The same thing can be said to majority of Muslims. Have we read/listen to sources that are neutral and non bias? Or does "non bias" means whatever that sounds good to our ears?

Why should we be non-bias? So you want people to be non-bias, but it's okay for you to be bias? Is that fair to you? Is that adil?

If you just stay in your tempurung, with your familiar teachings with your same old interpretation of quran and hadith, and you never step back and listen to arguments and other sources, that means you are doing TAQLEED, bro. You are blindly following. You are not thinking. You are not truly believing. You don't rruly believe, means you actually don't have imaan. What you have is taqleed, not iman.

Not to mention pot calling kettle black, when you want others to read various sources, but you yourself refuse to do so.

Both muslims and non-muslims should be fair, and non-bias. Both should learn from both all sides of sources, not just the one that pleases them. What kind of "fair muslim" tells others to be non-bias, but he himself is bias af?

Taqleed is blindly following. Without questioning. Without thinking. Do you see that as nothing wrong? Would you consider that as truly believing?

Simply following blindly, taqlid, is not faith. A true faith, a true belief, is when you have consider that it's possible that your belief is wrong, you step back, you question your belief, you read other teachings, and as you study further, your stand on your belief (which ever it lands on) strengthen, then that's faith, that's iman. Blindly following is not faith. Especially when you only learn from one same source (i.e. the same old same old Malaysian ustaz teachings, for Malaysians) and never listen and consider other teachings inside and outside of the religion.

A lot of people cannot accept words from internet. They will ridicule information from internet.

We often hear, "setakat google baik tak payah".. or "apa sumber kau? wikipedia?" .. and the most common among laymen malays "kalau nak faham kena berguru, bukan baca sendiri kat internet".

That is why we see people in this thread who are unwilling to take some relevant conversations here seriously. Always belittling it, by saying "forumers are not capable", etc. There were even times when debates/discussion were suppressed by belittling them or posts being deleted.

It is both because they cannot argue back the idea that is different from theirs, and also because they were taught since young to only listen ustaz in masjid with janggut and serban, and dont question or argue the traditional teachings from masjids. Which basically is a teaching to close their minds.

No idea is above scrutiny.

If you don't like being questioned, then speak only for yourself. Every idea should be questioned, including Islam. If you are incapable of answering the question, then STFU, not cowardly saying "don't question us".

However, know that if you ask a run-of-the-mill or broken record question that has been talked about gazillion times, people may not answer, or get bored with it.

This post has been edited by notoriousfiq: Oct 18 2016, 09:19 AM

please elaborate..

And what is wrong with being a liberal Muslim? Do you consider that as wrong? Sound so. I do know masjid keep implanting the image that liberals are bad people.

If it doesn't cross Quran/Sunnah, what is wrong with "too much logic"?

If that is the case, then, not "sometimes" but "most of the times" liberal is okay.. Because we do agree on freedom on a lot of things to ourselves, human rights.
If someone is against LGBT, then be against LGBT, not liberals.

I know.. Ceramah keep saying liberal is bad, syiah is bad, itu ini bad, without intellectual reasons. That is why I see a lot of malays in facebook comment gila2 maki liberals, then when I ask them what is liberalism, they can't answer shit. Masjid need to stop teaching hate to us Muslims, and teach love and understanding instead.

If people have disagreements with orthodox teachings, and there are other interpretations that they deem more rational or acceptable, that is their choice. Just like the orthodox traditionalist muslims who have their own interpretation of the Quran or hadith. If one side can interpret the Quran, why can't the other? What makes one group holier than the other? None of us have prophets with us, so none of us can claim that only we are the absolute truth. As long as that opinion do not hurt other people (such as radical muslims interpretations), then we can discuss like an adult, intellectually.

And just because some opinions sounds so different from the teaching that we have inherited since nenek moyang, unquestioned, we shouldn't be silencing them with "jangan persoal", or simply brushing them as "sesat", or deleting people's comments.

If we believe our opinion is more plausible, and we can counter-argue, then counter-argue. Otherwise, leave it be, let other people deal with it.

Asking question will help us learn. Absolutely. Just like in any other subject. Just like in school. We ask question, we get answer, we are more educated. That is common sense.

Ya, he's gone ady. I welcome question, but I did some digging, and he seem like another anti-theist, and atheist evangelist/activist.. So I still want to hear his question, but I'll be wary of his questions (if he'll ever ask) in case its not sincere.

Ulama themselves have different opinions in many things. And Muhammad (saw) did not appoint successor(s) when he died. (Some say he appointed Ali, but that's another story). And no ulama have divine authority, like how pope is in Christianity. An ulama is a normal human like all of us. So when ulama give different opinions, and there is no pope in Islam, how do we make do of that?

To refer to someone knowledgeable in the subject is very good, to refer to scholars. But very important is, don't just refer to one scholar, refer to several, and those with differing answers. Weigh in the answers and pick the answer we deem most acceptable.

Allah give us brain to be used, not to be put aside and just taqleed to one teaching. Islam encourages us to THINK, to be intellectual, to be smart, not just listen.

Many muslims only regard naqli, and completely throw away aqli. With their "kau siapa nak lawan ulama". Or "don't interpret it by your own". When the fact is no one is "lawan ulama" nor "interpret by their own". Always so angry and emotional, and not really giving intellectual and constructive counter-arguments.

Agree 100%.

Many of us since young were taught to highly look up to ulama. Cannot question them, etc. Some has even idolise ulama, like Christians regard pope. That's why we see emotional, angry people when ulama is being questioned.

To listen to different teachings is very very important. And we need to be neutral, not bias, when listening to these teachings.

And people need to know, we don't "interpret Quran & hadith" by our own one self. A school of thought consist of many learned people. So the typical response of "bahasa arab pun tak tahu" is really irrelevant.