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 Gold Investment Corner V8, All About Gold

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post Mar 19 2015, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 19 2015, 09:13 PM)
UOB GOLD SAVINGS ACCOUNT

Bank Selling (RM) 140.30/g

Bank Buying (RM)138.2/g
http://www1.uob.com.my/business/GMIM/GMIM_pga.html

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post Mar 19 2015, 10:40 PM

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post Mar 20 2015, 09:10 PM

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Guys, now looks like over the counter will get GST Tax. So does this means that in future we buy gold from BSN will surely kena already?

Looks like it. Can anyone clarify?

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post Mar 21 2015, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(knight @ Mar 20 2015, 09:10 PM)
Guys, now looks like over the counter will get GST Tax. So does this means that in future we buy gold from BSN will surely kena already?

Looks like it. Can anyone clarify?
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Is there transaction fee when buying gold? I know GST works by charging 6% on the transaction fee or whatever fee, but when buying gold there isn't right? So how are they going to calculate if they are going to impose GST? hmm.gif
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post Mar 21 2015, 12:06 AM

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you buy mineral water rm1.00 no fee but got GST rm0.06.

meaning to say, other gold, except LBMMA 999.9 need to pay premium 6%.

those GST on transaction fee only applicable for withdraw money / IBG transfer, not buying physical or paper gold.
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QUOTE(ableze_joepardy @ Mar 21 2015, 12:06 AM)
you buy mineral water rm1.00 no fee but got GST rm0.06.

meaning to say, other gold, except LBMMA 999.9 need to pay premium 6%.

those GST on transaction fee only applicable for withdraw money / IBG transfer, not buying physical or paper gold.
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How exactly do you calculate that 6%???

- You buy UT, the 6% is charged based on SC. So instead of 2% SC, it will now be 2.12%.
- You buy stocks, 6% is charged on brokerage fee & clearing fee.
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QUOTE(ableze_joepardy @ Mar 21 2015, 12:06 AM)
you buy mineral water rm1.00 no fee but got GST rm0.06.

meaning to say, other gold, except LBMMA 999.9 need to pay premium 6%.

those GST on transaction fee only applicable for withdraw money / IBG transfer, not buying physical or paper gold.
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Mati la like that. If buy gold will kena GST, when when we buy online from BSM sure have to do online transaction am I right. So meaning another 6%??

Am I wrong??

What is LBMMA??

Ok, Lets say I want to buy gold next month from BSM and the price let's say at RM4000. How much will I get charged additional??

This post has been edited by knight: Mar 21 2015, 01:54 AM
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post Mar 21 2015, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(knight @ Mar 21 2015, 01:52 AM)
Mati la like that. If buy gold will kena GST, when when we buy online from BSM sure have to do online transaction am I right. So meaning another 6%??

Am I wrong??

What is LBMMA??

Ok, Lets say I want to buy gold next month from BSM and the price let's say at RM4000. How much will I get charged additional??
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I think rm240 blink.gif hmm.gif
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QUOTE(infernoaswen @ Mar 21 2015, 01:32 AM)
How exactly do you calculate that 6%???

- You buy UT, the 6% is charged based on SC. So instead of 2% SC, it will now be 2.12%.
- You buy stocks, 6% is charged on brokerage fee & clearing fee.
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QUOTE(knight @ Mar 21 2015, 01:52 AM)
Mati la like that. If buy gold will kena GST, when when we buy online from BSM sure have to do online transaction am I right. So meaning another 6%??

Am I wrong??

What is LBMMA??

Ok, Lets say I want to buy gold next month from BSM and the price let's say at RM4000. How much will I get charged additional??
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mati or not dont know la. but as far as I know is like that one la.

sorry its LBMA = The London Bullion Market Association

means only LBMA certified gold (pamp suisse, kijang emas) is exempted from GST.

you buy from BSM (buysilvermalaysia?) depends on what type of gold. if LBMA certified no problem. otherwise 6% on top of price of gold that you pay + another 6% of any charges imposed by BSM (if any) (assuming BSM didnt absorb GST and want charge you)

http://www.treasury.gov.my/pdf/gst/gst_kecuali.pdf

anyways this is all based on my understanding from various reading over other blogs. if u hav other info pls share n correct me if im wrong.
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post Mar 21 2015, 04:00 PM

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who want to buy physical gold can pm me item 916 new rm138.90 and 999 rm140 ,do buy before price hike and ringgit drop again ,price is negotiable .
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post Mar 23 2015, 07:05 PM

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this GST implementation still got alot of grey areas haven't clarified cleary. doh.gif
cannot imagine what to untung if got 6% charge when sell or buy gold doh.gif

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QUOTE(devilkid84 @ Mar 23 2015, 07:05 PM)
this GST implementation still got alot of grey areas haven't clarified cleary.  doh.gif
cannot imagine what to untung if got 6% charge when sell or buy gold  doh.gif
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I'm confused. Both UOB bank and Tomei selling Maple Leaf gold coin but the price so much different. Happen to pass by Tomei and saw the rate 999 was RM175/gram. Asked the salesman and was quoted Maple Leaf gold coin 1 oz about RM5.4k (RM175 x 31.1). Checked UOB website bank selling the same coin for RM4,580.

Question is why should we buy from Tomei if the price difference is so huge at about RM900 (RM5.4k - RM4.5k)? Any difference in design?

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QUOTE(alanwch @ Mar 26 2015, 09:51 AM)
I'm confused. Both UOB bank and Tomei selling Maple Leaf gold coin but the price so much different. Happen to pass by Tomei and saw the rate 999 was RM175/gram. Asked the salesman and was quoted Maple Leaf gold coin 1 oz about RM5.4k (RM175 x 31.1). Checked UOB website bank selling the same coin for RM4,580.

Question is why should we buy from Tomei if the price difference is so huge at about RM900 (RM5.4k - RM4.5k)? Any difference in design?
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normal gold retail shop need to buat untung for sure and their gold need charge workmanship that why expensive and if u buy from tomei probably u need sell back to tomei with below market price 15-20%. so better buy from UOB.
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QUOTE(devilkid84 @ Mar 26 2015, 10:18 AM)
normal gold retail shop need to buat untung for sure and their gold need charge workmanship that why expensive  and if u buy from tomei probably u need sell back to tomei with below market price 15-20%. so better buy from UOB.
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Thank you for the info. But the salesman told me got workmanship charge on top of it RM 200. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(alanwch @ Mar 26 2015, 10:21 AM)
Thank you for the info. But the salesman told me got workmanship charge on top of it RM 200.  rclxub.gif
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if you want to buy gold bar / coins for investment better go buy with banks / BSM / dealer

TOMEI / goldsmith only jewelry.
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QUOTE(ableze_joepardy @ Mar 26 2015, 10:33 AM)
if you want to buy gold bar / coins for investment better go buy with banks / BSM / dealer

TOMEI / goldsmith only jewelry.
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post Mar 26 2015, 04:08 PM

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Though the price of gold has seen a significant drop over the last two years from it’s all time highs of about $1900 per ounce, many experts and analysts believe that western central banks and their colleagues at major financial institutions have been manipulating the price. The rampant manipulation is believed to stem, in part, from the formerly Rothschild owned London Gold Fix, an organization made up of five large banks that make a daily determination of what the price of gold should be.

It is this unilateral control by western banks that recently prompted the Chinese to create their own Shanghai Gold Exchange. What separates the two is that the Chinese will be using their currency, the Yuan, as the reserve rather than the U.S. Dollar. Moreover, unlike their European counterparts, the Chinese will be trading in actual physical dollars.

It is this process by central banks in the west that will ultimately lead to the destruction of the paper gold market as it exists today.

The banks operating in these paper markets do so with gold that they don’t own. They trade in paper receipts. The reason that’s a problem is that there are anywhere from thirty to fifty “owners” for every ounce of gold out there.

Craig Hemke of the TF Metals Report discusses the western gold scheme in a recent interview with The Daily Coin and says that when the music finally stops there are going to be a lot of people who think they own a certain amount of gold but all they’ll really be holding is a worthless paper ticket:

The problem is easy to see. Should just two people show up claiming the same ounce of gold one of them is coming home empty handed.  What Craig Hemke describes is a scenario where as many as fifty different people are going to claim ownership for the same ounce of gold. The same is likely true for the silver market.

And now that the Chinese are dealing directly with physical gold it is only a matter of time before the entire scheme collapses. In fact, the Chinese and Russians know it’s coming and that’s why they’ve been furiously purchasing gold on the open market.

The solution should be obvious: If you invest in gold make sure you hold the physical asset in your hand.




Excerpts taken from : http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/madness-coming-to-gold-market-there-are-thirty-to-fifty-beneficial-owners-for-each-ounce-of-gold-thats-out-there_03252015
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post Mar 26 2015, 04:17 PM

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Gold surging to USD1217/oz after penetrating the USD1200/oz resistance level.
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QUOTE(Flex @ Mar 26 2015, 04:17 PM)
Gold surging to USD1217/oz after penetrating the USD1200/oz resistance level.
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