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post Feb 14 2016, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(haziqk10 @ Feb 14 2016, 02:25 PM)
1) Religion is between the person and god. Problem is the government will bothers that person as long as that person have Islam in their IC like for example drinking alchohol, having sex outside marriage and not fasting in Ramadhan. They wont ignore as long as you have Islam in the IC.

2) So you guys choose which one more convinient and just leave others since its troublesome. Sounds like a moderate muslim would do. Why pick up things that only convinient for yourself.
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You see that as a problem. I see that as a challenge.

As for no.2 like i said it always on the list. Not ignore.
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post Feb 14 2016, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(haziqk10 @ Feb 14 2016, 11:01 PM)
There ia reason why people study laws nowdays and not based on what in Quran/Sunnah told us.

You can say that true judge is Allah. But how do you know that its true? Based on what said in Quran/Sunnah only with no evident that its really happened. Besides Quran/Sunnah, there is no other eveident for the said punishment. Heck, there is not even prove that afterlife is real.
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So is there prove that afterlife is not real?

So why people study law? To spin lie become truth, and truth become a lie? To manipulate law for own benifit? To take advantage of loophole?
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post Feb 15 2016, 07:14 AM

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QUOTE(haziqk10 @ Feb 15 2016, 01:54 AM)
Im sure it working fine, before that is. Thats why i asked about now, in this modern era. Its just not reliable anymore. We need to constant improving and Quran/Sunnah is holding the muslim back. Which is why the glorious islamic civilization in the past come to an end. Just look at how Islamic countries in the world nowdays.

Im sorry but I cant agree with the claim of great revelation called the Quran. I studied it and its definately is not. So much flaw in it.
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Quran sunnah did not hold muslim back. But the muslim themself, maybe bcoz fail to understand quran sunnah the correct way.
No civilization last long. and it also a sign that end of world is near for the muslim believer.
Good you study the quran. You see as the flaw but maybe you fail to underatand why the flaw exist. The quran might not be for you now. May god bless you.
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post Feb 15 2016, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(haziqk10 @ Feb 15 2016, 12:03 PM)
Im sorry for offending people in here. I was a muslim, technically still is if based on IC. I studied many different translation of Quran and my ustaz regarding it. And when its regarding an offensive translation of Quran, he keep saying im under influence of syaitan and should pray more and not answering the questions.

Not only 1 ustaz mind you, almost all of them are like that. And think about this, if Quran is really for all human and suitable for all time, why is there so many different translation of it. It should be easy to understand for all people. No need to having to refer to a certain scholar which no one have give authority/represent Islam.

Im just gonna tell 1 of many other things that I found the flaw is. If you have time, please read more regarding the prophet and sexual slavery.
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so what your religion now? do you find the truth in other religion? and the reason you leave islam?
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post Feb 15 2016, 08:36 PM

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Feb 15 2016, 08:40 PM
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post Feb 16 2016, 08:06 AM

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QUOTE(haziqk10 @ Feb 15 2016, 11:59 PM)
Please look at this question.

https://islamqa.info/en/10382

And I did verify the citation from the answer in that question. The surah and verse. I didnt just read the answer and blindly accept without checking the source of the answer. Thanks.

Edited : I even found video in youtube from Dr. Zakir Naik and he also provide the source for his answer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYr8l1hkp0U
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maybe you want to read this to get better view and focus more in important thing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/is...slavery_1.shtml


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post Feb 16 2016, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(s2peMocls @ Feb 16 2016, 10:22 AM)
It's very simple really. When a cartoonists offends the religion, millions take to the streets in angry protests, but does nothing against the fundamentalists destroying other societies.

I would just like to know why.
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media not sensationalize it.
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post Feb 18 2016, 11:49 PM

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Mereka ni mencari kebenaran atau mencari alasan? Entah la labu...
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post Feb 22 2016, 05:01 PM

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so guys. i found this vid. im personally, rasa kurang senang dengan cara dr zakir naik cuba mengislamkan orang jepun dalam vid ini dan vid yang lain di channel itu. bukan kah ini satu cara paksaan psikologi? what do you think?
lucu jugak la tengok gelagat mereka bila nak kena convert. serba salah semua.



oh.. when im posting this i can read those deleted post above. interesting.. why in quran mention the prophet as unlettered prophet? can story what the story that misunderstood?
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post Feb 22 2016, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(notoriousfiq @ Feb 22 2016, 06:14 PM)
Honestly, I am not a big fan of Zakir Naik, due to different beliefs. But from the lense of traditional Islam, what he did here is no wrong.

Indeed, the most important thing in Islam is to believe in God: There is no god but God, Muhammad is the messenger of God. Other prohibition in Islam, such as pork or alcohol is much smaller than syirk. So they should NEVER be in the way of someone who wants to embrace Islam.

p.s: I was shocked when zakir said it's okay to eat dolphin though.. lol.. In literal Islamic tradition, maybe thats correct. But as a rationalist Muslim, of course I don't agree with that simply.

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about my belief that Muhammad was not illiterate, (for xein & s2peMocls too)
That's why I said we must know the history to understand the ayat. We should learn the history of pre-Islamic Arabia (tanah Arab sebelum Muhammad bawa Islam).

There's a lot of things Muslims today don't know about pre-Islamic Arabia. We call it "zaman jahiliyyah", and we imagine them having no religion, maksiat sana sini, kekejaman sana sini, no rule whatsoever, etc. This is of course wrong.

Anyway, to cut the story short, during that time, one of the people having prominent role in (pagan) religion are poets. These poets (arabic: kuhhan) supposedly have strong spiritual connections, and can recite divine poems. Muhammad did not believe those kuhhan, he believed they are fake (ala raja bomoh but minus the funny rituals).

So when Gabriel came to Muhammad in Hira', he asked Muhammad to "recite", not "read". [Note, they both "Iqra" in Arabic, and "baca" in Malay, so its understandable that people can confuse them.] When Gabriel said "recite!", he was talking about doing what kuhhans do. Muhammad, who do not like the kuhhan, of course don't know & didn't like reciting poems, so Gabriel taught him to (remember, the ayat in the Quran are poetic, rythmic, beautiful language which normal arabs/humans cannot produce), and so the story goes.....
This is one of the oldest and most popular debates, what Iqra means, was Muhammad illiterate, etc. I know a lot of people believe Muhammad was. I don't. Muhammad was a great man in society, even before he become a prophet, there is a reason he was called Al-Amin. Such a great man cannot be illiterate. We need to know the history, what happen then, connect the dots, then we can understand better. Like when I talk about zaman jahiliyyah, a lot of Muslims nowadays dont know what it really is, ironically being ignorant about it.
Damn, read more, people.. that's a long post I typed.. I should become a writer laugh.gif
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thanks for your reply.
about the video. im no his fan either. =D
eventho i feel uneasy with the dr zakir way, but i also feel what his did not wrong also. it just for me the situation like kinda of terburu-buru becoz of the language barrier. somehow when i saw another vid he do the same thing, i feel like he so greedy wan convert as many as he can. haha. and i think he mention about eating dolphin becoz japanese eat dolphin. better than pig i guess.

next, about the illiterate prophet. i also somehow think prophet not really illiterate. at the beginning, yes. but as he grow older for me it is imposibble he still do not know how to read and write a little or at least he should able to recognize letters or symbols. however at the same time, i dunno which to believe. but one thing i know, it does not matter. his teaching still good to follow.
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post Mar 11 2016, 02:42 PM

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ceramah hari ni tentang tipu. Tipu dalam berniaga dan tipu dalam kepimpinan.
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post Mar 14 2016, 01:10 PM

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interesting hmm.gif

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post Mar 14 2016, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(EarendurFefalas @ Mar 14 2016, 02:09 PM)
at opis, what the summary biggrin.gif
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mm.. tak berapa pandai nak summarize. tapi apa yang diberitahu, konsep tauhid telah lama wujud walaupun di berlainan benua. dan juga diberitahu peninggalan kesan kedatangan islam keseluruh benua. dia bagi contoh nama tempat yang wujud pada hari ini berasal dari bahasa arab.
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QUOTE(EarendurFefalas @ Mar 14 2016, 02:39 PM)
you mean got pendakwah datang literally on each country?
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Mm.. Can say like that. In the video also quote verses from quran said something like that.
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post Apr 13 2016, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(haziqk10 @ Apr 13 2016, 11:13 AM)
What about this?


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post Apr 13 2016, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(haziqk10 @ Apr 13 2016, 11:40 AM)
That is messed up. Stealing is still a stealing. Just because they have different opinion doesnt mean we can steal from them.

How do we even freaking know which one is Kafir Harbi and which one isnt? Does Bill Gates destroying Muslim economy?

This is what happened when we use religion in making logic of doing stuff.
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agree with u. but what is wrong with his answer in the video.? kalau dengar sekali lalu memang macam tak masuk akal jawapannya. tapi dia sebut jelas kafir harbi. yang buat salah faham dia jawab simple sangat.

if u dunno which one kafir harbi then dun steal. simple. one more thing, usïng pirate stuff is not relate to religion at all imo. so basicaĺly many muslim berdosa pakai pirate software.
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post Apr 13 2016, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(haziqk10 @ Apr 13 2016, 01:01 PM)
How about consider stealing anyone property is wrong regardless of their believes? Its wrong to steal from Muslim or non-Muslim.

Simple and make sense right? Dont need scholar to teach you that.
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bukan itu ke yang islam ajar? mencuri memang salah walau dari siapa pun. yang video tu pulak bagi pandangan boleh mencuri bagi kes kes tertentu saja.

stop looking for excuses bro, start looking for the truth. you just finding human error..

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post Jun 5 2018, 11:04 AM

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wanna ask. zakat fitrah can pay online kan? saw on tv zakat.com.my. so, can anyone from any state pay zakat to this zakat.com.my? tia
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