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post Oct 12 2014, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(shootkk @ Oct 12 2014, 04:34 PM)
It's kinda ironic isn't it when it comes to kit lenses? People most often want to get rid of it as soon as possible. So if nobody wants it then why worry about the resell value?

Haha. Just my thoughts on the subject.

For me I wouldn't worry about a filter. You most probably need a kit lens if you want to sell the body along with it. Else the market for a kit lens is not that great. Doubt it would fetch much of a price even so why worry?
eh 300 - 400 also money lor.

anyway my line of thought is to better keep the kit lens in good shape, can bundle along with the body for better sale if ever bekside itchy for upgrade in future.

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post Oct 14 2014, 12:04 PM

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i am still reading up on this issue on other sites.. it is indeed a long debate but im now more inclined towards a 'non filter' approach , but rather getting a hood instead. will post my thoughts and conclusion on this shortly..

before that, i was in MV and got quote for a B+W multi coated UV filter for about RM160... he showed me all the different types they carry and looking through the B+W filter, it really looks great as if they is no piece of glass there, it is of brass frame.

now what would be a good filter ? and what is the range like? RM160 for that piece seems promising....

i was in MV and didnt get to compare prices elsewhere to see which shop offers a more competitive pricing... any1 know got a suggestion for cheap and genuine camera accessories?
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post Oct 14 2014, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(KenYoung @ Oct 14 2014, 12:04 PM)
i am still reading up on this issue on other sites.. it is indeed a long debate but im now more inclined towards a 'non filter' approach , but rather getting a hood instead. will post my thoughts and conclusion on this shortly..

before that, i was in MV and got quote for a B+W multi coated UV filter for about RM160... he showed me all the different types they carry and looking through the B+W filter, it really looks great as if they is no piece of glass there, it is of brass frame.

now what would be a good filter ? and what is the range like? RM160 for that piece seems promising....

i was in MV and didnt get to compare prices elsewhere to see which shop offers a more competitive pricing... any1 know got a suggestion for cheap and genuine camera accessories?
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Your kitlens if not mistaken will have a filter size about 55 right? You will not find many other lenses, especially lenses that you want to upgrade to in future, will have that kind of filter size. Thus you spend RM160 and then you would probably find no other lens to fit the filter to. If you sell the kitlens, would you bundle the filter? Probably not coz it cost quite a bit but then if you sell it along with the lens, it would jack up the price so much that it's not competitive. You wouldn't want to be caught in this dilemma.

Get a hood or go naked. If you're careful, nothing disastrous will happen to your kitlens.
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post Oct 14 2014, 02:13 PM

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Canon 100mm macro and 28 f/1.8 are 2 really great lens with 58mm filter threads.

If you intend to get these in the future, your filter are swappable. Just saying.
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post Oct 14 2014, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(KenYoung @ Oct 14 2014, 12:04 PM)
i am still reading up on this issue on other sites.. it is indeed a long debate but im now more inclined towards a 'non filter' approach , but rather getting a hood instead. will post my thoughts and conclusion on this shortly..
i feel that the "filter debate" is ridiculous.

that's why you don't see pros discuss much on this, the rest are usually with too much free time or don't know their stuff.

as for your kit lens (18-55) i would just get something under RM 100 for easy of cleaning and keeping it in good condition. It's optional though, as what others mentioned the lens is of low value. If you think you can protect it well then go ahead. hood itself is RM 10 -15 range if I'm not mistaken. El-cheapo filter RM 50 - 60 perhaps, don't recall them affecting the image quality much.
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post Oct 14 2014, 03:13 PM

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i managed to find high quality filters from online cheap.

zero ghosting, resisted a direct hit onto a sharp surface. scratchless.
less than rm100.

kept away the lens cap after that. because it was so bothersome to keep taking it off and putting it back on. worth the money for the sake of convenience and cleaning.
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post Oct 15 2014, 12:44 PM

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being shooting for 8years, own 5 lenses and nv use filter, just use lens hood and of cause take good care of ur lens.
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QUOTE(LanEvoX @ Oct 15 2014, 12:44 PM)
being shooting for 8years, own 5 lenses and nv use filter, just use lens hood and of cause take good care of ur lens.
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I was thinking, for those who use lens hood for protection.

would this work better?



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This post has been edited by azimut: Oct 16 2014, 05:23 PM
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post Oct 16 2014, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(azimut @ Oct 16 2014, 05:22 PM)
I was thinking, for those who use lens hood for protection.

would this work better?



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it's lens hood, but more advance and much more pricey smile.gif
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post Oct 16 2014, 07:22 PM

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want to buy hoya filter but which model shld i buy? standard?HMC? Pro1D ? whats the difference?

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post Oct 16 2014, 07:48 PM

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donno which one better but I'm using the Pro1D for my 50mm f1.4 lens.
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post Oct 16 2014, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(piano_freak @ Oct 16 2014, 07:22 PM)
want to buy hoya filter but which model shld i buy? standard?HMC? Pro1D ? whats the difference?
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In term of quality, Pro1D will be better than HMC.

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QUOTE(LanEvoX @ Oct 16 2014, 05:24 PM)
it's lens hood, but more advance and much more pricey  smile.gif
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lens hood isn't pricey at all i think? depends on brands, but most lenses come with a lens hood.

what i don't like about lens hood is you have to remove and put it back again every time you put your camera into the bag. it does a better protection compared to filter though in my opinion.
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QUOTE(piano_freak @ Oct 16 2014, 07:22 PM)
want to buy hoya filter but which model shld i buy? standard?HMC? Pro1D ? whats the difference?
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I've used HMC filters on some of my lenses, works great! Recommended by LegendLee cheers.gif
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post Oct 16 2014, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(mingyuyu @ Oct 16 2014, 08:42 PM)
lens hood isn't pricey at all i think? depends on brands, but most lenses come with a lens hood.

what i don't like about lens hood is you have to remove and put it back again every time you put your camera into the bag. it does a better protection compared to filter though in my opinion.
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3rd party lens hood is a lot cheaper than the original, and it do the same job. brows.gif
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post Oct 17 2014, 07:55 AM

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QUOTE(LanEvoX @ Oct 16 2014, 05:24 PM)
it's lens hood, but more advance and much more pricey  smile.gif
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I am not sure how much it is in Malaysia, have never seen it here. But in USA it converts back to RM170. It is quite pricey.

QUOTE(mingyuyu @ Oct 16 2014, 08:42 PM)
lens hood isn't pricey at all i think? depends on brands, but most lenses come with a lens hood.

what i don't like about lens hood is you have to remove and put it back again every time you put your camera into the bag. it does a better protection compared to filter though in my opinion.
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I am not sure if lens hood is a better protection compared to filter.

Yeah, quite mafan to remove and put it back, just a minor set back though.

Did you see the video on my link?
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QUOTE(azimut @ Oct 17 2014, 07:55 AM)
I am not sure how much it is in Malaysia, have never seen it here. But in USA it converts back to RM170. It is quite pricey.
I am not sure if lens hood is a better protection compared to filter.

Yeah, quite mafan to remove and put it back, just a minor set back though.

Did you see the video on my link?
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Hood is better.
Both is best.

My friend drop my 70-200 from waist head down.
He did not use my hood coz he didn't like it.

The Hoya hd filter broke and is now stuck on it.
The filter glass shattered and now I've some very faint light scratches on the front element.

The value of the lens probably drop by 40%. But wihout the filter, it'll probably be useless.
If he had the hood on, only casualty will probably only be the hood.

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QUOTE(LanEvoX @ Oct 16 2014, 10:58 PM)
3rd party lens hood is a lot cheaper than the original, and it do the same job.  brows.gif
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yeah, original lens hood is so damn overpriced anyways (up to few hundred for a plastic collar? wtf?). but if you lens have it bundled together then it's good.

QUOTE(azimut @ Oct 17 2014, 07:55 AM)
I am not sure how much it is in Malaysia, have never seen it here. But in USA it converts back to RM170. It is quite pricey.
I am not sure if lens hood is a better protection compared to filter.

Yeah, quite mafan to remove and put it back, just a minor set back though.

Did you see the video on my link?
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that's the main frustration with lens hood, slows down the shooting pace a lot if you keep on remove and put back and repeat.

I still think that a lens hood offers more protection. of course it doesn't protect your lens from dust/ water etc, but if you drop your lens, a lens hood would protect the lens much better. the lens hood is just a plastic piece that can bend (unless you using those super telephoto like 400mm or such), so when it hits the ground it will bend first then crack or break if the force is too strong (this is when the front of the lens is facing the ground). simple physic anyways.

QUOTE(LegendLee @ Oct 17 2014, 10:01 AM)
Hood is better.
Both is best.

My friend drop my 70-200 from waist head down.
He did not use my hood coz he didn't like it.

The Hoya hd filter broke and is now stuck on it.
The filter glass shattered and now I've some very faint light scratches on the front element.

The value of the lens probably drop by 40%. But wihout the filter, it'll probably be useless.
If he had the hood on, only casualty will probably only be the hood.
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those 24-70 or 70-200 have a really deep and strong lens hood, always good for protection.
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post Oct 17 2014, 02:24 PM

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There is no need to invest so much for kitlens filter. A standard hoya would do. Always remember go for filter that have quality like Hoya....china brand say No.

Till you have L, maybe can start thinking B+W or Hoya HD.
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post Oct 17 2014, 02:38 PM

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Filter for me is just a gimmick thing to play with. If possible I would love to take photo without filter. Just simply..... no filter has much better color saturation compare with filter. ( Just like Nikon with no AA filter laugh.gif ). But then getting filter for my purpose is just to protect lens. For such a clumsy person like me. I might accidentally hit the lense. So i would say for me it is acted as a protection. Just my own preference though.


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