Comparing us with Bayern? Lol

Yes, and that's partly because of Luis Suarez, it's doesn't take an IQ index of 2500 to figure this out. Need to stop flogging the dead horse here mate. Still new and young does not mean he gets to stay on, or otherwise we would have consider Roy Keane to be in the hot seat. Sorry, being in Liverpool is that demanding and fthe support you get is as good as your results on the pitch. We are not in Swansea.

BR has been given all the CHANCE, MONEY, TIME and SUPPORT he needs from FSG and fans, it's time to deliver or we will get someone who will.

Our aim is not lofty. Nevermind the duds, we just want to qualify for CL football the very least this season. That's where Liverpool belongs. That's where all great clubs belong.

This post has been edited by carloz28: Oct 25 2014, 01:04 AM

It is unfair to compare the Liverpool under Benitez and the Liverpool under BR. Rafa had to scrap the bottom of the barrel to get his transfer funds back then. Even then, Rafa still has a better record than BR in his first 2 years at Liverpool. Transforming Carra and Hyypia, signed Luis Garcia, Alonso, Crouch, Agger, Reina, Sissoko in the process. Not forgetting he was also partly responsible for convincing Gerrard not to move to Chelsea back then. Also the creme de la creme, the 2005 champions league.

Sorry, I can't help it but to interject when everytime someone labels Xavi as a success. Deep inside, I have this moral obligation and duty to counter this argument.

Lets put things into perspective, Xavi is brought into Liverpool to run the business like real Xavi did in Barcelona. (Hence the nick) But he's not. And he's just being used sporadically last season with mixed results. He is the type of player you sub into the game, when you are leading 1 or 2 goals up with 20-30 minutes left to play and all the legs grow weary and tired. That's when you bring the best out of him, coz he holds possession and slow the pace down.

A 15mil player signed to dictate the midfield but being used as a squad player?

Well, that's a flop to me.

This post has been edited by carloz28: Oct 25 2014, 01:23 AM

Comparing BR with Rafa is like comparing a mackerel tabby cat with a Siberian White Tiger.

So is the old gaffer coming back to Anfield if BR succumbs?

It is debatable whether Rodgers is good enough but I know I wouldn't want Rafa back here. He had ONE good season when there was way less competition in the league. A great cup game manager at best. He is now struggling at Napoli in a less competitive league despite being one of the biggest spenders there since he was appointed.

I'm sure fans of most clubs would love to have Klopp but he too is struggling big time at Dortmund. Let's not be so quick to judge BR as this is his first rough patch as our manager. He deserves our support at least until end of this season.

sorry i didnt know you didnt like it, i was thinking while i was at it why not put more points in it

i never expected Liverpool would win CL again after long years but they did, 2nd time finals..failed but im proud. Have some faith

i've said you need a bigger squad, you cant have only 11 best players to play all competition. Allen was ok, no where near as a FLOP. But never explain to me why is he a flop?

This post has been edited by kevafk: Oct 25 2014, 02:43 AM

You mean partly also because of Sturridge, Coutinho, Hendo, Sterling, BR's brilliant tactic (HEHE) etc right? right? we playing with 11 players arent we. Didnt FSG said they carefully hired a younger, desire, willing manager to manage struggled LFC? Why not put a slight trust in him?

This post has been edited by kevafk: Oct 25 2014, 02:23 AM

Then who do you suggest playing that role? a good 20-30mins sub if he helps i dont see a problem for a 15mil price tag player. I dare you to play 11 players only throughout the season + all competition. No way, Mourinho already said himself we are too thin and were lucky not to play other competition. If we ever want to play all competition you need a bigger squad, where you see Chelsea have 20-30mil players sitting on bench. Make sense?

A flop is a complete failure, Allen no where near a complete failure.

This post has been edited by kevafk: Oct 25 2014, 02:44 AM

I think you didnt get my point, i was comparing flops just because ppl already calling some of the current player a flop. I didnt blame Rafa, Woy, Houllier, Evans, Kenny signed some bad ones. I mean players come and go, you dont play well or not suitable or f**ing SUCKED then get out. We move on, we have couple of the recent "flops" already out of the club no?

Its unfair to compare Rafa 5 years LFC career to 2 1/2 years LFC career, its only fair if you compare apple to apple yes?

I was never against signing marquee players if we found one oh happy times, but if you look at our last season's squad.. it is too thin.

If you say every single person sitting on bench are flops/useless, then you have zero football knowledge. No offence i say "IF"

Ok now you need to find a suitable person to ready on the bench, low wage, decent player, willing and dont complain. Lets say you manage to keep Suarez and sign 2 Marquee with all the money you have, what if they got injured? again risking the team may be too thin to play all competition.

Ok these 2 AMAZINGLY tough marquee (WOO WOO) player never get injured but you need to bench one of them. You could only hope they wont get unhappy, sulking, or giving bad habit being subbed (like kicking water bottles etc )

and of coz this is all just i assumed.

This post has been edited by kevafk: Oct 25 2014, 02:49 AM

Nope. I'm saying it's unfair because Rafa had no access to the amount of money and resources BR has.

speaking hypothetically

Few things to consider.

Gerrard influence

FSG owners

well gerrard may not be at liverpool for another 2-3 years,

The biggest anti Rafa now will be FSG. I know americans (probably american corporate culture), as much as they (FSG) know what the Cowboys did to liverpool, they will feel Rafa instigated (complain about the owners & eventually owners relationship got so bad with the Kopites)

That won't be tolerated under FSG


So can we move on. As much as some of hope may hope, I'm a realist. There will be no 2nd coming of rafa even if should Rodgers is no longer as manager. Which I don't see it happening even if we should miss top four. (touch wood)

This post has been edited by koolspyda: Oct 25 2014, 08:44 AM

Please, Rodgers needs to win at least a silverware, be it a Mickey Mouse cup or Asia Trophy Cup, let alone European Cup to be mentioned in the same breath as Rafa Benitez. What's the point of looking at Napoli?, if he's doing so well at Napoli, you will start pointing his bad patches in Inter, then Tenerife and etc etc , you are basically nitpicking his bad patches in every other clubs so that you can justify your point? So is Klopp. At least Klopp brought his team to CL final before with limited resources. And what has BR done prior to this road bump? Help Swansea gained promotion? (Even this point is debatable as some Swansea fans believe he is reaping the hard work of Paolo Sousa and Martinez, and he bailed before things can get worse, but I'm not gonna touch on that) Lets just keep the conversation within Liverpool boundaries.

He got this one shot of glory to pip Rafa Benitez in the history book standings as the first manager to win the EPL for Liverpool, but he blew it. Until he actually ACHIEVES something in Liverpool, Rodgers will always be a pale shadow of Rafa Benitez.

This post has been edited by carloz28: Oct 25 2014, 10:11 AM

You made in interesting point that probably Rodgers may not know how to use creative players (Nuri sarin during his stint here)

But a couple of forumers might point, hey well he manage suarez. (Sort off )

A great deal may be made of breandan rodgers but I know he is to stay at least another 2 seasons (with results/league standings that may no appease many)

His position is unlike dalglish (even when dalglish manage to get us one throphy). Kennys tenure got cut short because of the combination on how he is seen to handle evra/suarez fiasco)

This post has been edited by koolspyda: Oct 25 2014, 09:05 AM

also chelsea, borini and sturridge were from his time in the blue half

Well, for me hes definitely a flop, like said earlier, he used how many season to actually become decently or like how you said, ok, thats a flop for me.

Btw, of course I have faith in Liverpool, but not so much in BR after the 100million transfer and after so many matches, only performance vs Spurs is promising. But I am not into the idea of replacing a manager in the middle of the season, replace or not, lets just wait until the season end.
In short, I support, love and have faith in Liverpool, not BR, not the owner, nor the player. So if replacing manager will help the situation, so be it, if Arabian oil co. wanted to buy Liverpool, so be it, the same to the player.

what channel tonight?

I said Rodgers is struggling how to play his creative midfielders....not players.

Just to set the record straight, managing Suarez and coaching Suarez are two different issues here. I'm not sure if he's really the dude who convinced Suarez to stay or it's just FSG's reluctance to sell him to rival clubs, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he was able to keep him for another season and "managed" the whole saga well.

On the coaching part, as I mentioned before I don't believe BR deserves the accolade for nurturing him into the beast he is known today. Suarez was already beasting with Ajax and Uruguay before we brought in him. All these goal stats before and after BR took over, they are just basically numbers churned out to make BR look like he is doing a good job in mentoring Suarez. He may score less goals during Kenny's era, but you may want to check how many woodwork hits or shots on goals he had in that season. You will see where I'm coming from.

Kenny's era was cut short not because of the Suarez/Evra saga..but more due the Brit brigade he splashed out but yield little returns on the pitch. He was doing so well when he took over (with the continental team he inherited from Rafa, and not Woy pls ) but half a season later, he switched directions and decided to go Brit. And that was his Waterloo. Like I said, the safety of the manager's position is only as good as the results on the pitch.

Last but least, BR will still get my vote if he manages to get Liverpool in the CL end of the season, and nothing more than that. I'm a realist, and I wont need to wait for 5 years to make my assessment on a coach performance. 3 years seems like a reasonable number for me.

This post has been edited by carloz28: Oct 25 2014, 10:50 AM