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Double entry for renovation in the progress?, Need some advise
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TStstan8_8
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Oct 1 2014, 03:41 PM, updated 12y ago
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Renovation cost RM 100,000 (invoice receipt) 50% Complete (Paid) 50% next year only complete
Should i?
1) Debit Fixed asset RM 100,000 Credit bank RM 50,000 Credit Sundry creditor 50,000
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2) Debit Fixed asset RM 50,000 Credit RM 50,000
Next year
Debit Fixed asset RM 50,000 Credit RM 50,000
May i know which FRS it comply? I refer to PPE din mention at all.
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ZeaXG
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Oct 1 2014, 03:54 PM
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Dude, 1st entry is correct.
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TStstan8_8
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Oct 1 2014, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE(ZeaXG @ Oct 1 2014, 03:54 PM) Dude, 1st entry is correct. Some say not an answer
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SUSPink Spider
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Oct 1 2014, 04:43 PM
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QUOTE(tstan8_8 @ Oct 1 2014, 03:41 PM) Renovation cost RM 100,000 (invoice receipt) 50% Complete (Paid) 50% next year only complete Should i? 1) Debit Fixed asset RM 100,000 Credit bank RM 50,000 Credit Sundry creditor 50,000 or 2) Debit Fixed asset RM 50,000 Credit RM 50,000 Next year Debit Fixed asset RM 50,000 Credit RM 50,000 May i know which FRS it comply? I refer to PPE din mention at all. Upon receipt of invoice:Dr PPE RM50,000 Dr Prepayment RM50,000 Cr Creditor RM100,000 Accounts Payable entryUpon (first) payment:Dr Creditor RM50,000 Cr Bank RM50,000 Accounts Payable entryUpon completion of works:Dr PPE RM50,000 Cr Prepayment RM50,000 JOURNAL VOUCHER ENTRYDr Creditor RM50,000 Cr Bank RM50,000 Accounts Payable entryThis post has been edited by Pink Spider: Oct 1 2014, 04:46 PM
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cracksys
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Oct 1 2014, 04:48 PM
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Dr. CWIP RM100,000 Cr. Creditor RM100,000
Dr. Creditor RM50,000 Cr. Bank RM50,000
when finished
Dr. PPE RM100,000 Cr. CWIP RM100,000
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TStstan8_8
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Oct 1 2014, 04:52 PM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 1 2014, 04:43 PM) Upon receipt of invoice:Dr PPE RM50,000 Dr Prepayment RM50,000Cr Creditor RM100,000 Accounts Payable entryUpon (first) payment:Dr Creditor RM50,000 Cr Bank RM50,000 Accounts Payable entryUpon completion of works:Dr PPE RM50,000 Cr Prepayment RM50,000JOURNAL VOUCHER ENTRYDr Creditor RM50,000 Cr Bank RM50,000 Accounts Payable entry U mean second method.. Not an prepayment lah. -.-'' QUOTE(cracksys @ Oct 1 2014, 04:48 PM) Dr. CWIP RM100,000 Cr. Creditor RM100,000 Dr. Creditor RM50,000 Cr. Bank RM50,000 when finished Dr. PPE RM100,000 Cr. CWIP RM100,000 and your 1 is first method? May i know which FRS? This post has been edited by tstan8_8: Oct 1 2014, 04:53 PM
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SUSPink Spider
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Oct 1 2014, 04:57 PM
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Strictly speaking, the balance RM50K is not a liability until the works are done. But, if u are using a proper accounting software's Accounts Payable module...u receive an invoice for RM100K...u gotta key in full invoice amount straight away. So, u treat the balance RM50K as a prepayment. Else, what u wanna call it?
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TStstan8_8
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Oct 1 2014, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 1 2014, 04:57 PM) Strictly speaking, the balance RM50K is not a liability until the works are done. But, if u are using a proper accounting software's Accounts Payable module...u receive an invoice for RM100K...u gotta key in full invoice amount straight away. So, u treat the balance RM50K as a prepayment. Else, what u wanna call it?  I tot prepayment is we paid in advance? Call it WIP?
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SUSPink Spider
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Oct 1 2014, 05:16 PM
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QUOTE(tstan8_8 @ Oct 1 2014, 05:02 PM) I tot prepayment is we paid in advance? Call it WIP? In your balance sheet, the prepayment and creditor amount will set off each other mar And in this case, receiving invoice RM100K when only RM50K work is done, the balance RM50K is like a...advance billing lor. Prepayment is just another name u can call it If the renovation TOTAL cost is not really that big relative to your balance sheet...your auditor might even allow u to capitalise the whole lump sum straight away. That's what I do, anyway... This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Oct 1 2014, 05:16 PM
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TStstan8_8
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Oct 1 2014, 05:26 PM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 1 2014, 05:16 PM) In your balance sheet, the prepayment and creditor amount will set off each other mar And in this case, receiving invoice RM100K when only RM50K work is done, the balance RM50K is like a...advance billing lor. Prepayment is just another name u can call it If the renovation TOTAL cost is not really that big relative to your balance sheet...your auditor might even allow u to capitalise the whole lump sum straight away. That's what I do, anyway... ohh.. understand the prepayment assumption. My total cost already 98% of my total fixed asset. (subsidiary comp only) is that any FSF show we have to capitalise 50% of Renovation first then capitalise another 50% after completion? because it need to summit to bursa.
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SUSjdgobio
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Oct 1 2014, 05:41 PM
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Pink Spider is correct except for the prepayment part. 1st thing to do is to reject the invoice for RM100k and ask them to invoice only for the part completed which is RM50k.
You do not owe the contractor 50k now since they have not completed the job. So you should not show a liability to the creditor.
And you do not have a prepayment of 50k since you did not prepay anything.
And to add: you can park the paid 50k as either CWIP or Asset in Use depending on whether the part completed can be used on its own or not. If cannot use without the balance being completed, then put into CWIP. And in order to start to depreciate your asset, it must be both ready to use and in use.
Aiyo, pls go read the standard lar FRS116.
This post has been edited by jdgobio: Oct 1 2014, 05:45 PM
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SUSPink Spider
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Oct 1 2014, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Oct 1 2014, 05:41 PM) Pink Spider is correct except for the prepayment part. 1st thing to do is to reject the invoice for RM100k and ask them to invoice only for the part completed which is RM50k. You do not owe the contractor 50k now since they have not completed the job. So you should not show a liability to the creditor. And you do not have a prepayment of 50k since you did not prepay anything. +100 If this is significant, by right they should not have INVOICED the whole amount. Do a quotation. Submit claim/invoice for work done to-date, and u pay it. Simple and clean. Oh ya, and u classify it as asset work-in-progress. You don't start depreciate it until the whole work is done, unless u can identify the works separately e.g. RM50K billed is for 1st floor, balance is for 2nd floor for which no work is done yet. Then u will capitalise RM50K as PPE and start depreciating. If u wanna do it proper, you gotta disclose the balance RM50K as contracted renovation works, disclose in the notes to the financial statements. This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Oct 1 2014, 05:46 PM
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TStstan8_8
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Oct 2 2014, 10:01 AM
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Oct 1 2014, 05:41 PM) Pink Spider is correct except for the prepayment part. 1st thing to do is to reject the invoice for RM100k and ask them to invoice only for the part completed which is RM50k. You do not owe the contractor 50k now since they have not completed the job. So you should not show a liability to the creditor. And you do not have a prepayment of 50k since you did not prepay anything. And to add: you can park the paid 50k as either CWIP or Asset in Use depending on whether the part completed can be used on its own or not. If cannot use without the balance being completed, then put into CWIP. And in order to start to depreciate your asset, it must be both ready to use and in use. Aiyo, pls go read the standard lar FRS116. But the invoice have state how many % completion and the remaining balance need to pay after completion.
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TStstan8_8
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Oct 2 2014, 10:31 AM
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Thank For your help.. I understand ..
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