You have said well my friend, and I tend to agree with you…however not all that you have said is correct.

Im not so sure of your intention however whether intentionally or not you have injected new words into the ayat thus deviating from its true meaning;

Now let us look at the Arabic and its word for word translation:-

وَعَدَ اللّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ وَعَمِلُواْ الصَّالِحَاتِ لَهُم مَّغْفِرَةٌ وَأَجْرٌ عَظِيمٌ (5:9

WaAAada Allahu (Allah has promised) allatheena amanoo (those who believe) waAAamiloo alssalihati (and do the righteous deeds) lahum (for them) maghfiratun (forgiveness) waajrun AAatheemun (and a great reward).

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Q5:9 (Y. Ali) To those who believe and do deeds of righteousness hath Allah promised forgiveness and a great reward.

The ayat is just merely asking the believer to do good deeds. cause doing good deeds will be rewarded.
Theres no such thing as "IN THE ONENESS OF ALLAH" in the ayat.

For your info, there are many ayats in the Quran that addresses to the believers however NON were addressed to the “believer in oneness of Allah/God”. This is because to be a believer you must first, believe in ONE God.

Next come the question; what actually a person need to believes in order to be called a believer?

Q4:136 (Y. Ali) O ye who believe! BELIEVE in Allah and His Messenger, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Messenger and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth Allah, His angels, His Books, His Messenger., and the Day of Judgment, hath gone far, far astray.

Therefore to be a “Believer” you must believe in all the above and NOT ONLY in the oneness of Allah/God.



Muslims DO NOT PRAY TO the creation (Buddha, Moses, Jesus or Muhammad) but to the CREATOR (Allah).

Hope the above expend your understanding of Islam.

Ypu probably should reread Surah Al-Ikhlas. If there is one very thing that a muslim can't compromise it's the oneness of God. There is no god but God. You are indeed correct there's only one God.

I can follow the teachings of Buddha (whichever applicable) and I am via the teachings of Muhammad is also following the teachings of Moses and Jesus (just Jesus, not Paul ). But I do not pray to them. I do pray for them (parts of doa, just tirual stuff) but I only pray to God, and God alone.

Well this is the teaching of tawhid and monotheism of islam and quran.

Allah, the One true God, occupies a pivotal place in a muslim's life from the cradle to the grave.

- Islam is summed up in the Shahadah.
- Shahadah: laa ilaaha ilallah, there is no god but Allah, affirming Allah to be the One, the Absolute Creator, the Lord and Master of all.
- The most prominent manifestations of Tawhid are:
a. Sovereigenty belongs only to Allah (2: 107; 25:2; 18: 26; 57:5; 59:23; 3:26; 7: 128)
b. unity of Divin law
c. Unity of mankind.

U cant say like this is my god (A***h) and this is non muslims god and etc. This is creating a equal partner with god.

The opposite of tawhid is known as shirk, or associating partners with Allah. This is often translated as polytheism.

Shirk is the one unforgivable sin in Islam, if one dies in this state. Associating a partner or others with Allah is a rejection of Islam and takes one outside the faith. The Quran says:

"Verily, Allah forgives not the sin of setting up partners in worship with Him, but He forgives whom He wills sins other than that. And whoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, has indeed strayed far from the path." (4:116)

Even if people try their best to live a virtuous and generous life, their efforts will count for nothing if they are not built on a foundation of faith:

"If you join others in worship with Allah, then surely all your deeds will be in vain, and you will certainly be among the losers." (39:65)

So, If muslims who prevents the non muslims from trying to use the word A***h / god , they are creating associating partners with god, thereby practicing polytheism which defy the most important teaching of islam.

Another issue is you cannot blame a person who left from islam as murtad as it means disbeliever of god. God loves everyone who believes in him regardless of any religion or without religion.

I have heard that in Islam God prefers Muslims over everyone else and also that God does not love non-Muslims. This is assigning different gods to non muslims. This goes against the teaching of shirk which is competing and trying to find an equivalent partner with a***h / god.

So dont be easily tempted by the devil to think A***h is for the muslims only as there is hidden agenda nowadays to influence the weak from the true teaching of god. These evil people are hiding under the veil among the innocent to derail them to the path of no return.

This post has been edited by tankerbell12345: Apr 10 2015, 12:21 PM

Yes not many people understand the holy teaching of quran like you do.

I can be learning the true and correct teaching of christianity , buddhism and judaism and still ultimately still be consistent with the teaching of god in quran. God doesnt discriminate people of different faith, races and places. God loves everyone except for disbeliever of god. (not disbeliever of a religion as many misunderstood eg. if u leave islam , u are murtad. Hell is place for you. Wrong !)

There are many right paths to understand god' teaching , just like there are many route to the peak of the mountain. Each path is unique and gives equal ability to realise our objective.

There are many paths but only one objective of belief and faith of god.

Yet many dont understand and think that there is only one paths that is islam and the rest is the path of the dark side that bring us far from god. This is very wrong perception.

This post has been edited by tankerbell12345: Apr 10 2015, 12:28 PM

In Islam however there is only one teaching of Islam, whether via Abraham, via Moses or Jesus. I wouldn't even be surprised if Siddiharta was indeed a prophet sent by God since there are messengers sent to all the people throughout time though only specifically mention by name in the Qur'an were the jewish prophets.

And, indeed We have sent Messengers before you (O Muhammad(P)); of some of them We have related to you their story and of some We have not related to you their story, and it was not given to any Messenger that he should bring a sign except by the Leave of God. So, when comes the Commandment of God, the matter will be decided with truth, and the followers of falsehood will then be lost. (Qur'ân 40:78)

The difference is that every other messengers before Muhammad were sent to their specific people/tribe. This may look a bit bias on first look since why did all other prophets were only sent to their specific tribe/nation but Muhammad to all mankind. However we can take a look back throughout history and compare the period when these prophets came from. The time Muhmamad came is the time where there was actually time where the whole world is truly connected. There's even descriptions that the Vikings have reached the Americas by the 7th and 8th century while none before that. East and west travel was more common from the shores of Spain up the the very end of China.

Compared that just to the turn of the millenium, Hell, even many non Christian europeans themseleves don't even believe that Jesus actually exist.

kalau ikut pendapat akulah kan, kite amik posisi yg paling dekat dgn imam. maksudnya kalau saf depan kosong masuklah saf depan. kalau nk memenuhkan saf kiri atau pn kanan pilihlah side yg paling dekat dgn imam dengan niat agar kite lebih dekat dgn Allah. kalau kiri dan kanan balance utamakanlah utk memenuhkan yg kanan dulu.. lagi dekat kite dgn imam lagi banyaklah ganjaran pahala insya Allah.. Allahualam

This post has been edited by tankerbell12345: Apr 10 2015, 02:07 PM

@tankerbell12345: you are not a muslim are you?

His teachings are good, true and in fact we can find a lot of similarities with Islam especially the fardu ain part (how one should conduct oneself). It's just that praying to him (Buddha) is wrong instead of following his teachings.

We are basing our arguments base too much on English translations which religion is mean as some sort of rituals on the spiritual side when in Islam (yeah, this is an Islam thread so Islamic concept takes precedence ) the ad-din (or religion) means the way of life. Way of life in the physical world which directly related to the spiritual side. Yes as the nature of the world itself is about order, it is then up to use to decide in which order that we follow.

We can't say we are Malaysian for example without acknowledging and to the best of our ability follow the Malaysian constitution and law. Likewise, we can't say that we believe in God without acknowledging and to the best of our ability to follow God's command. There is no other 'religion' besides Islam that to have a direct source from God (which is Qur'an). Even Christians acknowledge that the Bible are work of men, albeit 'inspired' by God.

This somehow reminds me about the 'question' posed that Jesus is either what the Christian believe him to be or the greatest hoax of mankind.

Those people simply forgot and probably refuse to accept that he can both be neither a hoax nor a god.

Actually I would prefer to use Allah if speaking in Arabic or Malay and use God if using English. Much simpler. This probably comes because of the Allah in the bible issue. My stance is simple. Allah is not a Malay word and Arabic word so obviously it's not exclusive to the Malay/muslim only. Yes the word Allah exist in Arabic bible.

However, I still have not read or hear any satisfying answer why that has got to do with using the word in the bible here especially Tuhan is already a word for God in Malay and Malay has been using the word Tuhan and only until the coming of Islam then Malays started using the word Allah. This got nothing to do with acknowledging whether there exists other tuhans or gods but simply to differentiate between the old hindu beliefs (of the Malaysa that time) and the new beliefs base on Islam.

In any case, Christianity does not come here via Arab merchants but first by Portugese conquitadors and later by Dutch and English. Certainly none of them are using the Arabic version of the bible and most probably were not coptics or any eastern rites but rather catholic, protestant and other western version of Christianity.

Simply said, Islam is about balance. Balance towards one own duty, balance towards one duty to the family, to the community and allt hese combined reflects our duty to God.

Reading is good. I like reading.

[Q109:1-6] Say: "O disbelievers! I do not worship those whom you worship. Nor are you worshipers of Him Whom I worship. Nor am I a worshiper of those whom you have worshiped. Nor are you worshipers of Him Whom I worship.
For you is your religion and for me is mine."

Shrik does not only mean associating partners with God, giving and sharing God’s attributes to others are also shrik.

'Allah' is only an Arabic name for God. It is the name that the Pagan Arabs were familiar with during the time of revelation to refer to their Supreme authority. It was the name of God that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was familiar with. Allah has been known by different names to great Prophets of the past in the languages of their own people. All beautiful names belong to God.

Q17:110 (Y. Ali) Say: "Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman: by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well): for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names.......

Q7:180 (Y. Ali) The most beautiful names belong to Allah. so call on him by them;…….

Whether we call Him Rab, Lord, God, Almighty, Yahweh, Elohim, El, Eli, Eloi, Jehovah, or whichever beautiful name we call Him, it is with respect, humility and grace that we take His name with the sole intention that He is One and Only One that we serve. That He is alone in His majesty, that He created the Heavens and the Earth and everything in it and to Him is our final return. He cannot be represented by an idol or a statue and is the only One truly worthy of worship.



The word “murtad” means “revert” or “to go back to an earlier state or condition”.
[Q3:19] Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam (submission to His Will);........



Hearsay is no replacement for truth. I suggest you read the Quran.

Alhamdulillah dah 52 pages

satu hari kena buat gathering nih, solat jemaah, dengar tazkirah pastu makan2

“Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in God has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And God hears and knows all things.” (Quran 2:256)

Plese read this statement very carefully. God/ A***h says whoever rejects false worship and believes in god (regardless of any religion, races and etc. ) is a god believer. God is knowing and hearing.

It didnt come from my mouth but the words of god in quran.

Everyone can have their freedom and own version of religion but god is only one.

If you are saying that A***h is for muslims only, then u must have assigned other gods for people of other faith. That means u are practicing shirk.

Remember christianity, judaism and islam used to be one. please get the fundamental of islam right.

Shirk doesnt explain whether god can be shared or not.

However tawhid explains this part with clarity.

tawhid, also spelled Tauhid, Arabic Tawḥīd, (“making one,” “asserting oneness”), in Islām, the oneness of God, in the sense that he is one and there is no god but he, as stated in the shahādah (“witness”) formula: “There is no god but God and Muḥammad is His prophet.” Tawhid further refers to the nature of that God—that he is a unity, not composed, not made up of parts, but simple and uncompounded.



This post has been edited by tankerbell12345: Apr 10 2015, 11:14 PM

Q3:19 (Y. Ali) The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will):…….

Q3:85 (Y. Ali) If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah)., never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).

Q3:102 (Y. Ali) O ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should be feared, and die not except in a state of submission (Islam).

Q2:133 (Picktall) Or were ye present when death came to Jacob, when he said unto his sons: What will ye worship after me? They said: We shall worship thy God, the God of thy fathers, Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac, One God, and unto Him we have submitted (in Islam).

Q3:52 (Y. Ali) When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah." Said the disciples: "We are Allah's helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are submitters (Muslims).

With this understanding in mind, and how Submission (Islam) to God alone has been the only message God delivered through all His messengers, we can conclude that Islam is indeed the only religion that has been delivered, authorized, and approved by Allah.

if u have realized there is contradictory views between the two verse, then we should go back to the most important belief of god / a***h that is God is one.

"A***h" is the same word used by Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs in their Bible, centuries before Islam came.

if you are trying to separate people of god believer into many religion(jewish god, christian god), it is promoting polytheism or assigning many partners to A***h/ god.

Shirk is the gravest transgression and sin that a human being can commit. ‘’Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills.” [An-Nisa 4:48].

This post has been edited by tankerbell12345: Apr 11 2015, 01:30 AM

This messenger assumed that before allah , the religion is islam (u know its not true if the verse is translated literally). To him, Islam is something like a general teaching which encompass everyone who is believer of god such jews , christian and etc.

He didnt forsee that the teaching of god branched out into many sect and religion today.

That is why he says that those who derails from islam (teaching of universal god according to him) has lost connection with god spiritually. It is true that a disbeliever of god is punished to fire of hell.


however, the verse doesnt literally mean the religion of islam today which is different from judaism and christianity albeit still share similarity. What he means is teaching of universal god which encompasses every religion of god.


So the verse is not limited to islam of today only.

This post has been edited by tankerbell12345: Apr 11 2015, 01:47 AM

Bro, I commended you for your interest and knowledge about Islam but I have to admit that there's a lot of learning you need to do.

Q3:19 (Y. Ali) The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will):…….

Verse 3:19 Is the word of God and not that of the messenger. In the Quran if God wants Muhammad to speak, the beginning of the verse would begin with "Qul" which mean "Say".

Therefore in 3:19 it is God that says, "The religion before HIM is Islam (submission)".


Islam (in Arabic) or the religion of submission (to the One and only God) has been around since the day of Abraham.
He is the father of monotheist belief. And the Quran confirmed this;

Q2:131 When his Sustainer said to him, "Surrender thyself unto Me!"(Arabic: aslim) - he (Abraham) answered, "I have surrendered myself (Arabic: aslamtu) unto the Sustainer of all the worlds."

Even Muhammad was asked to follow the religion of Abraham.
Q6:161 Say, "Indeed, my Lord has guided me to a straight path - a true religion - the way of Abraham, inclining toward truth. And he was not among those who associated others with Allah."


Anyway I will not be answering you any more (if your question is around the same issue) cause I find it no more productive.

rgds/-

Hi tankerbell, what you did here is good and i respect that. Even in Quran Allah said soo many times "Q2:44: afala ta’qilun" (will you not use your intellect?) and seeking for the higher power being is a nature of man. However sorry to say I cannot discussed into detail with regard to the verses of Quran as i might misinterpret it to you and it is not of my specialty. however i can give you my perception on fundamental of religion.

Seeking for the higher power being is a fitrah (nature) of man as we would like to thank our Creator for all His blessing that he give to us. true right? Most of us believe that one day we are going to be judge by our Creator for all the actions that we did. Therefore as human being (including muslim) we must exert our very best to find a correct path toward our Creator. Logically, there will be people in this world that already found path that lead to the Creator. Whether there are many paths or only one path one do not know. Ideally as a human being (including muslim) we must find this path. And most of us believe to find this path is through religion. However i also believe there is someone in this world that find this path and did not want to follow it due to their ego, greed and etc. and they might also convince other to join them astray (this is true right? i give u example robbing is wrong but there are people still doing it and convince others to join).

As muslim we also believe that one day we will be judge in front of our Creator and justified to Him for all the actions that we did. Truthfully, muslim did not have the power to judge who is going to hell and who will not, it is only by Allah in the day of judgement. When Allah says "certain" people who is going to hell for whatever reasons it act as a warning for a muslim and not the power to judge. Even the Prophet of Islam (peace be upon him) never judge people because the power to judge is only by the Creator Himself.

If you ask me (through all my current effort of thinking and learning), Islam is the only path that can leads me to my Creator. Eventhough as a muslim i question islam many times (in term of verses of Quran, prayer, the messenger, attribute of Allah) because deep down i know one day i am going to stand in front my Creator and justify to Him why i choose this religion. and for me to make sure that this path is correct. As a muslim i cannot judge you whether u are going to heaven or hell, that is by Creator Himself and you have to justify your believe to Him yourself.

When you said there are many paths that lead to Creator, i have to disagree because i believe there are paths corrupted by man ego and greed based on my current knowledge and through my understanding as a muslim that Islam is the only correct path. However i cannot say you are wrong and going to hell and that im islam and im going to heaven. it is not me to judge but by the Creator. However when i give this answer to you, it will be the answer that i will give to my Creator while hoping it a correct answer. Tankerbell i believe this is not a correct way to ask such critical question. we should meet up and discussed it together to make sure that our answers are justified to our Creator and we can go to heaven together. That is my only wish, finding a correct path to justify it to my Creator. I cannot give you the justification of my answer here because im afraid you'll misinterpret it.

Im hoping that you'll find your own answer to justify it to the Creator as i already found mine (im a muslim not because of my parents religion but im a muslim because i choose to be and for me to be answerable to the Creator). My advice to you in finding the answer is read the Quran sincerely wishing that you'll find the answer. You can PM or arrange meeting with me at any time for help or anything regarding finding the correct path. Just remember one day, the Creator might asked "Q2:44: afala ta’qilun" (will you not use your intellect?).

This post has been edited by StArk: Apr 11 2015, 05:01 PM

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