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post Feb 22 2021, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(halotaikor. @ Feb 22 2021, 04:45 PM)
you misunderstood the question. dont take offense.

i dont mean in this world. im talking about in paradise.

jika kita sudah mengenal kebenaran (Allah), maka kita haruslah mempunyai cita-cita untuk bertemu denganNya. dan jika kita benar cinta pada Allah, kita mahu bersatu denganNya.

jadi kenapa kita masih impikan syurga, sedangkan syurga adalah makhluk Allah juga?
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Allah made syurga as a reward for the righteous. He is All-Wise. He knows what is best for His creations. Thus, syurga is the best reward for his righteous servants. Even the prophet pbuh encouraged us to pray for paradise.

Anas bin Malik narrated that the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) said:
"Whoever asks Allah (s.w.t) Paradise three times, Paradise says: 'O Allah, admit him into Paradise', and whoever seeks refuge from the Fire three times, the Fire says: 'O Allah, save him from the Fire.'"

https://sunnah.com/urn/727670

You are basing your views based on your understanding of love. But love is subjective. It is different for different people.
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post Feb 22 2021, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(halotaikor. @ Feb 22 2021, 05:02 PM)
why not?

we cant be a CREATOR in paradise ?

any dalil to support this ?
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There's one hadith, that said:

Buraydah ibn al-Hasib reported: A man asked the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, “O Messenger of Allah, will there be camels in Paradise?” The Prophet said, “If Allah admits you in Paradise, you will have whatever your soul desires and pleases your eyes.”


You could be anything you want in paradise. And anything. You want to become a king, a farmer, an alchemist, create kingdoms out of thin air, it is possible based on this hadith. Whatever your soul desires.

But you can't be a creator alongside God, since paradise and your soul is created by Him.


112: 1

Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “He is Allah—One ˹and Indivisible˺
Allah—the Sustainer ˹needed by all˺.
He has never had offspring, nor was He born.
And there is none comparable to Him.


But for me brother, Its wise to think on how to get in there in the first place before worrying on such trivial stuff. biggrin.gif
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post Feb 22 2021, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(reed90 @ Feb 22 2021, 06:46 PM)
There's one hadith, that said:

Buraydah ibn al-Hasib reported: A man asked the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, “O Messenger of Allah, will there be camels in Paradise?” The Prophet said, “If Allah admits you in Paradise, you will have whatever your soul desires and pleases your eyes.”
You could be anything you want in paradise. And anything. You want to become a king, a farmer, an alchemist, create kingdoms out of thin air, it is possible based on this hadith. Whatever your soul desires.

But you can't be a creator alongside God, since paradise and your soul is created by Him.
112: 1

Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “He is Allah—One ˹and Indivisible˺
Allah—the Sustainer ˹needed by all˺.
He has never had offspring, nor was He born.
And there is none comparable to Him.
But for me brother, Its wise to think on how to get in there in the first place before worrying on such trivial stuff.  biggrin.gif
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its not about worrying. but its the pillar of our Tauhid and Iman.

if i want to go to paradise, i must truly understand my MOTIVE.

do i want to go to paradise because i want to see his another creation (paradise)? or do i want to go paradise because i miss him ?


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post Feb 22 2021, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(halotaikor. @ Feb 22 2021, 07:05 PM)
its not about worrying. but its the pillar of our Tauhid and Iman.

if i want to go to paradise, i must truly understand my MOTIVE.

do i want to go to paradise because i want to see his another creation (paradise)? or do i want to go paradise because i miss him ?
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What's wrong for wanting to go to paradise? We are, after all, advised to long for it. And to want to go to paradise does not and will not negate the fact that we want to see God with our own eyes. These two things are independent of each other, where you can actually have both existing at the same time.

To miss God but not wanting for paradise, on the other hand, may just get you hell instead (since you don't want paradise)
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post Feb 22 2021, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(halotaikor. @ Feb 22 2021, 07:05 PM)
its not about worrying. but its the pillar of our Tauhid and Iman.

if i want to go to paradise, i must truly understand my MOTIVE.

do i want to go to paradise because i want to see his another creation (paradise)? or do i want to go paradise because i miss him ?
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I think you're confusing this "motive" with the "stages" of ikhlas a person has.

https://ikimfm.my/menggapai-ikhlas/

There are few stages of ikhlas that you need to know:

1. “ikhlas orang awam” – Manusia kebiasaannya akan mengakui melakukan sesuatu itu kerana mencari redha Allah, tetapi golongan awam ini pada masa sama turut mengharapkan perkara lain seperti pujian dan kepentingan. Ketika berdoa pun, selalunya ia berharap kepada keinginan duniawi. Walaupun ini tingkatan terendah, namun masih baik kerana ia hanya meminta hanya kepada Allah saja.


2. “ikhlas orang mujahadah” – mereka ini berusaha melawan nafsu diri dalam melakukan amal kebaikan demi menghindarkan diri dari azab Allah. Ibadah dan kebaikan dilakukan kerana takut dengan azab dan usahanya diharap dapat menjauhkannya dari balasan buruk di akhirat. Dia berharap amal tersebut dapat menghapuskan dosa serta menguntungkan dunia dan akhiratnya.

3. ikhlas orang Ilmu” – Mereka melaksanakan kebaikan dan ketaatan kerana tahu akan kelebihan yang datang bersamanya. Contohnya apabila mendirikan solat dhuha, mereka tahu akan antara kelebihan ganjaran solat dhuha itu menjadikan rezeki itu berkat dan mudah untuk diberikan Allah SWT justeru mudah mengikuti perintah dan larangan Allah SWT agar dapat memperoleh rezeki yang disebutkan.

4. Yang keempat adalah “ikhlas orang istimewa” – Mereka yang berada di tingkatan ini mengharapkan Allah mengurniakan pahala atas amalan dan ibadahnya. Ia mengharapkan ganjaran atau balasan atas amalan yang dilakukannya itu akan mendapat balasan baik dariAllah, sehingga amal yang dikerjakannya betul-betul diperuntukkan sebagai bekal hidup diakhirat kelak, agar ia meraih syurga; balasan tertinggi dari Allah.

Yang tertinggi dalam tingkatan ikhlas adalah ikhlas orang teristimewa – mereka ini tergolong dalam kumpulan ikhlas melaksanakan ibadah dan ketaatan tanpa mengharapkan ganjaran baik di dunia mahupun di akhirat. Ia melakukan ibadah dan amalan kebaikan kerana mengharapkan keredhaan dan cinta Allah semata-mata. Sebenar-benar memberi dan beramal tanpa memikirkan apa yang akan dibalas oleh Allah. Ia sebagaimana disebutkan seorang sufi terkenal Rabiatul Adawiyah yang berkata: “Tidaklah aku menyembah Engkau karena takut neraka dan tidak pula karena ingin syurga, maka aku nisbahkan ibadahku itu kepada-Mu”.


Like we normal people just do stuff to avoid going to hellfire, but there are some highly pious people out there who are doing it just for the sake of Allah's love.

And this is the highest and most difficult stage of ikhlas. But at the end, The concept of heaven, and all of us is the created while He is the Creator doesn't change.






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post Feb 22 2021, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(abu.shofwan @ Feb 22 2021, 07:11 PM)
What's wrong for wanting to go to paradise? We are, after all, advised to long for it. And to want to go to paradise does not and will not negate the fact that we want to see God with our own eyes. These two things are independent of each other, where you can actually have both existing at the same time.

To miss God but not wanting for paradise, on the other hand, may just get you hell instead (since you don't want paradise)
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when i say i dont want paradise i mean it like what imam syafie means.

i dont see anything wrong with it.

this issue has been discussed many times before even by the fiqh ulama themselves.


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post Feb 22 2021, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(estacado @ Feb 22 2021, 06:43 PM)
Allah made syurga as a reward for the righteous. He is All-Wise. He knows what is best for His creations. Thus, syurga is the best reward for his righteous servants. Even the prophet pbuh encouraged us to pray for paradise.

Anas bin Malik narrated that the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) said:
"Whoever asks Allah (s.w.t) Paradise three times, Paradise says: 'O Allah, admit him into Paradise', and whoever seeks refuge from the Fire three times, the Fire says: 'O Allah, save him from the Fire.'"

https://sunnah.com/urn/727670

You are basing your views based on your understanding of love. But love is subjective. It is different for different people.
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isnt it the story of Noah and Lot for example have shown Allah is being OBJECTIVE in his values?

if Allah capable of showing great wrath, how do you assume He is not capable of showing true love?


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post Feb 22 2021, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(halotaikor. @ Feb 22 2021, 08:18 PM)
isnt it the story of Noah and Lot for example have shown Allah is being OBJECTIVE in his values?

if Allah capable of showing great wrath, how do you assume He is not capable of showing true love?
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My post has nothing about Allah showing love. What i meant was that a human's feeling of love is subjective to his life experience. Not everybody will have a longing of being one with God. Some may want to be under His subject and protection forever. And how can you be sure that after seeing Allah and knowing the absolute truth, we will want to be one with Allah. It can also be that we will want forever to be under His grace and protection.
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post Feb 23 2021, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(halotaikor. @ Feb 22 2021, 07:39 PM)
when i say i dont want paradise i mean it like what imam syafie means.

i dont see anything wrong with it.

this issue has been discussed many times before even by the fiqh ulama themselves.


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Sorry, I'm not familiar with what you say Imam Syafii said. He's said and written a lot of things, so I beg you be specific.

But I think we're digressing from your original question here.

When you said penghambaan, did you mean things like pray, zakah, fasting? If so, afaik, these are prescribed for us for the world/dunia. I haven't been able to find any literature to say that we will still have those obligations once we enter jannah.

This post has been edited by abu.shofwan: Feb 23 2021, 10:32 AM
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QUOTE(halotaikor. @ Feb 22 2021, 07:39 PM)
when i say i dont want paradise i mean it like what imam syafie means.

i dont see anything wrong with it.

this issue has been discussed many times before even by the fiqh ulama themselves.


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Do you understand the meaning of "tawaduk"?
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post Feb 23 2021, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(halotaikor. @ Feb 22 2021, 08:18 PM)
isnt it the story of Noah and Lot for example have shown Allah is being OBJECTIVE in his values?

if Allah capable of showing great wrath, how do you assume He is not capable of showing true love?
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He is more than capable of showing true love.

He is al Wadud.

If you're arguing about objectivism, you have to understand surah Al kahf first (the story of al khidr and musa). First of all, no one can truly understands the wisdom of God in this world.

Things may not appear the way it seems now, but in the afterlife everything will be clear.

“Allah Azza wa Jalla menjadikan rahmat seratus bahagian. Dia menyimpan di sisi-Nya sembilan puluh sembilan bahagian dan diturunkannya ke bumi ini satu bahagian. Satu bahagian inilah yang dibagi kepada seluruh makhluk sehingga seekor binatang akan mengangkat kakinya kerana dorongan kasih sayang, khuatir jangan sampai kakinya menginjak anaknya.”

(Hadith Riwayat Muslim)

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post Feb 23 2021, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(reed90 @ Feb 23 2021, 08:55 AM)
Do you understand the meaning of "tawaduk"?
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of course i understand. whats the relation in this matter?

if in any case you should apply this on yourself. fiqh is not everything. there are many other branches of knowledge in islam that you should explore.
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QUOTE(EarendurFefalas @ Mar 1 2021, 11:52 AM)
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"i want to become CREATOR like HIM"
dayum thats heavy and totally the whole new level bro
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post Mar 1 2021, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(halotaikor. @ Feb 23 2021, 09:48 AM)
of course i understand. whats the relation in this matter?

if in any case you should apply this on yourself. fiqh is not everything. there are many other branches of knowledge in islam that you should explore.
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kindly enlighten me then, and what is the correlation behind it, as I'm also an aspiring student of knowledge. What branch? what book? which ulama?
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salam semua,

saya ingin bertanya,

bagaimanakah caranya saya ingin berjumpa dengan nabi khidir?

apakah kebarangkaliannya nabi khidir sedang berada di mekah?

jazakallahukhairan
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Apakah Nabi Khidir masih hidup?
Berikut kutipan keterangan Dr. Umar Sulaiman Al-Asyqar dalam buku beliau Ar-Rusulu war Risalat;

Sekelompok ulama berpendapat bahwa Khidir masih hidup dan belum mati. Dan terdapat beberapa riwayat yang menjelaskan hal ini. Keberadaan pendapat belum matinya Nabi Khidir, telah membuka pintu munculnya berbagai khurafat dan kedustaan. Banyak orang yang menyalahgunakan pendapat ini dan mengaku pernah bertemu Nabi Khidir, dan beliau memberikan beberapa nasihat serta menyampaikan berbagai perintah. Kemudian mereka meriwayatkan berbagai cerita aneh tentang Nabi Khidir, dan berbagai berita yang diingkari secara logika yang sehat.

Kemudian, banyak ulama besar muhadditsin (ahli hadis) yang berpendapat lemahnya riwayat yang menyatakan bahwa Nabi Khidir masih hidup. Di antara ulama hadis yang melemahkan riwayat ini adalah Imam Bukhari, Ibnu Dihyah, Al-Hafidz Ibnu Katsir, dan Al-Hafidz Ibnu Hajar Al-Asqalani. Alasan terkuat yang mereka sampaikan untuk membantah pendapat masih hidupnya Nabi Khidir:

Pertama, Tidak ada satu pun hadis yang shahih yang menyatakan Nabi Khidir masih hidup.



Referensi: https://konsultasisyariah.com/12108-apakah-...asih-hidup.html

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