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joshng
post May 22 2015, 08:17 PM

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Hi, i am a newbie to this forum. I plan to start investing in stocks and would like to know if anyone can recommend a good online course for investing in stocks for beginners?

Has anyone heard of bursamethod? http://bursamethod.com/?awt_l=fACQxU&awt_m=3gYuzopdfGscPfC

It sounds good. But i cant find any testimonial about the course outside its own website. Has anyone else have other recommendations on how to start?
joshng
post May 29 2015, 07:07 AM

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Hi, i have a question. Hope some of you can help me.

When I see a statement e.g. Maybank (fundamental: 1.5; valuation: 1.45), what does that mean? Tried reading fundamental and valuation up but it doesn't make sense to me. Anyone can provide a simple explanation? Should the fundamental value be higher than the valuation value or the other way round?

Many thanks..
joshng
post Jun 1 2015, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(Dreamer09 @ May 30 2015, 05:33 PM)
Hi there,

I suppose you got the sample above from The Edge website/newspaper at http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/AA/dashbo...5&exchange=KLSE. Basically fundamental and valuation are both different things.

In the case of fundamental analysis, it analyses the company’s financial statements (eg: Income Statement, Balance Sheet & Cash Flow Statement).

If you click on the website above and click “Edit” for Fundamental, you can see the weightage for each ratio like ROE (%), Net Interest Margin (%), Overhead Cost Ratio (%), Total Capital Ratio (%) and Gross Impaired Loans Ratio (%)”  to gauge the fundamental strength of the company. Of course, each company/sector has their different of analyzing. For instance, if you search for Tenaga, you will see “ROE, Net Margin”, Current Ratio (x), Cash Ratio (x), Gearing (%), Interest Cover (x)”.

On the other hand, Valuation takes into account of the share price of the company. Generally, it will tell you whether the company is a good buy based on current trading price. Take The Edge’s example again and you click Edit for Valuation, it shows “Price-Earnings Growth (x), Price-Earnings/ROE (x), Price/Net Asset Value (x) and Dividend Yield(x)”. All the valuations takes into account of the share price. Even a company which has a fantastic set of financial statement, the current share price might have already reflected the value of the company. Hence, the potential upside might be limited if one were to buy into the aforementioned company's shares.

Take an example of Company A and Company B which operates in the same sector. Assume both company’s fundamentals are intact (strong financial statement, healthy balance sheet and cash flows) whereby both is made RM10.0 mln per annum with share issued of 200.0 mln shares. Company A is trading at RM1.00 whereas Company B is trading at RM0.50.
Based company A’s P/E valuation, its current P/E is at 20.0x
Price/Earnings Per share = RM1.00/5 x 100
                                            =20.0x

Based company B’s P/E valuation, its current P/E is at 10.0x
Price/Earnings Per share = RM0.50/5 x 100
                                            =10.0x

In the above case, investors would usually choose Company B. However, it is always very subjective when it comes to valuation. Some might even choose company A because he/she thinks that Company A’s earnings might perform better than Company B's future earnings by 300% in coming year. If you’re not sure what P/E is, you can Google it.

As Warren Buffett says; “Price is what you pay. Value is what you get”.

Not too sure if my explanation is simple enough for you or was it too long. But just to let you know, I’m not associated with The Edge.
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Thanks for the explanation! Yes, that makes sense. smile.gif
joshng
post Jul 9 2015, 02:12 PM

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Hi, i am a newbie in the stock market. Is anyone using maybank2u online stocks? How many days does it take for the money to be debited from your bank account? I bought a stock 2 days ago. I can see the stock in "my holdings" but the money in my bank account has not yet been debited. just wondering whether this is expected or am i doing it wrongly.
joshng
post Jul 9 2015, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Jul 9 2015, 04:33 PM)
You need to wait; T+3 day for the money credit out- bank dont do losse money business.
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joshng
post Jul 15 2015, 10:36 PM

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Hi guys, need more help. Can I check if my understanding of call warrants is correct?

Let's say I bought 5000 shares of a call warrant at RM0.20. Expiring in 31 July 2015. The exercise price RM2, Ratio 5:1.

Current market price of share is RM 3. Current price of call warrant is RM0.25.
Assuming that the share price remains at RM3 during the expiry date :

1) If i wait till the expiry date, the amount of money I will receive is :
- RM3-2/5 = RM0.20 per share.
- That means I will receive RM 0.20 x 5000 = RM1000
- Which means I gain nothing

2) If the share price goes up to RM3.50 during the expiry date, I will receive :
- RM3.50-2.00/5 = RM 0.30 per share
- That means I will receive RM0.30 x 5000 = RM1500
- Which means I gain 50% (RM500)


3) If I choose to sell my call warrant now, the money I will receive back is :
- RM 0.25 x 5000 = RM1250


4) If the share price goes down to RM 1.50, that means I lose all my capital?

5) I understand that the call warrants in Bursa Malaysia are structured warrants, i.e not issued by the company, but issued by the banks.
- Normal call warrant : I can exercise the warrant and purchase the shares at a specific price.
- Structured call warrant : I don't get to own the shares. I only purchase the warrant. And at the expiry date, I earn money or I lose everything.


6) If the company's current share price is much higher than the call warrant's exercise price, wouldn't it make sense to buy the call warrant?


7) What are the different codes used for call warrants? Any links for me to read up further?


Sorry for the long post. Appreciate any of your input. Thank you very much

joshng
post Jul 17 2015, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(Dreamer09 @ Jul 17 2015, 07:57 PM)
1) Call warrants issued by market maker cannot be exercised. Hence, just use the current market price times to number of shares for cash settlement amount. Assuming current call warrant price is RM0.25, you will receive; RM0.25 x 5000 = RM1,250.

2) Refer to answer no. 1

3) Yes, you're right

4) No. Refer to answer no. 1. It all depends on the current share price of the call warrant.

5) Maybe you're confused. Call warrants is a type of structured warrants. The other type of structured warrant is put warrant. They all cannot be exercised and can be found in http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed...#/?category=all

The type of warrants that can be exercised is company warrants.  Prefix for company warrants are -W. For instance, INARI-WA.

6) It depends. However, if the value/premium is negative when [Mother share price - (call warrant price + exercise price)], there is potential gains. Also, the value or premium of the call warrant tends to dwindle to zero when maturity approaches.

7) Prefix for call warrants are -C. For example, INARI-CB.

Some links for basic reading are https://www.osk188.com/page.jsp?name=faq_un...anding_warrants and http://www.rhbgroup.com/products-and-servi...tment/warrants/.

Alternatively, you can attend those seminars offered by your stockbroker about warrants trading or just ring up your dealer/remisier and ask them all your questions.
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i see.. thanks! But what is this "ratio" thing in the call warrants then? I thought it is used for the calculations on the cash settlement amount. unsure.gif
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post Jul 18 2015, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(Dreamer09 @ Jul 18 2015, 09:37 AM)
The conversion ratio is used to calculate the gearing, premium or discount and cash settlement. All the formulas can be found in http://1-million-dollar-blog.com/how-to-ca...-call-warrants/
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Thanks dreamer09 smile.gif Last questions :
1) To get the cash settlement, i need to sell my warrant before it expires? If the warrant expires, it will be worthless?
2) if i were to buy a company warrant, prefix -W can I convert it to mother shares upon expiry? can I do it with maybank2u online stocks?
3) i see that some company warrants have a ratio e.g. 1 warrant : 1 ordinary share of RM0.50 each. What does that "1 ordinary share of RM 0.50" mean?

Thank you for bearing with my noob questions biggrin.gif
joshng
post Aug 2 2015, 05:25 PM

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Dear all, i see that WingTM has a rights issue but i don't understand how it works.

ExDate : 4 Aug. Entitlement date : 6 Aug
Renounceable rights issue of up to 164,195,066 new ordinary shares of RM1.00 each in Wing Tai Malaysia Berhad ("Wing Tai" or "Company") ("Shares") ("Rights Shares") on the basis of one (1) Rights Share for every two (2) existing Shares held by the entitled shareholders on 6 August 2015 at 5.00 p.m.

1) If i buy 1000 shares on 3.8.15, i will be entitled to 500 rights?
2) I have a nominee CDS account. How do I exercise the right? Will i receive any documents? Will it appear in my online CDS account?
3) If I don't exercise the rights, i will lose money because the share price would drop dt dilution. That means if i don't plan to exercise the rights, i should sell it off?

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This post has been edited by joshng: Aug 2 2015, 05:25 PM
joshng
post Sep 20 2015, 10:45 PM

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Hi, can i ask what happens to a company's share price after a company warrant expire?

If i buy shares in Company X, and found out that Company X has a 5 year warrant that will expire next month, will the share price drop after that (due to new shares added into the market from warrant holders who convert their warrant into shares)?

If it is so, ppl who previously bought shares (who are not warrant holders) will lose out due to the price drop. Just wondering is my understanding correct?

Thanks

 

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