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post Jun 16 2015, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ Jun 16 2015, 03:03 PM)
err.....  what is wrong with ajak amoi along? ppl are not as sexual as you... ajak amoi means what to piap? dun be so shallow bero...
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Kata2 hikmah PVCpipe didalam postnya:

I want to excel in the Lang bcoz amoi bero... How to pickup amoi if kenot converse w them in good english(at least manglish)..

We know your fetish with amoi and that's fine but I suggest you rethink your intentions of your previous post here.


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post Jun 16 2015, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(Xnet @ Jun 16 2015, 03:25 PM)
Kata2 hikmah PVCpipe didalam postnya:

I want to excel in the Lang bcoz amoi bero... How to pickup amoi if kenot converse w them in good english(at least manglish)..

We know your fetish with amoi and that's fine but I suggest you rethink your intentions of your previous post here.
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doesnt means that im that sexual as you potrayed in prev post... yes im attracted to certain features in girl.... doesnt make me diff from anyone, which has their own criterias that make their suitor is more favourable than the rest... furthermore, knowing n learning frm diff race n culture is encouraged in islam..

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QUOTE(maraippo @ Jun 16 2015, 03:24 PM)
Brothers, want to ask opinions regarding this ayat. It is mention here in this translation that in solat, it is required to know what we are actually saying. But all these while, it seems like  the priority is more on verbal in arabic only. Not emphasize on the meaning of what we say in solat. For me, i think this is why the solat is nothing more than 'perbuatan' only for some. Not giving oneself fully when praying.

What do you guys think? is this what happens in non-arabic speaking country mostly?
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ayat tu membawa maksud mesti dlm keadaan waras dan boleh berfikir, not in drunken state

slowly go through the meanings of bacaan solat, insyaAllah u can get khusyuk dlm solat insyaAllah

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QUOTE(lene002 @ Jun 16 2015, 04:35 PM)
ayat tu membawa maksud mesti dlm keadaan waras dan boleh berfikir, not in drunken state

slowly go through the meanings of bacaan solat, insyaAllah u can get khusyuk dlm solat insyaAllah
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then again, kena dalam keadaan waras, for them to know the meanings. macam mana kalau dalam keadaan waras, tapi tak faham pun apa yang dibaca?

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QUOTE(maraippo @ Jun 16 2015, 03:24 PM)
Brothers, want to ask opinions regarding this ayat. It is mention here in this translation that in solat, it is required to know what we are actually saying. But all these while, it seems like  the priority is more on verbal in arabic only. Not emphasize on the meaning of what we say in solat. For me, i think this is why the solat is nothing more than 'perbuatan' only for some. Not giving oneself fully when praying.

What do you guys think? is this what happens in non-arabic speaking country mostly?
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The context of the verse is regarding the prohibition of intoxication. Arak was prohibited in stages (because it had been a rooted culture). First stage an ayat stated the evils of intoxicants, 2nd stage (the above ayat) about you cannot perform solat when in drunken state because you don't know what you're doing (and solat is wajib 5 times daily, it will be difficult for Muslims to find the time in between solat to drink liquor. At this stage most already abandon liquor). The next/last stage was the total ban on intoxicants. That's about the reason behind the above ayat.

About full understanding of what we perform in Solat, (I assume u mean for someone who is fully sober, not under influence of liquor or drugs, right?) the ayat is not relevant because it deals with different situation.

Regarding your question, there are three types of rukun solat, fi'li (the physical movement), qauli (the verbal), qalbi (i.e. niat and proper sequence of rukun). For verbal, there are only 5 things that are wajib in solat: takbir, reciting al-faatihah, reciting tahiyat akhir, salawat in tahiyat akhir and salam. Other than that are rukun fi'li and qalbi and you don't need to recite anything else to make the solat valid (all the bacaan during sujud and all are sunat, although it is very very recommended not to skip). So you see there is no requirement to understand the meaning of the Arabic words for the rukun qauli (which are really not many).

What I am trying to say is, it is not about priority of reciting in Arabic, it just the matter of fulfilling the rukun. Do all the rukun then the solat will be valid (it happen that all the qauli part is required in Arabic).

But, I understand and agree with your concern. By merely perform all the rukun, your solat is valid and you absolve yourself from the obligation to perform solat. That part is settled. But not understanding the meaning of what you're saying (or doing), your solat is less meaningful and solat will become nothing less than a habit. One way to attain khusyu' in solat is by understanding fully the meaning and reason of all the sayings and doings in solat. I'm sure when we (non Arab speakers) first learn to perform solat we all learn the translations as well but as we grew older, we take things for granted and solat becoming more mechanical.

In the end it is up to the individual, either to make the solat something meaningful (the opportunity to get up close with your Creator) or something that one want to get it done quickly with.

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QUOTE(PetomJL @ Jun 16 2015, 05:07 PM)
The context of the verse is regarding the prohibition of intoxication. Arak was prohibited in stages (because it had been a rooted culture). First stage an ayat stated the evils of intoxicants, 2nd stage (the above ayat) about you cannot perform solat when in drunken state because you don't know what you're doing (and solat is wajib 5 times daily, it will be difficult for Muslims to find the time in between solat to drink liquor. At this stage most already abandon liquor). The next/last stage was the total ban on intoxicants. That's about the reason behind the above ayat.

About full understanding of what we perform in Solat, (I assume u mean for someone who is fully sober, not under influence of liquor or drugs, right?) the ayat is not relevant because it deals with different situation.

Regarding your question, there are three types of rukun solat, fi'li (the physical movement), qauli (the verbal), qalbi (i.e. niat and proper sequence of rukun). For verbal, there are only 5 things that are wajib in solat: takbir, reciting al-faatihah, reciting tahiyat akhir, salawat in tahiyat akhir and salam. Other than that are rukun fi'li and qalbi and you don't need to recite anything else to make the solat valid (all the bacaan during sujud and all are sunat, although it is very very recommended not to skip). So you see there is no requirement to understand the meaning of the Arabic words for the rukun qauli (which are really not many).

What I am trying to say is, it is not about priority of reciting in Arabic, it just the matter of fulfilling the rukun. Do all the rukun then the solat will be valid (it happen that all the qauli part is required in Arabic).

But, I understand and agree with your concern. By merely perform all the rukun, your solat is valid and you absolve yourself from the obligation to perform solat. That part is settled. But not understanding the meaning of what you're saying (or doing), your solat is less meaningful and solat will become nothing less than a habit. One way to attain khusyu' in solat is by understanding fully the meaning and reason of all the sayings and doings in solat. I'm sure when we (non Arab speakers) first learn to perform solat we all learn the translations as well but as we grew older, we take things for granted and solat becoming more mechanical.

In the end it is up to the individual, either to make the solat something meaningful (the opportunity to get up close with your Creator) or something that one want to get it done quickly with.
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good answer. ayam satisfied with the response. thumbup.gif

actually for me, things go deeper than that. same things happen in reading the quran. where the practice of most muslims here is reciting Quran. not understanding what it is actually saying. but as you said, "In the end it is up to the individual, either to make the solat something meaningful (the opportunity to get up close with your Creator) or something that one want to get it done quickly with."
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QUOTE(maraippo @ Jun 16 2015, 03:24 PM)
Brothers, want to ask opinions regarding this ayat. It is mention here in this translation that in solat, it is required to know what we are actually saying. But all these while, it seems like  the priority is more on verbal in arabic only. Not emphasize on the meaning of what we say in solat. For me, i think this is why the solat is nothing more than 'perbuatan' only for some. Not giving oneself fully when praying.

What do you guys think? is this what happens in non-arabic speaking country mostly?
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Cuba tengok terjemahan yang lain pulak. Compare 4-5 terjemahan dalam English lepas tu yang dalam bahasa Melayu. Anyway, solat bukan satu yang cuma datang masa zaman Muhammad tapi dari zaman nabi nabi terdahulu termasuk Nabi Musa dan Isa dan even ada tertulis cara cara yang sama dalam Bible sama macam yang kita buat.
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jun 16 2015, 06:08 PM)
Cuba tengok terjemahan yang lain pulak. Compare 4-5 terjemahan dalam English lepas tu yang dalam bahasa Melayu. Anyway, solat bukan satu yang cuma datang masa zaman Muhammad tapi dari zaman nabi nabi terdahulu termasuk Nabi Musa dan Isa dan even ada tertulis cara cara yang sama dalam Bible sama macam yang kita buat.
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Just to share. If you still fast but still didn't pray and do good deeds, whats the point when Ramadhan is the month in which Allah's blessings is plentiful.



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What is your preparation this Ramadhan? For a full year since last Ramadhan previously, we may have neglected certain ibadahs to Allah. And yet Allah bestowed us with atleast enough worldly blessings throughout the year.


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Don't waste your Ramadhan, this is the holy month upon which we should strive to conduct our ibadah without any reasons to defer them at all.


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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jun 16 2015, 06:08 PM)
Cuba tengok terjemahan yang lain pulak. Compare 4-5 terjemahan dalam English lepas tu yang dalam bahasa Melayu. Anyway, solat bukan satu yang cuma datang masa zaman Muhammad tapi dari zaman nabi nabi terdahulu termasuk Nabi Musa dan Isa dan even ada tertulis cara cara yang sama dalam Bible sama macam yang kita buat.
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kau suruh ikut al-quran tapi kau suruh ikut kitab lain, yang terang-terang dalam al quran kata nasarani dan dah yahudi suka mengubah mengikut selere dia, mana satu yang kau nak pegang ni?

Perhatikan Firman Allah Ini.
Apakah kamu masih mengharapkan mereka (Bani Israel) akan percaya kepadamu, padahal segolongan dari mereka mendengar Firman Allah, lalu mereka mengubahnya setelah mereka memahaminya, sedang mereka mengetahui? (QS. 2:75)

Dan mereka (Bani Israel) tidak menghormati Allah dengan penghormatan yang semestinya di kala mereka berkata: "Allah tidak menurunkan sesuatupun kepada manusia". Katakanlah: "Siapakah yang menurunkan kitab (Taurat) yang dibawa oleh Musa sebagai cahaya dan petunjuk bagi manusia, kamu jadikan kitab itu lembaran-lembaran kertas
yang bercerai-berai, kamu perlihatkan (sebagiannya) dan kamu sembunyikan sebagian besarnya, padahal telah diajarkan kepadamu apa yang kamu dan bapak-bapak kamu tidak mengetahui (nya)?" Katakanlah: "Allahlah (yang menurunkannya)", kemudian (sesudah kamu menyampaikan Al-Quran kepada mereka), biarkanlah mereka bermain-main dalam kesesatannya. (QS. 6:91)

Yaitu orang-orang Yahudi, mereka mengubah kalimat (Allah) dari tempat- tempatnya. Mereka berkata : "Kami mendengar", tetapi kami tidak mau menurutinya. Dan (mereka mengatakan pula) : "Dengarlah" sedang kamu sebenarnya tidak mendengar apa-apa. Dan (mereka mengatakan) : "Raa'ina", dengan memutar-mutar lidahnya dan mencela agama. Sekiranya mereka mengatakan : "Kami mendengar dan menurut, dan dengarlah, dan perhatikanlah kami", tentulah itu lebih baik bagi mereka dan lebih tepat, akan tetapi Allah mengutuk mereka, karena kekafiran mereka. Mereka tidak beriman kecuali iman yang sangat tipis. (QS. 4:46)

(Tetapi) karena mereka (orang-orang Yahudi) melanggar janjinya, Kami kutuki mereka, dan Kami jadikan hati mereka keras membatu. Mereka suka merobah kalimat (Allah) dari tempat-tempatnya, dan mereka (sengaja) melupakan sebagian dari apa yang mereka telah diperingatkan dengannya, dan kamu (Muhammad) senantiasa akan melihat kekhianatan dari mereka kecuali sedikit diantara mereka (yang tidak berkhianat), maka maafkanlah mereka dan biarkan mereka, sesungguhnya Allah menyukai orang-orang yang berbuat baik. (QS. 5:13)

Maka kecelakaan yang besarlah bagi orang-orang yang menulis Al Kitab dengan tangan mereka sendiri, lalu dikatakannya; "Ini dari Allah", (dengan maksud) untuk memperoleh keuntungan yang sedikit dengan perbuatan itu. Maka kecelakaan yang besarlah bagi mereka, akibat apa yang ditulis oleh tangan mereka sendiri, dan kecelakaan yang besarlah bagi mereka, akibat apa yang mereka kerjakan. (QS. 2:79)

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QUOTE(kheru @ Jun 22 2015, 03:50 PM)
kau suruh ikut al-quran tapi kau suruh ikut kitab lain, yang terang-terang dalam al quran kata nasarani dan dah yahudi suka mengubah mengikut selere dia, mana satu yang kau nak pegang ni?

Perhatikan Firman Allah Ini.
Apakah kamu masih mengharapkan mereka (Bani Israel) akan percaya kepadamu, padahal segolongan dari mereka mendengar Firman Allah, lalu mereka mengubahnya setelah mereka memahaminya, sedang mereka mengetahui? (QS. 2:75)

Dan mereka (Bani Israel) tidak menghormati Allah dengan penghormatan yang semestinya di kala mereka berkata: "Allah tidak menurunkan sesuatupun kepada manusia". Katakanlah: "Siapakah yang menurunkan kitab (Taurat) yang dibawa oleh Musa sebagai cahaya dan petunjuk bagi manusia, kamu jadikan kitab itu lembaran-lembaran kertas
yang bercerai-berai, kamu perlihatkan (sebagiannya) dan kamu sembunyikan sebagian besarnya, padahal telah diajarkan kepadamu apa yang kamu dan bapak-bapak kamu tidak mengetahui (nya)?" Katakanlah: "Allahlah (yang menurunkannya)", kemudian (sesudah kamu menyampaikan Al-Quran kepada mereka), biarkanlah mereka bermain-main dalam kesesatannya. (QS. 6:91)

Yaitu orang-orang Yahudi, mereka mengubah kalimat (Allah) dari tempat- tempatnya. Mereka berkata : "Kami mendengar", tetapi kami tidak mau menurutinya. Dan (mereka mengatakan pula) : "Dengarlah" sedang kamu sebenarnya tidak mendengar apa-apa. Dan (mereka mengatakan) : "Raa'ina", dengan memutar-mutar lidahnya dan mencela agama. Sekiranya mereka mengatakan : "Kami mendengar dan menurut, dan dengarlah, dan perhatikanlah kami", tentulah itu lebih baik bagi mereka dan lebih tepat, akan tetapi Allah mengutuk mereka, karena kekafiran mereka. Mereka tidak beriman kecuali iman yang sangat tipis. (QS. 4:46)

(Tetapi) karena mereka (orang-orang Yahudi) melanggar janjinya, Kami kutuki mereka, dan Kami jadikan hati mereka keras membatu. Mereka suka merobah kalimat (Allah) dari tempat-tempatnya, dan mereka (sengaja) melupakan sebagian dari apa yang mereka telah diperingatkan dengannya, dan kamu (Muhammad) senantiasa akan melihat kekhianatan dari mereka kecuali sedikit diantara mereka (yang tidak berkhianat), maka maafkanlah mereka dan biarkan mereka, sesungguhnya Allah menyukai orang-orang yang berbuat baik. (QS. 5:13)

Maka kecelakaan yang besarlah bagi orang-orang yang menulis Al Kitab dengan tangan mereka sendiri, lalu dikatakannya; "Ini dari Allah", (dengan maksud) untuk memperoleh keuntungan yang sedikit dengan perbuatan itu. Maka kecelakaan yang besarlah bagi mereka, akibat apa yang ditulis oleh tangan mereka sendiri, dan kecelakaan yang besarlah bagi mereka, akibat apa yang mereka kerjakan. (QS. 2:79)
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QUOTE(maraippo @ Jun 16 2015, 05:29 PM)

actually for me, things go deeper than that. same things happen in reading the quran. where the practice of most muslims here is reciting Quran. not understanding what it is actually saying. but as you said, "In the end it is up to the individual, either to make the solat something meaningful (the opportunity to get up close with your Creator) or something that one want to get it done quickly with."
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You're spot on bro, the book is the source of guidance (2:2) for the believers. How are you to receive the guidance when you don't understand a single word IT says.
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