Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Bump Topic Topic Closed RSS Feed

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 Muslim Group

views
     
maraippo
post Jun 16 2015, 03:06 PM

~PoPoPoPoPo~
******
Senior Member
1,165 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Kami's Palace


QUOTE(PVCpipe @ Jun 16 2015, 03:03 PM)
err.....  what is wrong with ajak amoi along? ppl are not as sexual as you... ajak amoi means what to piap? dun be so shallow bero...
*
burnnnnnn tongue.gif
maraippo
post Jun 16 2015, 03:24 PM

~PoPoPoPoPo~
******
Senior Member
1,165 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Kami's Palace


QUOTE
An-Nisa 04:43 O you who believe! Approach not As-Salat (the prayer) when you are in a drunken state until you know (the meaning) of what you utter, nor when you are in a state of Janaba, (i.e. in a state of sexual impurity and have not yet taken a bath) except when travelling on the road (without enough water, or just passing through a mosque), till you wash your whole body. And if you are ill, or on a journey, or one of you comes after answering the call of nature, or you have been in contact with women (by sexual relations) and you find no water, perform Tayammum with clean earth and rub therewith your faces and hands (Tayammum). Truly, Allah is Ever Oft-Pardoning, Oft-Forgiving.


Brothers, want to ask opinions regarding this ayat. It is mention here in this translation that in solat, it is required to know what we are actually saying. But all these while, it seems like the priority is more on verbal in arabic only. Not emphasize on the meaning of what we say in solat. For me, i think this is why the solat is nothing more than 'perbuatan' only for some. Not giving oneself fully when praying.

What do you guys think? is this what happens in non-arabic speaking country mostly?
maraippo
post Jun 16 2015, 04:43 PM

~PoPoPoPoPo~
******
Senior Member
1,165 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Kami's Palace


QUOTE(lene002 @ Jun 16 2015, 04:35 PM)
ayat tu membawa maksud mesti dlm keadaan waras dan boleh berfikir, not in drunken state

slowly go through the meanings of bacaan solat, insyaAllah u can get khusyuk dlm solat insyaAllah
*
then again, kena dalam keadaan waras, for them to know the meanings. macam mana kalau dalam keadaan waras, tapi tak faham pun apa yang dibaca?

maraippo
post Jun 16 2015, 05:29 PM

~PoPoPoPoPo~
******
Senior Member
1,165 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Kami's Palace


QUOTE(PetomJL @ Jun 16 2015, 05:07 PM)
The context of the verse is regarding the prohibition of intoxication. Arak was prohibited in stages (because it had been a rooted culture). First stage an ayat stated the evils of intoxicants, 2nd stage (the above ayat) about you cannot perform solat when in drunken state because you don't know what you're doing (and solat is wajib 5 times daily, it will be difficult for Muslims to find the time in between solat to drink liquor. At this stage most already abandon liquor). The next/last stage was the total ban on intoxicants. That's about the reason behind the above ayat.

About full understanding of what we perform in Solat, (I assume u mean for someone who is fully sober, not under influence of liquor or drugs, right?) the ayat is not relevant because it deals with different situation.

Regarding your question, there are three types of rukun solat, fi'li (the physical movement), qauli (the verbal), qalbi (i.e. niat and proper sequence of rukun). For verbal, there are only 5 things that are wajib in solat: takbir, reciting al-faatihah, reciting tahiyat akhir, salawat in tahiyat akhir and salam. Other than that are rukun fi'li and qalbi and you don't need to recite anything else to make the solat valid (all the bacaan during sujud and all are sunat, although it is very very recommended not to skip). So you see there is no requirement to understand the meaning of the Arabic words for the rukun qauli (which are really not many).

What I am trying to say is, it is not about priority of reciting in Arabic, it just the matter of fulfilling the rukun. Do all the rukun then the solat will be valid (it happen that all the qauli part is required in Arabic).

But, I understand and agree with your concern. By merely perform all the rukun, your solat is valid and you absolve yourself from the obligation to perform solat. That part is settled. But not understanding the meaning of what you're saying (or doing), your solat is less meaningful and solat will become nothing less than a habit. One way to attain khusyu' in solat is by understanding fully the meaning and reason of all the sayings and doings in solat. I'm sure when we (non Arab speakers) first learn to perform solat we all learn the translations as well but as we grew older, we take things for granted and solat becoming more mechanical.

In the end it is up to the individual, either to make the solat something meaningful (the opportunity to get up close with your Creator) or something that one want to get it done quickly with.
*
good answer. ayam satisfied with the response. thumbup.gif

actually for me, things go deeper than that. same things happen in reading the quran. where the practice of most muslims here is reciting Quran. not understanding what it is actually saying. but as you said, "In the end it is up to the individual, either to make the solat something meaningful (the opportunity to get up close with your Creator) or something that one want to get it done quickly with."
maraippo
post Jun 16 2015, 06:28 PM

~PoPoPoPoPo~
******
Senior Member
1,165 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Kami's Palace


QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jun 16 2015, 06:08 PM)
Cuba tengok terjemahan yang lain pulak. Compare 4-5 terjemahan dalam English lepas tu yang dalam bahasa Melayu. Anyway, solat bukan satu yang cuma datang masa zaman Muhammad tapi dari zaman nabi nabi terdahulu termasuk Nabi Musa dan Isa dan even ada tertulis cara cara yang sama dalam Bible sama macam yang kita buat.
*
bro salah faham soalan saya kot smile.gif
maraippo
post Jul 24 2015, 03:13 PM

~PoPoPoPoPo~
******
Senior Member
1,165 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Kami's Palace


QUOTE(xein @ Jul 24 2015, 01:18 PM)
Cakap patung berhala, aku teringat kat seremban dulu ada jalan bernama jalan berhala tetapi sebenarnya jalan itu sehala. Ada kuil hindu disitu.
Sekarang sudah bertukar nama kepada jalan kuil.
kerap juga aku ketawa bila pandu kat situ.

Back on topic...

Pada pandangan aku, hanya segelintir sahaja muslim negara ini yang berkelakuan ekstrim. Segelintir munafik.  Segelintir jahil. Tetapi ramai yang moderate... cuma yang moderate ini tak beberapa nak bersuara.

Bagi ustaz2 lama, mungkin masa mereka belajar dahulu  ada perkara2 yang telah mereka saksikan dan alami juga dari guru2 mereka sendiri akibat dari mereka yang non- muslim. Maka mereka menyampaikan kepada kita.

Namun kini, aku rasa perkara2 yang memisahkan manusia bukanlah agama, darah, keturunan, warna kulit.

Tetapi hati... hati yang tidak dijaga dengan baik, maka lahirlah golongan ekstrimis, taksub, fanatic dan sebagainya.
*
masalahnya bila ramainya jahil je.

kat malaysia ni muslims ada beberapa masalah

1) jahil - bodo. kesudahan jadi ekstremist buta2. buat bantahan bukan2. kena tang dia takpa. contoh mudah: konsert luar sanggup buat bantahan. konsert local artist cam jom heboh, anugerah itu ini semua tu semua pakat layan ramai2. takdak hal

2) belajar agama tinggi sangat - belajar agama tinggi2 lepas tu kapirkan orang sana sini.

3) liberal - semua boleh. tang kena kat dia ja tak boleh. islam tu salah, lapuk, xleh pakai

4) bisnesman - semua dia nak islamkan, sunnahkan. lepas tu cop harga mahal2


maraippo
post Sep 3 2015, 04:12 PM

~PoPoPoPoPo~
******
Senior Member
1,165 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Kami's Palace


QUOTE(xandercooper @ Sep 3 2015, 03:51 PM)
Assalamualaikum,

nak tnya saudara-saudari semua.

1) mengenai kisah seorang pelacur memberi minum anjing, dikatakan dia masuk ke syurga. Jadi disini sy nk tnye, adakah walaupon dosa kita bnyk tp disebabkan 1 perbuatan yg ikhlas dpt memberi kita syurga?


2) Semasa Isra' dan Mikraj Nabi SAW melihat penghuni syurga dan neraka. Siapa yg menghuni syurga dan neraka itu sebenarnya? ataupun itu hanya gambaran yg Allah beri kpd Nabi SAW?

3) Semasa di pdg masyar kita akan meminta syafaat bermula dr Nabi Adam dan seterusnya, msing2 akan mengatakan mereka ada membuat kesalahan. Bknkah nabi2 ini terpelihara dr dosa?

4) Pada zaman skrg kita dpt lihat rmai yg menunjukkan aurat mereka padahal mereka juga solat 5 waktu. Solat adalah tiang agama jd adakah solat mereka tidak diterima yg menyebabkan mereka msih lg melakukan perbuatan munkar?

Mohon penjelasan kpd setiap pertnyaan. Kalau ada uztaz dlm ni lg bgus  thumbup.gif
*
Soalan menarik. Aku try jawab dari kuliah2 yang aku pernah dengar:

1) syurga neraka tu hak Allah semata2. pahala setinggi gunung pun kalau Allah tak perkenan, itu hak dia. orang buat dosa segunung pun kalau Allah perkenan, tu hak dia. sebab tu kita kat dunia ni jangan cepat tuding jari orang buat salah sikit terus masuk neraka dan sebagainya. mungkin berdosa dan bertaubat. sesungguhnya Allah tu Maha Pemaaf

4) Dalam solat tu kalau kita fahami bacaan2 nya, maksud bacaan2 yg disampaikan tu lebih kepada membawa kita menyerahkan diri kita kepada Allah. melainkan kita betul2 khusyuk, menyampaikan maksud bacaan2 tu dalam hati, kita bukan lah menyerahkan sepenuhnya diri kita kepada Allah. Tu ada orang kata, sembahyang yang mcm tak sembahyang. Pasal hadis solat mencegah kemungkaran, ada soalan mengenai orang solat tapi masih melakukan dosa. Pasal ni, ulama sepakat kata dia bukan solat yang sebenar2nya. Sebab kalau kita menyerahkan diri sepenuhnya kepada Allah, berani ke kita nak buat dosa lagi kan?

soalan2 lain tu, aku pun berminat nak tahu. hehe

Topic ClosedOptions
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.1632sec    0.31    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 7th December 2025 - 03:40 PM