I am seriously considering to buy either Mazda 3 or Mazda 6 (if the latter can be gotten for under RM150K) but I am concerned about the high fuel consumption (FC). I never thought that there was a problem with FC for Mazda cars since Mazda have been promoting their Skyactiv technology in which one of the plus points is the good fuel economy of their cars with this particular technology.

It only occurred to me that Mazda cars could have this high FC problem when I visited the Mazda 3 Facebook page and saw a comment from this person, Ed War, that his new Mazda 3 was having a high FC problem. The FC claim by Mazda themselves for the Mazda 3 is 5.7L/100 KM but Ed War was only able to get around 11.4L/100 KM. Not only is that a significantly higher FC but that's about twice the claimed FC by Mazda. That is certainly a significant cause of concern for prospective Mazda 3 buyers. I mean, if the FC figure was about 2L/100 KM or even 3L/100 KM higher, then it's acceptable but for it to be twice the claimed FC, that's not acceptable at all. Anyway, if you want to read the comments by Ed War about his Mazda 3, you can visit:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=101...35147626&type=1

Another link is here:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=101...35147626&type=1

Being more interested in Mazda 6, I took a test drive on Sunday at the Mazda showroom along Old Klang Road. I don't what the showroom did to the Mazda 6, but I saw the average FC was 20.7L/100 KM after the test drive (it was just above 22L/100 KM before the test drive). This led to to have concern that not only is Mazda 3 having high FC problem but Mazda 6 has such high FC problem too. I attach a photo I took of the reading for you to see.

I have two questions:

1. What is the FC for your Mazda 3 or Mazda 6 if you are driving a 2013 or 2014 model?

2. Is it possible to set the average FC meter so that you can see the average fuel consumption for just one trip (could be 5 KM or 10 KM)? If so, how do you set it? I had asked the salesperson but he is not aware that it can be set for just one trip.

This post has been edited by kenviro: Oct 2 2014, 04:10 PM


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I believe if you drive a 2.0L car in traffic jam, definitely you do not expect it to save fuel. Especially jam like yesterday where people queue up to pump petrol till making the traffic halt to a standstill.

I drive a 1.8L C segment car too. If jam till cannot move , fc meter will drop to 7KM/L . Especially when I trying very hard to keep up with the car in front to reduce gap to minimum to avoid ppl from cutting queue.

The mazda 6 is using 19 inch rim. So you do not expect to save fuel too. 20.7L/100 KM I believe is due to customer full throttle with short distance to test the power of the car.

If want fuel saving , of coz you go get a Prius or an Axia, Mirage , Attrage .

~my 2 cents~

If you at stop & go test drive route, and that reading is 'instantaneous consumption' it should be normal. But if it is average, probably try to reset that fc meter and test drive again.

If the car is not moving and idling, by right it should show infinity L/100km.


But then again, that high compression ratio of SkyActiv engine coupled with our RON95 quality, it should be called SkyPasiv.

While I'm not an owner, you should bear in mind while the car's FC rated according to the results gathered from the more stringent and real world JC08 driving cycle, it is still just data collected over a very short period of time and may not reflect actual conditions relating to our weather, passenger loads, idling and other factors.

FC is largely determined by the traffic of the day, your average speed and of course your right foot.

Getting 11L/100km in city driving (with jams) is a great figure for a D Segment car. Accord/Camry/Teana is nowhere near that with their ancient VVT engine. No car is going to get less than 10L/100km in city crawling traffic, except for hybrid powertrains.

If u really concerned about FC might as well get a Axia.

Sorry man, i just being blunt.

buy 150k car but concern with fuel consumption? seriously?

When my friend bought mazda 6..he told me it's fuel saving..5.7L/100km...i was like..yeah rite. i'm not saying it's a bluff..but to trust the salesman to that exact..

any make c/d segment usually will get that range of figure in real city drive
sometime i cannot brain how come some can really brag about their fc




can be achieved but only on very smooth traffic/highway
maybe he drive from kl to jb everyday

according the paultan test, Mazda 6 is d best fuel saver car compare to Camry and Accord.

however, ppl buyer Mazda 6 becoz of its handling, fuel saving jus a bonus.

i think that FC should be normal for driving a >c segments in city traffic. that >20l/100km might result from too much idling i mean it's a test drive car so it could for most of the time, its engine just being idle while the sa explained the features etc FC really depends on the traffics, routes and the way we drive.

for my forte 1.6 CVT
> full 100% city drive
- heavy traffic, stop and go, bumper to bumper crawling results 9.0-12.0l/100km
- moderate traffic results 7.5-9.0l/100km

> highway
- >3.5k rpm (>140km/h) results >8.5/100km
- mixed 2.0k>rpm<3.0k (<130km/h) results 6.5-8.00l/100km

Those who buy cars and expect FC as claimed by the manufacturer, will likely have their hearts broken.

Luckily gua mia proton.. Biasa la

malaysian wan big big car, but fc like viva

Ts simply dont understand how fc works...there's no car problem here...only user problem.

11.xl/100km also kecoh.....see my one lar this morning stuck in crazy jam.



No kecoh also.

Actually GDi engine (like this Skyactive) is designed to take advantage of higher compression (hence better performance and FC) with the same RON.

why can't he wan to own a nicer car and still be concerned about FC?

if you wanna be smart, go kopitiam

a better car yes, but a bigger car for sure will consume more petrol, common sense right? u don't expect a D segment size and weight car and FC same like A segment car, no?

Apa lu tau? Ppl ask u go kopitiam ah!

I always laugh when I read this kind of post! Lol!

Lagi satu! Pergi kopitiam la..

err... skyactiv is not a hybrid, and i think bigger capacity engine will be in advantage as the engine keeps running during idle, or not all energy efficiently converted to mileage. some v8 engine stops 4 of the cylinders when less power needed, hybrid can stop the engine during idle, range extender runs the engine only when battery runs low. mercedes has the s400h, i think a 3.5 v6 hybrid powertrain... mazda 6 is not expansive enough compare to prius (after tax)

nobody cares about fuel consumption when buying big car.

I pump ron 97 like a boss into my 2008 Mazda 6 2.5. I dont even care.

if u wanna save money, buy a basic mazda 2 or 3 = RM80-100k, saved 50K and pump petrol.

the fc figure from brochure usually not true.
You only can get it when from start to stop all along is highway drive, speed between 80 to 100km.
Once get in town, stuck in jam, start stop frequent, fc sure increase.

soli soli, i will keep quiet and go kopitiam now

You want to know true FC??
Buy one,pump full tank,next refill find out how many fuel you use then average it to get KM/L figure
Anyway it's a D Segment car so i guess as long as you are getting something like 10KM/L in mixed town highway driving you are doing good

Manufacturer's claimed fuel economy, at best it's what the car can do and not what it will do. "Can" do, means you have to actually try and save fuel, not let things run its course. You will accelerate almost to the point of annoying people, you will get to highway speeds but it will take you at least 45 seconds if not more. SkyActiv with all that compression ratio (14:1, the highest in the world for production cars alongside the engine in the Ferrari 458 Speciale) and advanced direct injection it should at least be bearable compared to other engines of less sophistication.

It will probably do it, only if you try.

This post has been edited by VagueConcerns: Oct 2 2014, 08:53 PM

I would say if TS has better budget, might as well settle for the Lexus ES300H. Good C/D seg car and its a hybrid, best of both worlds.

As many mentioned, a D-seg car with 2.0-litre and above will score at average 10-11km/l. I would say if u can afford such cars, u aledi can afford to maintain n fuel them.

Bro, my advice is not to get too stuck up with the readings on the FC meter of the car, whether it is 7l/100km, 11.4l/100km or 10km/l etc. As some others have mentioned, it doesn't really matter too much as in the end, it's how much money you spend in pumping petrol. Instead of FC figures, it may be more useful to know how, say for a full tank of petrol on a Mazda 3 or Mazda 6, how many kilometres it can cover in mixed highway conditions 50% city 50% highway. It is all based on a rough estimate as driving patterns and traffic conditions are not fixed variables and fuel consumption will surely vary.

Not sure about Mazda 3 or 6, but I have 3 colleagues who own the Mazda CX5 2.5 CBU and all of them commented on the fairly good fuel consumption of the vehicle vs. the Honda Civic and Ford Focus. Perhaps in those complaints from Mazda 3 owners they are comparing the FC with their Segment-C vehicles such as Myvi or City?

Personally I don't think the fuel consumption between same class of vehicles will vary much. Say a difference of up to ~RM50 per month between Mazda 3, Honda Civic, Toyota Altis and Nissan Sylphy. In summary, if you want good fuel consumption, you would need to go with the small and light vehicle, Segment B vehicles.

Go fuelly to check the FC la. Those figures are mostly from daily user.

Wrong Segment boss. Thats B seg.

Sappork!

Malaysians very kiasu...want big, want good, want fast, want no drink petrol....mana cari?

Chinese saying "Yau Yiu Mah hou, Yau yiu mah ng sek chow!" (Want a good horse which don't eat grass!!!)

Hopefully. Time will tell.

being concerned about fuel consumption and wanting an axia fuel consumption in a v8 petrol is 2 different things.

why not just recommend similar range but better FC or manage driving methods instead of saying want FC go buy axia?

I lol at these type of threads. Want drive big cars but thinking about FC. Obviously, TS not there yet.

harharhar i like your statement but thats quite true

Good horse now eat grains

If want to change car just to save 1km/l of fuel for a D segment, then really pathetic...
Most of these cars at this range FC wont run far. ..
You buy expensive car, expect high maintenance.

Imo, it should not be a factor when choosing a D segment car.

if you are worried too much on the fc when looking for a D segment, then you are still cant afford it... try hybrid car.

for my mazda5 2.0 skyactiv, driving from selayang to my office at jln sultan ismail KL with bad traffic jam every morning via jln kuching, fc meter shows 10.1 L/100km. beside fc meter, i also calculate the fc from how much i pump petrol. for example last week, i pump RM 60 petrol, i got 280km before it empty again. so based on the calculation:

RM 60.00/RM 2.10 petrol price per liter last week = 28.57 liter
X = 100km/280km x 28.57
X = 10.2 L/100km

so, more or less same as fc meter. for highway driving normally i get 7.5 L/100km. fc claim by Mazda for the Mazda 3 5.7L/100 km is reasonable i think if for highway driving and light footed.

+1

If TS so concerned about FC but he wants a sedan, a B-seg car like the new Honda City will fit his needs.

yep..should be. but to really trust 5.7L bulat2?..hahaha.

want fc low, buy kancil lah lel lel, big car not for poorfag

This is fuelly results for Mazda 6 http://www.fuelly.com/car/mazda/6/2013

All cars these days claim to have the technology to improve FC. Even if u drive Axia and is heavy footed or stuck in jam, ur FC will skyrocket. Same applies to a Mazda 6 or a Honda Accord or a Camry. I'm now using an accord 2.0 which gives me about 11-12km/l on 60% city drive 40% penang bridge drive. During days i am more heavy footed, it drops to 8km/l. Therefore, drive management is important in order for u to get good FC.

For ur car, i think u pay ur loan every month. so the most important thing is that when u go to the bank on a monthly basis, u will feel that what u are paying for is worth every single penny becus u like the car!

Just my 2 cents as well

to answer your 2nd question, it is possible to set your FC per trip, you just need to reset Trip A to 0 after every pump, in settings of the car, set reset FC on trip A

i am not sure how the owner acheive 11.4l/100km, my average is bout 8.5l/100km, 70% urban with occasional jams and 30% highways. i am quite heavy footed as well but i don't zoom for no reason. definitely cant compare to the claimed value by mazda. but some other members manage to acheive 6.7l/100km

here are my last 7 fuel logs if u wanna know actual consumption (8.59l/100km) avg


This post has been edited by derravile: Oct 3 2014, 12:30 PM

to answer how to achieve 11.4l/100km .

because it is call AVERAGE FC on the meter..
and those driver depends on it .. . all i can says is ...

most car average meter will reset by itself.. so when u just drove out from car park .. stuck all the way to work it will show very very bad fc... coz it calculate base on 100km average.... if u takes 2 hours to jam to office says 20km away .. u are doing like 1 hour for 10km only .. base on the computer calculation .. to reach 100km .. u will need 10 hours..

so due to stuck in jam .. stop and go .. ur FC is doing worse n worse ... it will juz MULTIPLY to 100km and show u the average u need to hit 100km ...
(REMEMBER ... even on IDLE .. your car burn fuel .. although u need maybe 0.2 L to move per km ... maybe ur idling take up another 0.2 L already)


if u are on high way .. cruising says 100km/h ... u burning 6L ... to achieve that the ecu will tell u .. u need 6L .. look you are not wasting fuel on start stop ..

It is different on your case cause u calculate by full tank refuel.. as always the COMPUTER is calculating AVERAGE Fuel Consumption only ... it will be based on TIME and Distance travel.

yes, of cause if u stuck in jam most of the time, 11.4l/100km, just being sarcastic there

i figure the most accurate to measure actual cost incurred and mileage, u travel whatever you pay

when did i ask u go buy axia?

GO KOPITIAM LA .. YOU TAU APA PASAL KERETA LA!

D segment can have B segment FC also ... who says tala ...

Vios TRD is a D segment car (at least according to someone ) ..

MeToo

i think i better go kopitiam, this section people so serious, mazda 6 size car wanna get 6L/100km, my pariah smaller size proton also kenot get

So far I have to say that derraville's answer is the best answer of all the replies to this thread so far. While most others are not answering my question or even criticising my concern of high FC in Mazda 3 or Mazda 6, derraville has been most helpful with his answers.

I think many didn't get my point. I am not expecting Mazda 3 or Mazda 6 to get the best FC. Or to have FC of a segment-B or segment-C car. My concern is that the Mazda 3 or Mazda 6 shouldn't be getting twice the claimed FC. I personally believe that Ed War wasn't stuck in the traffic jam most of the time. If he was, I think he would have hold up his hands and admit it because no one would get a good FC during a traffic jam. Anyway, I would take derraville's average FC in his Mazda if it was offered to me because I think the FC of his Mazda is acceptable. I assume that derraville is driving a Mazda 3.

yes i am driving the mazda 3

ps: only 1 "L" in my name~

If you are seriously believing bluntly what the manufacturer claims then you are in over your head. Why do you need to be concern that the car shouldnt be getting twice the claimed FC? Instead your question should be what are the real world average figures.

this is the 3rd mention of fuelly.com:
http://www.fuelly.com/car/mazda/6

why don't you check that out instead of asking here?

Woi.. this is a guy who is choosing to buy a Mazda 3/6 instead of a Vios...

Means lost cause jor... dont keep tagging me to waste my time here!

I am only aware of this fuelly.com website in the last few days.

This website looks like it is more applicable to drivers in the US. When I click on the dropdown box for "Any Engine", I don't see the 2 litre edition of the engine. Under "Any Submodel", I also don't know which to choose.

summary/average: they go between 11-13km/l and chances of heavy traffic jams in the US would be lesser compared to us.

expect 8-10 km/L

heck, didn't a mazda 3 posted his FC? considering a 6 is much heavier, further reduce maybe 2-3 km/l to be around 10 km/l maybe?
10 km/l is about 10l/100km, half of what was shown on the meter i guess

The reason why everyone else criticized on this thread, is that when you're buying a heavy D segment car, FC should be the least of your concern considering you're paying a huge premium for the car already.
If you're really that concerned, and the Mazda 6 seems to be in fact not a great performer in FC, consider another car then. (like the turbo charged ones that are in smaller cc that could probably be more frugal in FC)

=edit=
corrected previous mistake on mazda3

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Oct 3 2014, 04:39 PM

second that, thts the reason y this thread got flamed so much

in overall, i would consider my mazda3 FC to be reasonable, if u are a light footer, a good FC is achievable (of cause, w/o much jam)

the tip to force yourself into being a light footer, or atleast to reduce pressing too much, shift to manual gear shift. don't shift gear unnecessary

Why do cars in European and american country even with the same engine as us gets better fuel economy? Is it because of the weather? Hot weather in Malaysia effects fuel economy?

Macam my car it says combined city and highway I will get 7L/100km, but my journey everyday is 90% highway yet its hard for me to get consumption of less than 9L/100km

1. No need to use aircond as much
2. Not as much jam as we have. Yes in cities they have jams, but the US is BIG. There are a lot of people who live in suburban neighbourhoods and they don't have as much traffic jams

Ah, yes, aircond! No wonder Proton cars fuel consumption is so bad! Their airconds is super duper freezing cold

Sure many commented that people should not expect good FC from D-Segment cars, but with GDi engine I'd think the you can at least expect around 10-11km/ltr for a 2.5ltr version, because that's what I'm able to get as well with my old 2008 car (which is should be even ancient technology compared to this new Mazda 6).
Btw for that size of car with 2.0 engine, I believe it would give worse FC due to underpowered engine pushing a heavy car.

have to agree with the post above... shouldnt the FC of the skyactiv engine be better than average? anyways, will the octane level (RON95 vs RON97) affect the FC for an engine with such high compression ratio? (and it seems the examples given by TS are isolated cases and not everyone have the same issue?)

This post has been edited by HMMaster: Oct 4 2014, 07:32 AM