www.lelong.com.my/e82t15d45n-pieno-...7-01-Sale-I.htm

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I'm afraid it's not no stock but this item is not available here in Malaysia
Maybe for UK market
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I'm afraid it's not no stock but this item is not available here in Malaysia
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A lot of electrical shop in Puchong jaya. Around the light shop roll and 1 puchong. You might like to try.

Or order online?
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A lot of electrical shop in Puchong jaya. Around the light shop roll and 1 puchong. You might like to try.

Or order online?
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takes too long to order now
schneider malaysia dont have so cannot order

i am just gonna get the single 45A switch without any 13A socket

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Apr 5 2015, 10:32 PM)
takes too long to order now
schneider malaysia dont have so cannot order

i am just gonna get the single 45A switch without any 13A socket
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45amps, what wire size you using?
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Hmm it would be strange if it is maybe for UK market. I mean, you know the wiring and voltage differences?

So why not check other areas before getting that single 45A switch as the shop I am talking about, is a schnieder dealer I believe.
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takes too long to order now
schneider malaysia dont have so cannot order

i am just gonna get the single 45A switch without any 13A socket
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You can work around it. Get another 13A socket and put together. Branch out the wiring from the 45A switch.
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Apr 5 2015, 10:42 PM)
Hmm it would be strange if it is maybe for UK market. I mean, you know the wiring and voltage differences?

So why not check other areas before getting that single 45A switch as the shop I am talking about, is a schnieder dealer I believe.
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It is probably Schneider Malaysia choose not to import this model to here. So if all the dealer get the stock from Schneider Malaysia, the answer is same.

Unless somebody you know can intruduce you to some parallel import dealer.
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45amps, what wire size you using?
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Dunno yet. 6mm or more
I don't really need 45amp as my appliance only takes 27amp max. I guess I can put a 32amp switch. A bigger one won't burn out as easily.
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You can work around it. Get another 13A socket and put together. Branch out the wiring from the 45A switch.
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I don't really need a 13a socket cause this switch will be inside my cabinet. I dunno yet. If it's outside the better but I don't plan on hacking my wall
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I don't really need a 13a socket cause this switch will be inside my cabinet. I dunno yet. If it's outside the better but I don't plan on hacking my wall
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For induction? But that would be inconvenient every time on/off the switch inside the cabinet?
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For induction? But that would be inconvenient every time on/off the switch inside the cabinet?
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Ya induction. Most of the time I will leave it on. Turn on/off at the hob end only. Just for emergency turn off the double pole switch.
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Ya induction. Most of the time I will leave it on. Turn on/off at the hob end only. Just for emergency turn off the double pole switch.
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Not a good idea. Induction is electronic sensitive. 2nd, it will consume some power with stanby mode. Switch it off when not in use is better.
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Not a good idea. Induction is electronic sensitive. 2nd, it will consume some power with stanby mode. Switch it off when not in use is better.
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Hmmm...on and off I scared faster rosak.
Will see how.....now to find the switch biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Apr 5 2015, 10:54 PM)
Dunno yet. 6mm or more
I don't really need 45amp as my appliance only takes 27amp max. I guess I can put a 32amp switch. A bigger one won't burn out as easily.
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yawn.gif Every time you cook TNB will be very happy.

Such a high current, doubt you can get any good nice looking residential switch to support it. May want to check industry usage switch for heavy duty smile.gif


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izzit possible that extend the existing exhaust hole?

forgotten the take into consideration of the exhaust hole.....after build the awning

or any sifu can i contact?
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Hmmm...on and off I scared faster rosak.
Will see how.....now to find the switch  biggrin.gif
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You don't off, your induction may rosak faster.

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I see where idoblu plans to have it.

In my case, the 15A socket is below the hob, inside the cabinet.

The 32A DP gang switch is outside. Both 15A & 32A are connected so either way, the hob will not switch on unless both are on. Which is probably what idoblu plans to do for his side.

Weikee, the cost is pretty low to be more exact since I also use an electric stove. The TNB bill averages between 30-40 rinngit a month now actually. Hardly hit beyond the 50 ringgit mark all those months I have been living in my new place. I cook like 2-3 times a week, use oven for baking ocassionally & boil water for tea daily, other than using the computer for long hours.

It's a matter of having long standing habits to switch off or unplug the appliances after use.
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Hmmm...on and off I scared faster rosak.
Will see how.....now to find the switch  biggrin.gif
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nope this is the same fella as in lelong. MITS. They advertised everywhere - lelong, mudah, etc but no stock wan
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Unbelievable! Even 45a double pole switch pun no stock! WTF our country so poor.😖
And dunno why Pieno 45a is cheaper than Vivace 45a. Isn't Vivace the lower range?
Difference is like Rm30 😳
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Apr 16 2015, 10:26 AM)
Unbelievable! Even 45a double pole switch pun no stock! WTF our country so poor.😖
And dunno why Pieno 45a is cheaper than Vivace 45a. Isn't Vivace the lower range?
Difference is like Rm30 😳
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Apr 16 2015, 10:26 AM)
Unbelievable! Even 45a double pole switch pun no stock! WTF our country so poor.😖
And dunno why Pieno 45a is cheaper than Vivace 45a. Isn't Vivace the lower range?
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Get from ebay and delivered to your door step. This is what i did for my 45amp switch.

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no stock. got 32amp. sad.gif

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Anyone using Rinnai induction hob before????? Any comment????

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Used in many restaurants in Korea
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Initially was introduced with RH-C809-GB, but find it quite a fuss to do the cleaning and so-on.

I found their price for Rinnai Hob is very competitive for RB-2CG. However, I had purchase mine somewhere else. Otherwise will get from them as well.

And they sell Fujioh as well, my favourite brand, but the premium for fujioh hood cost a bomb for me.

Note: din really found their shop name in LYN, any reason? or any bad review?




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Hi anyone can recommend which brand is good? Rubine vs Rinnai? I stuck between rosemary hood and venosa hob (rubine) or rinnai RH 789 hood and RB 72G hob (rinnai).
Please advise all sifus..
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Hi All,

Been really busy with the reno work and missed to update here.
Kitchen is shaping up and I have bought all the major kitchen appliances that I have sought advice from all of you here.

What I purchased finally:

1. Hood: Teka TL1 62.1 (60 cm) from Everbright Kitchen - RM 540

2. Hob: Rinnai - RB-3002H (2 cooking zones) from Everbright Kitchen - RM 1350

3. Fridge: Panasonic BR307Z from E.S.H. Electrical - RM 1500

4. Microwave: Sharp Steamwave AX1100VS from E.S.H Electrical - RM 1069

5. BACO Kitchen sink and Wall mounted tap from 9sBath @ Jalan Ipoh.
KC and wardrobe has been installed and am waiting for my 4G doors and granite counter top to be done in a week's time or so. Things are progressing well so far and I hope it remains so till completion.  smile.gif
Special thanks to @S'Aimer, @halcycon27, @weikee @idoblu and many others for guiding me through from day one of my post. I am not sure if I could have done all of this by myself without your detailed guidance.

Appreciate it so much.
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