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post Dec 18 2020, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(seiferalmercy @ Dec 18 2020, 11:59 AM)
Tak tau hmm.gif . Saya syorkan tuan email kepada pensyarah2 sirah di University, mungkin ada yg boleh bagi jawapan.
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terima kasih atas jawapan yang bernas ini.

jazakallahu
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post Dec 23 2020, 11:17 AM

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recently read a thread about suicide in /k, make me wonder about the verse

“Allah tidak membebani seseorang melainkan sesuai dengan kesanggupannya.”
(Surah al Baqarah 2:286)

is suicide considered 'kesanggupan' here? or is it clearly an act against the verse, hence commit big sin?

Allah know the limit for each human and his creation and He knows whether a man can take it or not, so why he still uji those who can't take it and resort to suicide when life hit the wall? maybe give easy ujian perhaps?
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post Dec 23 2020, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Dec 23 2020, 11:17 AM)
recently read a thread about suicide in /k, make me wonder about the verse

“Allah tidak membebani seseorang melainkan sesuai dengan kesanggupannya.”
(Surah al Baqarah 2:286)

is suicide considered 'kesanggupan' here? or is it clearly an act against the verse, hence commit big sin?

Allah know the limit for each human and his creation and He knows whether a man can take it or not, so why he still uji those who can't take it and resort to suicide when life hit the wall? maybe give easy ujian perhaps?
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Any test that you receive, Allah knows that you can handle it.

Honestly, I've thought about this a lot. I give thanks to Allah for Him taking out me from the slumps of depression couple of years back.

Generally, its forbidden.

Maksudnya: “Sesiapa yang membunuh diri dengan besi, maka di neraka jahanam nanti besi itu selalu di tangannya, ia menusuk-nusukkannya ke perutnya selama-lamanya. Dan barangsiapa bunuh diri dengan meminum racun, maka di neraka jahanam nanti ia akan terus meminumnya selama-lamanya. Dan barangsiapa bunuh diri dengan menjatuhkan diri dari gunung, maka di neraka jahanam nanti, ia akan menjatuhkan (dirinya) selama-lamanya.”

(Sahih Muslim no. 109)

For your own, please keep yourself away from it.

Hadith Qudsi 28:
On the authority of Jundub ibn Abdullah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said:
There was amongst those before you a man who had a wound. He was in [such] anguish that he took a knife and made with it a cut in his hand, and the blood did not cease to flow till he died. Allah the Almighty said: My servant has himself forestalled Me; I have forbidden him Paradise.



However, if you see other people suicide, then please don't judge him / her and say he will go to hell, etc. Only Allah can judge him. His mercy is more than His wrath.

Say, ˹O Prophet, that Allah says,˺ “O My servants who have exceeded the limits against their souls! Do not lose hope in Allah’s mercy, for Allah certainly forgives all sins.1 He is indeed the All-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (39:53)

Jundab reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “A man said: By Allah, Allah will not forgive this person! Allah Almighty said: Who is he who swore by me that I will not forgive someone? I have forgiven him and nullified your good deeds.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2621


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post Dec 23 2020, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(reed90 @ Dec 23 2020, 11:35 AM)
Any test that you receive, Allah knows that you can handle it.

Honestly, I've thought about this a lot. I give thanks to Allah for Him taking out me from the slumps of depression couple of years back.

Generally, its forbidden.

Maksudnya: “Sesiapa yang membunuh diri dengan besi, maka di neraka jahanam nanti besi itu selalu di tangannya, ia menusuk-nusukkannya ke perutnya selama-lamanya. Dan barangsiapa bunuh diri dengan meminum racun, maka di neraka jahanam nanti ia akan terus meminumnya selama-lamanya. Dan barangsiapa bunuh diri dengan menjatuhkan diri dari gunung, maka di neraka jahanam nanti, ia akan menjatuhkan (dirinya) selama-lamanya.”

(Sahih Muslim no. 109)

For your own, please keep yourself away from it.

Hadith Qudsi 28:
On the authority of Jundub ibn Abdullah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said:
There was amongst those before you a man who had a wound. He was in [such] anguish that he took a knife and made with it a cut in his hand, and the blood did not cease to flow till he died. Allah the Almighty said: My servant has himself forestalled Me; I have forbidden him Paradise.
However, if you see other people suicide, then please don't judge him / her and say he will go to hell, etc. Only Allah can judge him. His mercy is more than His wrath.

Say, ˹O Prophet, that Allah says,˺ “O My servants who have exceeded the limits against their souls! Do not lose hope in Allah’s mercy, for Allah certainly forgives all sins.1 He is indeed the All-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (39:53)

Jundab reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “A man said: By Allah, Allah will not forgive this person! Allah Almighty said: Who is he who swore by me that I will not forgive someone? I have forgiven him and nullified your good deeds.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2621
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"Any test that you receive, Allah knows that you can handle it."

if Allah knows he can handle it, meaning he will pass the test and suicide will not take place.
unless, refer to your phrase about 'we cannot judge people on whatever they do', which i bilip including suicide, suicide is in the same scope as 'you can handle it/ the way u handle it', and Allah is ok with it.


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post Dec 23 2020, 02:46 PM

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I have question about fatwas in Malaysia. Has there been any cases of fatwas being revisited, revised, or dissolved in Malaysia.
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post Dec 23 2020, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Dec 23 2020, 02:43 PM)
"Any test that you receive, Allah knows that you can handle it."

if Allah knows he can handle it, meaning he will pass the test and suicide will not take place.
unless, refer to your phrase about 'we cannot judge people on whatever they do', which i bilip including suicide, suicide is in the same scope as 'you can handle it/ the way u handle it', and Allah is ok with it.
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https://islamqa.info/en/answers/43021/nothi...ecree-of-allaah

https://muftiwp.gov.my/en/artikel/irsyad-al...y-of-each-human

This is indeed a complex topic. As a laymen myself, forgive me for not able to explain it in depth.

However it is already written and destined, there's nothing you can do as well. The ink is dry.

Passing the test is not equivalent to live or commiting suicide.

passing the test is entering heaven.

For us, just hope that we don't fall through that route.

Allah knows best.


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post Dec 26 2020, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(zemega @ Dec 23 2020, 02:46 PM)
I have question about fatwas in Malaysia. Has there been any cases of fatwas being revisited, revised, or dissolved in Malaysia.
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I don't really know much, but one case I can remember is fatwa on ASB. As u know for ASB some states allow it, while other not allowed. However, there are some states who initially disallowed it. But later after series of deliberation, and with new information and facts, they revised earlier decision, and made it permissible.
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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Dec 23 2020, 11:17 AM)
recently read a thread about suicide in /k, make me wonder about the verse

“Allah tidak membebani seseorang melainkan sesuai dengan kesanggupannya.”
(Surah al Baqarah 2:286)

is suicide considered 'kesanggupan' here? or is it clearly an act against the verse, hence commit big sin?

Allah know the limit for each human and his creation and He knows whether a man can take it or not, so why he still uji those who can't take it and resort to suicide when life hit the wall? maybe give easy ujian perhaps?
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I think kesanggupan refers to all form of tests in life. I like to believe that if we think the burden is so hard, it is because we haven't fully grasp the idea that we are capable of overcoming it. And that sooner or later it will pass, and we wil pass the test.

And even if we are not able to take the ujian, I like to believe it's god's way of preparing for a better rewards in hereafter. After all no good deeds is going to waste, especially if you stay patient.

For suicide, as human our logic may tells us that it is the solution. And why not, coz it will take everything away, all the pain. But again I like to the think this way.

We belong to Allah. Every thing we own, every piece and inch of our body is just a tool or medium that is given by God. And it is not within our right to damage or harm what does not belong to us.

Yes I know it is easier said than done, especially if you dont personally experience the anxiety... I can only hope that God will give strength to those facing such condition.
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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Dec 23 2020, 11:17 AM)
recently read a thread about suicide in /k, make me wonder about the verse

“Allah tidak membebani seseorang melainkan sesuai dengan kesanggupannya.”
(Surah al Baqarah 2:286)

is suicide considered 'kesanggupan' here? or is it clearly an act against the verse, hence commit big sin?

Allah know the limit for each human and his creation and He knows whether a man can take it or not, so why he still uji those who can't take it and resort to suicide when life hit the wall? maybe give easy ujian perhaps?
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I think it's not so much about whether you'll be able to get above and through the test, but more of acceptance (redha) of such hurdle being a test and then to strive to overcome it.

Some are tested with diseases that they cannot possibly overcome, like cancer. Some are tested with poverty through their entire life. Surely, we saw they struggled and never being able to get over it. Are we then to judge that Allah had tested them with something they are not capable of handling, against Allah's own 2:286?

Suicide is by choice. One make own choice to forfeits own life immediately instead of struggling to move forward to find potential through a longer journey.
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post Jan 29 2021, 05:44 PM

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maaf saya masih ada soalan lagi,

manakah dosa yang lebih besar disisi Allah?

1)terlibat dengan arak

atau

2)terlibat dengan riba

saya ada terdengar kawan saya kata setitik arak diminum solat tak sah 40 hari. tetapi saya ada juga dengar Allah perintahkan kita memerangi riba. jika hadis ini sahih, bagaimana ianya boleh lebih tinggi kedudukannya dari firman Allah ?

mohon penjelasannya ustaz. jazakallahukhairan.
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post Jan 29 2021, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(halotaikor. @ Jan 29 2021, 05:44 PM)
maaf saya masih ada soalan lagi,

manakah dosa yang lebih besar disisi Allah?

1)terlibat dengan arak

atau

2)terlibat dengan riba

saya ada terdengar kawan saya kata setitik arak diminum solat tak sah 40 hari. tetapi saya ada juga dengar Allah perintahkan kita memerangi riba. jika hadis ini sahih, bagaimana ianya boleh lebih tinggi kedudukannya dari firman Allah ?

mohon penjelasannya ustaz. jazakallahukhairan.
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solat sah, tapi xde ganjaran utk solat tu
kalau minum arak, lepas tu x solat, dua2 dosa besar kita dapat, dosa minum arak, dosa tinggal solat
'guys, gua baru minum arak, so gua xleh solat 40 hari, gua solat pun xde guna' - jgn jadi mcm ni

utk riba' pulak, kalau dah nabi & Allah sendiri isytihar perang ke atas kita, memang x boleh nak sangkal lagi beratnya dosa riba tu

point, dua2 dosa besar, kita CUBA utk jauhkan diri kita dari dua2 tu


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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Jan 29 2021, 06:37 PM)
solat sah, tapi xde ganjaran utk solat tu
kalau minum arak, lepas tu x solat, dua2 dosa besar kita dapat, dosa minum arak, dosa tinggal solat
'guys, gua baru minum arak, so gua xleh solat 40 hari, gua solat pun xde guna' - jgn jadi mcm ni

utk riba' pulak, kalau dah nabi & Allah sendiri isytihar perang ke atas kita, memang x boleh nak sangkal lagi beratnya dosa riba tu

point, dua2 dosa besar, kita CUBA utk jauhkan diri kita dari dua2 tu
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saya dah 5 tahun kerja dengan maybank. dah lama terfikir nak berhenti.

macam mana nak perangi riba kalau berperang dengan majikan pun tak mampu?

berat dosanya tu. allahu.
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QUOTE(halotaikor. @ Jan 29 2021, 06:52 PM)
saya dah 5 tahun kerja dengan maybank. dah lama terfikir nak berhenti.

macam mana nak perangi riba kalau berperang dengan majikan pun tak mampu?

berat dosanya tu. allahu.
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Saudara tinggalkan dulu kerja tu, cari kerja tempat lain. Rezeki tu Allah yang bagi, bukan bos kita. Mungkin akan struggle atau derita sekejap, tapi akan selamat dunia akhirat. Kalau mati besok, tak sempat taubat, kita akan menyesal.
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QUOTE(halotaikor. @ Jan 29 2021, 06:52 PM)
saya dah 5 tahun kerja dengan maybank. dah lama terfikir nak berhenti.

macam mana nak perangi riba kalau berperang dengan majikan pun tak mampu?

berat dosanya tu. allahu.
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Sentiasa berusaha cari kerja lain. Tapi tak perlu berhenti secara mendadak jika itu lagi mendatangkan masalah, lebih2 lagi masa covid nie. Yang penting jgn berhenti berusaha, dan cari peluang. Allah akan tanya apa usaha kita untuk keluar dari riba... Jika kita ikhlas dan jujur berusaha, pasti Allah buka jalan....
Tak cuba di Maybank Islamic...?
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QUOTE(farisq @ Jan 29 2021, 08:16 PM)
Sentiasa berusaha cari kerja lain. Tapi tak perlu berhenti secara mendadak jika itu lagi mendatangkan masalah, lebih2 lagi masa covid nie. Yang penting jgn berhenti berusaha, dan cari peluang. Allah akan tanya apa usaha kita untuk keluar dari riba... Jika kita ikhlas dan jujur berusaha, pasti Allah buka jalan....
Tak cuba di Maybank Islamic...?
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Maybank islamic dah tak de riba ke?
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QUOTE(halotaikor. @ Jan 29 2021, 05:44 PM)
maaf saya masih ada soalan lagi,

manakah dosa yang lebih besar disisi Allah?

1)terlibat dengan arak

atau

2)terlibat dengan riba

saya ada terdengar kawan saya kata setitik arak diminum solat tak sah 40 hari. tetapi saya ada juga dengar Allah perintahkan kita memerangi riba. jika hadis ini sahih, bagaimana ianya boleh lebih tinggi kedudukannya dari firman Allah ?

mohon penjelasannya ustaz. jazakallahukhairan.
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There is a story of Imam Malik, where he was asked tgis question. You can read it in the link below.

https://rumaysho.com/15362-makan-riba-lebih...ndu-khamar.html

Long story ahort, he is of the opinion that riba is worse than khomr.


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QUOTE(abu.shofwan @ Jan 31 2021, 07:06 PM)
There is a story of Imam Malik, where he was asked tgis question. You can read it in the link below.

https://rumaysho.com/15362-makan-riba-lebih...ndu-khamar.html

Long story ahort, he is of the opinion that riba is worse than khomr.
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never heard this one
thanks

later peminum arak when getting nasihat, might ask back 'ente ada ambil loan tak? ada? maka ente lagi besar dosanya dari dosa ana minum arak ini'

lulz
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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Jan 31 2021, 07:28 PM)
never heard this one
thanks

later peminum arak when getting nasihat, might ask back 'ente ada ambil loan tak? ada? maka ente lagi besar dosanya dari dosa ana minum arak ini'

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Hahaha...
Then both should accept the other's advice to stop what they're doing. Right?
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QUOTE(abu.shofwan @ Jan 31 2021, 07:03 PM)
Maybank islamic dah tak de riba ke?
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Ye, takde de riba
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QUOTE(farisq @ Jan 31 2021, 08:54 PM)
Ye, takde de riba
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That's good to know.

So that means that they buy before we buy?

As in, if I wanted to buy a car (car loan) with them, they will buy that car for me and then I will pay them without any down-payment made to the dealer?

Also, money we keep in the bank will not give interest?

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