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post Sep 16 2016, 03:55 PM

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1. Bg pinjam duit RMx kt someone….tp org yg hutang tu byr blk RMx+y% = TAK
2. Jual brg (Rm x) dgn byrn bertangguh (36mths)….tp byrn mthly instead of x/36, jd (x+y%)/36 = TAK
3. Pinjam motor kwn…..kwn tu mintak nt time pulang blk minyak kasi full = RIBA
4. Beli seekor kambing, instead byr duit, janji nt next mth akn byr blk 2 ekor kambing = TAK
5. Wt system barter….tuka beras import 5kg ngan beras tempatan 7kg = TAK
6. Nk tuka duit ngan mak RM50 ke duit RM10 5 keping….tp ade 4 keping je, amik dulu yg ade tp ckp nt later la bg lg sekeping = RIBA
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post Sep 16 2016, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(seventwo @ Sep 16 2016, 08:21 PM)
Semua sedia maklum atas pemergian tokoh ulama kita Allahyarham TG Dato' Dr Haron Din. Moga kita dapat bersama-sama melakukan bacaan doa, tahlil serta solat sunat jenazah ghaib dan mendoakan semoga Allah SWT mencucuri rahmat-Nya dan mengampuni al-Marhum Tuan Guru serta menggolongkan beliau dari kalangan hamba-Nya yang soleh. InshaAllah. Amiinn.
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aku macam pernah dengar orang yang mati ketika usaha berubat consider syahid
tapi tak pulak jumpa hadis, ada sesiapa tahu? (or maybe huraian ulamak daripada hadis)
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post Sep 17 2016, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(efzet @ Sep 17 2016, 10:56 AM)
5. This is riba Fadl (lebihan). Beras adalah brg qiyas kpd ribawi item yg enam (qiyas pd gandum)….maka kena tuka sama quantity dan tukaran perlu berlaku on the spot
6. This is riba nasiah (tangguh). Duit jugak adalah brgan qiyas kpd ribawi item (qiyas pd emas)….maka sama jg kena tuka sama quantity dan tukaran mestilah on the spot
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no 5
so maksud nya semua beras adalah sama? thus barter tak sama quantity dikira riba?
so kalau barter hanphone kepada beras dikira ok?
walaupon beras wangi dan beras biasa dia tetap kira "semua beras adalah sama" ke?
mana hang baca/blaja semua detail ni eh? meh share link


QUOTE(mt24 @ Sep 17 2016, 11:05 AM)
Aku tengah tengok history channel ni.
Cam biasa series si Giorgio alien ni, tajuk In Search Of Alien.

Actually dalam Islam ada ke extra terrestrial ni? Atau ianya sebenarnya ialah jin dan syaiton?
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QUOTE(Zaryl @ Sep 17 2016, 01:55 PM)
if we borrow PTPTN rm20k, we should pay back RM20k.
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sebenarnya dalam islam memang boleh jual lagi mahal jika bayar secara ansuran
yang jadi masaalah bila ada tidak-ketentuan dalam jumlah yang perlu dibayar eg: interest rate itu boleh berubah2 <-- correct me wrong, ini yang aku dengar lah laugh.gif

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post Sep 18 2016, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(abu.shofwan @ Sep 18 2016, 07:28 PM)
I give you one of the solution (well, actually it's just temporary solution,  not permanent solution)
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Pinjam tak boleh interest

Tapi kalau beli boleh boleh jual ansuran dengan harga yang lebih mahal
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post Sep 18 2016, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(seiferalmercy @ Sep 18 2016, 07:36 PM)
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QUOTE(abu.shofwan @ Sep 18 2016, 08:30 PM)
(Trading is only like Riba) meaning, they are similar, so why did Allah allow this, but did not allow that, they asked in defiance of Allah's commandments.
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ok aku dah lama dilemma taknak pinjam bank sebab riba
dan bila teringat aku cuba cari jawapan lalu terjumpa/terbaca/ blog zaharuddin ayamcukur.jpg

conclusion dia, aku repeat sekali lagi
1. kalau pinjam takboleh riba
2. kalau bank tu beli dan jual balik dengan harga yang mahal sebab ansuran tak kira riba
- nampak macam pelik, rasa pon macam takde beza dengan riba, tapi itu lah beza dia, dari segi akad
sos dia dekat sini, video no 2 tak silap, tapi baik tengok semua: http://zaharuddin.blogspot.my/2011/01/perb...-back-door.html

3. bank islam memang belum 100% islamic, tapi inilah yang paling kau boleh dapat. unless kau betul2 tekad nak sewa or balik tanah pusaka/kampung

untuk efzet dia belajar "riba ONLY berlaku pd ribawi items"
untuk aku pulak terjumpa "tiada 2 harga pada 1 barang" link dibawah, yang sama dibagitahu oleh utz zaharuddin
http://direktori.ahlussunnahkendari.com/Fa...20HUKUMNYA.html

Al-Imam atTirmidzi rahimahullah menyatakan:
Sebagian Ulama menafsirkan, mereka berkata: dua harga dalam satu transaksi adalah: (seorang penjual) mengatakan: Saya jual baju ini kontan seharga 10 dan secara diangsur dengan harga 20. Tidaklah penjual dan pembeli berpisah dengan menetapkan salah satu transaksi. Jika mereka berpisah dengan kepastian (mana transaksi yang dipilih), maka yang demikian tidak mengapa. Jika akadnya pada salah satu dari kedua (pilihan) tersebut (Sunan atTirmidzi (5/7)).
- yang tak boleh bila pembeli setuju beli, tapi tak bagitahu secara kredit rm20 or cash rm10
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post Sep 19 2016, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(abu.shofwan @ Sep 18 2016, 11:39 PM)
Yeah
There are many faces of riba. I only know a few. Most recent one (that I got to know) was the 1. penalty applied on credit transaction.
I also find it difficult to escape riba, I guess everyone also suffer the same. Perhaps by 2. allowing developers to act as loaners, we can find one way to escape since the 3. transaction becomes buying from the source with deferred payment.
(on a side note: my family still live in a rented house)
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1. penalty for late payment? yes this cannot escape. but once i did see a credit-card with no late-pay-penalty

2. utz zaharuddin already give his opinion on this
http://zaharuddin.net/senarai-lengkap-arti...angan-saya.html

3. bank islamic now is already doing it, they buy it first as their own, then sell it to you. dont kena tipu with islamic name. most important had "-i" on it
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post Sep 19 2016, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(abu.shofwan @ Sep 19 2016, 11:09 AM)
Thanks. Point no. 2 a bit tldr (errr...  TLTR la). Will revisit later when got time.
But in any case, IMO, if indeed developers can sell on deferred payment scheme, there is a possibility of riba-less transaction (and I'm talking only based on my shallow knowledge). It's just another option than with islamic bank. I'm happy to get more options.
Btw, point no 3... Can share a bit what you mean by {"-i" on it}?? Do you mean named as "xxx islamic"?? (for this I fully agree with you, they are likely "-i" in name only. The best option to my knowledge is bank islam malaysia berhad??)
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macam title "dr" dan logo halal, this case nama pinjaman tu mesti ada -i untuk bagitau dia ada panel islamic external (if not mistaken). aku terbaca bende ni, bila cari sos dah hilang pulak

eg1: maybank home finance mudahrebah <-- dia boleh kata islamic, nama pon macam islamik, but since takde "-i" tiada orang pantau keislamikan dia, panel islamic dia sendiri lantik & sendiri mengaku islamic

eg2: maybank home loan haroom-i <-- ada panel islamic external, walaupon nama tak islamik langsung, maybe dia ada panel islamic sendiri maybe tidak, itu terpulang. (macam kilang kecik takde QA untuk halal tapi dah apply jakim dan dah approve, bila kilang besar boleh hire 1 orang internal QA tuk check halal)
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post Sep 22 2016, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(abu.shofwan @ Sep 22 2016, 02:44 PM)
thanks... but TLTR
can summarize ala /k or not?
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isu dulu, wahabi vs <tak ingat nama>
sorang tambah2 agama eg: molidul rasul
sorang lagi taknak tambah2 agama eg: molidul rasul adalah hareem

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post Sep 22 2016, 03:34 PM

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btw pa beza wahabi/salaf/sufi ? banyak betul
belum lagi bidaah/syiah/sunni...
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post Sep 23 2016, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(McF7y @ Sep 23 2016, 09:01 AM)
Assalamu 'alaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh everyone,

I've been following this thread fairly recently as I am somewhat new to the LYN forum.

Interesting to see some of the discussions going on; but I must admit that I have not gone too far back in terms of the pages - too long to read hehe.

Anyway I just wanted to greet all and make a brief introduction.

In sha Allah will gain some sound knowledge and also contribute.
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welcome biggrin.gif
p/s: none of us is ustaz. we just casually discuss and google for answer
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post Sep 23 2016, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(seiferalmercy @ Sep 23 2016, 12:07 PM)
hmm.gif unsure.gif
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if not mistaken reach 125 page ke 225page, then boleh bukak new tered
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post Oct 4 2016, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(AndreDudu @ Oct 4 2016, 07:33 PM)
phytoscience halal ke? bkn produk tapi MLM dia
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ada MLM tipu produk
ada MLM tipu marketing
so memang kena hati2
halal ke tak phytoscience ni aku tak tahu
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post Oct 10 2016, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(Protoculture @ Oct 10 2016, 05:18 PM)
MLM or any pyramidal schemes, is most often considered as "gharar", aka sumber meragukan.

If you have doubts, or what we called "was2", from syubhah it will become haram.
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gharar is sumber meragukan meh?
bukan gharar itu "tak tahu berapa kena bayar" ke?
in this case MLM both agent and customer bila beli already fix price
then BV-point calculation adalah commission bergantung pada sales perfomance
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post Oct 10 2016, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(Protoculture @ Oct 10 2016, 06:09 PM)
Gharar tu maksudnya sumber samar2, meragukan ....
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sumber apa yang samar2? hmm.gif
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post Oct 13 2016, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(FreakyFreak22 @ Oct 13 2016, 12:19 PM)
Not sure if asking at the right place, is there any masjid with locker around KL area?
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if not mistaken masjid UPM got, but now dunno still there or not / vandalized or etc
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post Oct 13 2016, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(AndreDudu @ Oct 13 2016, 04:03 PM)
Reason?
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mana boleh 100% spoonfeed bai, meh sini baca http://zaharuddin.net/pelaburan-&-perniaga...ex-trading.html
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post Oct 16 2016, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(Hoka Nobasho @ Oct 16 2016, 12:05 AM)
Hello. It's my first time here, and I would like to know if I have read the rules here correctly:
May I kindly ask if there are any additional rules that I should adhere to before I start asking any questions?
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are you going to questioning gods on us because your atheist? so you confirm the rule first b4 racing? the answer is we dont like being question and we really cannot prove god existence scientifically thus we only belief without proof aka faith some of us even just follow parent and you really had to deal with that like it or not

none of us is ustaz to answer/handle very deep or complicated topic

if you really want answer PM/tag someone to reply at your own thread
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post Oct 18 2016, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(notoriousfiq @ Oct 18 2016, 01:27 PM)
And what is wrong with being a liberal Muslim? Do you consider that as wrong? Sound so. I do know masjid keep implanting the image that liberals are bad people.

If it doesn't cross Quran/Sunnah, what is wrong with "too much logic"?
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liberal ni some time okay eg: perempuan boleh mengundi & pergi sekolah & berkerja, but sometime terlau open eg: LGBT
bila part ceramah ustaz pung pang liberal = lgbt = leberal is bad biggrin.gif
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post Nov 3 2016, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(Exeunt @ Nov 3 2016, 09:36 AM)
depends on people...

utk makanan, mmg org akan tgk for halal certification heck tapi still org islam pegi masuk chili's and TGI friday eventho demo xde sijil halal,

saja nak share exp, pernah stay UK for 2y la..cari makanan mmg susah, so aku tgk makanan vegetarian and avoid food yg E471

dari segi barang....barang apa yg kau maksudkan nak kene ade sijil halal??LEL
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eg: colgate ada sijil halal lel
(on the other story, dulu orang fitnah colgate haram ada dna babi etc, sebab tu dia apply jakim)


QUOTE(seventwo @ Nov 3 2016, 09:01 AM)
Apa yang korang faham tentang maksud Halal?
Is it only needed only for food? Macam mana pula dengan barang?
Do wo need to have "halal" certificate for that?
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barang juga boleh apply kalau kena fitnah
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post Nov 3 2016, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(seventwo @ Nov 3 2016, 10:30 AM)
Syukurrr.  Kalau tak gosok gigi guna ubat gigi cap babi lah kat sana. Hahaha. brows.gif
So how? You think those things need HALAL cert or not?
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they dont need, but they can still applied eg: kena fitnah like colgate

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