you are buying or selling?
if you are buying, the stuff which is more than 2 years old should be quite cheap, as for the pioneer 4850, i think there's someone selling it at ZTH.
hope this helps.

ya, see how much people willing to pay and sell. From what i saw, I think there are a lot of idiots there who will say
" WAT?? at this price I can buy 100 new 1...i own u !" Hence spoiling your WTS thread.

so i think better is ppl who interested, pm u and discuss