Well, after spending some time searching around, I've finally come down to these two guitars, the Ibanez RG370DXL and the LTD M-50 left-hand. (Yes, I'm doomed to the limited models of left-handed electric guitars, but so be it. )

I tried the M-50 (lefty) at Guitar Collection, Mid Valley, whereas my friend has the right-handed Ibanez model. Both are fine with me (heck, I dont know anything about electric guitars), but I'm kinda skeptical with the three way switch on the M-50 and the H-H pickup of the M-50. The LTD M-50 has some cool distortions, but I'm not so sure about its clean tone.

Now, my questions are :

1. Would the H-S-H pickup tear a gap in terms of sound compared to the H-H one? I intend to play a wide range of songs from funky to noisy, metal ones.

2. Overall, which guitar would be in your favour? In terms of durability, sound, and maybe looks? This will be my first electric guitar ( currently learning acoustic ) and will be for quite some time. (The price gap isn't too big I guess, the Ibanez is around RM1,4xx (Bentley's, ordered from Indonesia) while the M-50 is RM1,298.)

3. Can someone explain what is a Wizard II Neck and Edge III (L) bridge. And why does it say 3 piece Maple Neck Material?
Referred from Ibanez RG370DXL

4. Is 24 frets needed?

5. The thing which you control with the whammy bar (not sure what its called, is it a tremolo bridge?), the person at Guitar Collection said the M-50 Is one-way, while the Ibanez has a two-way whatever-you-call-it. A friend mentioned that a 2-way would be better, but is it necessary?

6. Is there anywhere else where I can get an Ibanez? Preferbly around the Golden Triangle or PJ or Shah Alam area. An order placed at Bentley's would take 3 months, if I'm not mistaken.

7. Do I have to get a pricey amp?

That's all I have in mind, for now. Thanks for leaving a simple reply, or even reading through, it looks messy to me, and there'll prolly be errors in it as im kinda sleepy right now.

This post has been edited by Clavicus: Aug 31 2006, 10:25 PM

IMO go for Ibanez. Apperently both are in the same category of guitar, suitable for hard rock kind of stuff. The main reason why because model that you mention M-50 is made from agathist and ibanez are from basswood. Basswood IMO relatively better than agathist. And M-50 is a low end LTD. For the same price you can find a decent Ibanez. If I'm not mistaken M-50 is retail around RM 1098 before discount.

If is not that urgent, save some more and go for LTD MH-50. I've tried it once and it's good. Finding left hand guitar for this model is another story.

For the pickup, apperently H-S-H more versatile compare to H-H setup.
But in the end of the day, it's about what kind of music and tone you prefer.

for me, i'll always pick ibanez over LTD, reason due to LTD is abit over priced here in malaysia...

the LTD's whammy only allows u to press it down while the ibanez's trem is a modified version of a floyd rose trem, basically allows u to supress it 2 ways...both front and back...

fret wise, it's up to u whether are u going to play all the way up to 24th...if yes, then go for it...

for a 2 way tremelo, the servicing is more complicated compared to a normal trem...and it requires more knowledge to actually set up the whole thing properly...and the best place to get ibanez is from bentley...

amp wise, u can try the roland microcube, retailing at rm380 if i'm not mistaken...it's small, loud and got enough effects to get u started...u can also try line6's spider 2...i got the 15 watt one and it's loud and does pack a punch for a practice amp, and got enough cool effects to get started also...it's rm580 at ck music...

hope that helps...btw, if anything wrong in this post, do correct me...

check if both guitars are available here..... try both out...... choose
personally i would go for the ibanez... a lot of improvements on the edge3 compared to the last one
go to jemsite for more details... most of your technical questions can be answered there
and u'll learn heaps more...

Is tremolo a must? If not, I wouldn't really suggest a FR equipped guitar. Instead, I will steer you to the SZ series. Mahogany neck and body, maple top, H-H, three way switch, 22 frets, it is basically a much better playing version of an LP. Around RM1500++.

Might be slightly more than your budget but with guitars, always think long term.

But if you must have a superstrat style guitar, the RG series is one of the best out there but do not expect the same performance from the RG370 when compared to an MIJ RG.

The RG3xx are the mid level Ibanez and the hardware is just so so. The INF pickups are pretty decent but the bridge is not as solid as the Ibanez top of the line bridge. It will work for now but no telling how long it will last. As with most FR found on mid-level guitars, they will usually start giving you trouble in less than a year. A top of the line FR on the other hand will probably last you forever. (My RG has the top of the line bridge, as solid as ever even after 4 years of abuse)

I would also suggest you test both. But I would also lean towards the Ibanez personally, coz it offers better value.

However, as some above suggested, you might want a hardtail instead of a floyd type trem since you are just starting out on electric unless you specifically want a trem. Bear in mind that a floating trem will be harder for you to setup and restring so be prepared for the extra amount of hassle for the pleasure of playing with the trem. (a floating tremolo is defined as it is literally floating between the string tension and the counteracting spring tension of the tremolo)

The M50 has a non-locking dive only tremolo, hence why it was called one way by your friend. The RG was called two way by your friend because it can dive and also pull up. Your friend may have said it is better but really it's down to whether you need it. But since the M50 has a non-locking tremolo, IF you intend to do any huge dives and heavy trem abuse, this is not for you. A double locking tremolo on the RG will have much better tuning stability. What double locking means is that the strings are locked into position at the locking nut at the neck and also at the end of the bridge (not just by the string's ball joint). The Edge 3 is much improved over the older bridges (ie. ILT1, Lo-TRS) and should serve you well for a start provided you have it well setup. Since it is one of Ibanez's lower-mid end bridges it may not last as long as the higher end ones.

As for your question on the neck, the Wizard II neck is a specification for their neck. In the page you posted the specs of the neck are specified at the bottom. As for the 3 piece thing, as far as I know the MIJ Prestige series have 2 pieces of quarter sawn maple on the two outer sides and a piece of flat sawn maple in the centre, laminated together. This provides a much stronger neck and have less tendency to warp because the different forces of the neck woods counteract each other. How detailed they go into this on the lower end necks I don't know.

depends what u play...
depends how u like your neck profile also...
ibanez wizard necks are a bit flat to me....
i rather save money for a mh-50... my friend has one.. very nice...

and for me, i dun fancy the H-S-H layout of ibanez..
cause the middle pup always tend to be so high...
i like to dig into the strings.... i always hit that pup...
and ibanez edge pro not so good also compared to licenced floyd rose although it may require some careful maintanence

Thanks for the replies everyone, but I dont think there is a left-handed model for the SZ series or the MH-50. Bentley's said they will contact Ibanez's Japan headquarters to confirm if that model is still in production. If there is stock, they'll try to rush it for Bentley's September/October shipments. If they cant make it, i gotta wait till next year. IF that happens, are there any other places where i can place Ibanez orders?

This post has been edited by Clavicus: Sep 1 2006, 02:21 PM

i believe you got the name of the bridge wrong here. the RG370DXL has an Edge III.
the Edge Pro is the top of the line bridge Ibanez has to offer now in their newer guitars, which is made in Japan by Gotoh, and it IS a licensed floyd. Whether the Original Floyd Rose, or Gotoh licensed Floyd Rose, or original Edge, or the LoPro Edge or the Edge Pro is better, it's all down to different personal preferences.

Take the ibanez. LTD's not worth the money.

yup..ibanez's a better choice..ltd overpriced in m'sia

Wow..... a guy with an ESP pic recommending an Ibanez over the ESP......
I would recommend the Ibanez too..... although the Middle Single coil might not get much use, the built quality is much much better compared to the crap LTD puts out now adays.

the ibanez has to be ordered from indonesia?
where is it made?
the ltd is made in indonesia right?

as for HH or HSH pickup, the middle S pickup always gets in the way for metal.
A LOT of players actually drop the middle pickup height to the lowest possible so it doesnt interfere.
even ritchie blackmore's strat has a dummy middle coil for that reason.

as for 3 piece vs 1 piece necks.
well, there are cases of 3 piece necks warping over time, as the individual pieces somehow shrink or expand differently.
and i've seen quite a few high end ibanez rg's from the late 80s with warped necks.

anyway, the RG370 is the only lefty at your budget?
else i would take the RG320 instead with HH, then you can split them to get single coil sounds.

Acctually, the RG370 kinda off budget, I was originally intending to buy a Yamaha RGX121ZL. Its a kinda long story, but anyways, Bentley's responded. Sadly, their supplier demands for a minimum quality, so the deal was canceled. Most prolly my mom will try to get a friend from SG to get it from a shop over there (it's on display) and bring it back. And yeah, both are manufactured in Indonesia. BTW, a review i read on the Net says that the single coil gives more versatality. Any comments on this please?

This post has been edited by Clavicus: Sep 1 2006, 06:19 PM

that yamaha seems more decent.
cept it doesnt have a double locking trem, but it does have an alder body and 3 a side headstock.

A demonstrator perfomed on the right handed model there, and to tell the truth, i wasnt really impressed with its sound. He had it plugged into a rather big amp with digital controls and stuff. But he rocks tho. What's the diffrence between the Yamaha and Ibanez? Most of the specs looks the same to me. Enlighten me?

This post has been edited by Clavicus: Sep 1 2006, 06:23 PM

main point is the ibanez has double locking trem.
for a beginner, you're gonna get very irritated at it.

but double trem more fun...
and i think alot of us hate the middle pup arrangement of ibanez..
i dman hate it...

I wouldn't say hate it..... but just don't find a use..... yet.
Heck.... I'm installing a complete set of Seymore's in my Strat..... middle pick-up included.

ffs... go try them out and then decide... NV buy a guitar without trying it... unless you're not buying it entirely for playing purposes

careful not to let the amps full you... try it the gats out on an amp similar to the one u gonna get

seriously.... TRY THEM OUT.. there aint many left handed guitars for sale most of the time anyway (knows from personal experience )

Why would the trem be irritating? Is it cuz of the hassle at restringing? And does pup stand for pick-up? I dont really "dig into" the strings, so i dont think i'd be a problem. It felt fine when i tried on my friend's guitar.

Is there anything that i need to change when i get my guitar? I plan to get a pedal in the future.

EDIT : I indeed tried a righthanded one, since there are no RG370's lying around, and it felt fine. There wont be a big difference between a left-handed one and a right-handed one would it? My friend uses a 10-watt Marshall amp, which is around what i want, so..

This post has been edited by Clavicus: Sep 1 2006, 08:03 PM

Yes, restringing them takes more time.

Pup= pickup.

Left handed guitar and right handed ones, if its the same model should sound the same.

I'd suggest changing the amp later on when u get enough money first, not the pickups. The guitar and the amp is equally important in getting a nice tone.

blacktrix: i find strat middle pup fine..
ibanez is higher....
its just the design of the cavity and position of is ngam ngam kacau me....

actually strat also kacau me.. haha.. volume knob too near the bridge...
strum strum strum, hear my volume getting softer and softer.. haha

esp pic looks cool wat.. used a n esp b4.. not that nice le..

low end ones are so so la...
mh-50 is about the benchmark entry level to me...
but for that price, u can arleady get like a mid level ibanez..

The middle pup will always be an issue for some in H-S-H or even S-S-S guitars. If it is too high just grab the screw driver the screw it lower. You don't need it that high anyway since no way can the single coil compete with the volume of the humbucker.

I play metal and a dig hard and the middle coil has never been an issue. In fact it is a must have for me for maximum versatility. H-S-H gives me pure humbucker tone and the in-between quack tone of a strat. H-H can't do that.

I hope you are just mistaken cause saying the edge pro is inferior to those licensed trems is just ridiculous. The Edge Pro is the top of the line bridge and is regarded in the same standard as the OFR. On the other hand, if you want pure junk, those trem on those Indon LTD is pure junk.

The Yamaha is a fine guitar. You can't really go wrong with it. The Ibanez with the FR will be nightmare to set up and restring if you are not familiar with the concept.

ahh...
my guitar facts were wrong....
thanks...

I tried a RM900+ Yamaha guitar the other day at Midvalley...... H-S-H setup.... Sounded REALLY good for the price. Can't remember the model.
But quite versatile. I tried out a few Randy riffs, some Jimi riffs, some Zakk stuff..... and they sounded pretty good. Wish I could try out the trem bar.... but the overall feel is good. Nice action, and really easy to reach the higher frets.

Well the H-S-H thing is a preference issue. The single coil does get in the way for me occasionally coz I have it about as close to the strings as the neck pup. But I use it for coil splitting with the humbuckers for cleans coz it sounds nice.

Clavicus: well for the pleasure of playing with a floyd rose trem, you have to put up with more complicated restringing and tuning and retuning and retuning again. Also, if one string breaks, every other string will go sharp. Bend a string and all other strings goes flat (this is also a preference thing, some people like the buttery feel of bending with a floating trem), but it means your double stops wont be as in tune as a hardtail (there are also ways to counter this, such as slightly bending the other string you intend to hit or press down the bridge with your palm).

This post has been edited by MetalZone: Sep 2 2006, 02:34 AM

The Roland Micro Cube has only 2-watts, and it lacks an equalizer. Would it affect the versatality of a guitar? Dont get me wrong, it sounds awsome, but I'd like to play along with my friend who is a drummer, and I wouldnt want his drums to drown my guitar like what happened to my acoustic.

Should I get a Roland Micro Cube or a Roland Cube 15? Or perhaps something else altogether?

The lack of EQ won't affect the versatility of the guitar, but you will have less options in tweaking your overall tone.

The Micro will definitely be drowned by the drums... so as the Cube 15 lol... The 30 might stand better chance but if you're the kind of guitarist who loves to turn the gain to 11 and uses scoop mids, you might find trouble cutting through. Otherwise, it should be fine for small gigs and rehearsals.

If you want to use the amp for jamming better try investing in something more powerful, about 50watts should be fine.

I'd opt for a bigger amp, for the sake of more knobs and options, and the think-long-term factor, but lets face it, price restraints are cruel. And a big amp might be a hassle to transport, especially when I'm the type which knocks into almost everything.

If a bigger amp is unavoidable, what brand or particular model you guys would recommend? I dont think it'd be necessary to have effects like a Roland (although it'd be nice), within the price range of 300-500? The reason im dropping the effects is cuz im getting a pedal (prolly a Zoom) sometime around CNY ..



I been told that gain is for distortion and whatnot, but what exactly is midscoop? I'm at a loss when it comes to the knobs.

This post has been edited by Clavicus: Sep 2 2006, 08:12 PM

Ya, know, someone is selling a marshall MG30 for around rm600 in jamtank. As much as I thought the MG series suck ass, for rm600, that's a pretty decent practise amp that should be enough for now.

The classic scooped-mid settings :
Bass : 10, Mid : 0, Treble : 10

Playing metal or hard rock? I would opt for the Marshall AVT50x. Really. So far, it's the best performance/price for hard rockers out there. If you want something more versatile, go for the Vox AD50vt.......

The AD50vt sounds MUCH MUCH better then the Marshall.... yes......
but if you're playing Metal and Hard Rock..... the amp just isn't powerful enough..... the Avt50x definately has the balls that goes with it.

I'll be waiting for your hate mail..... but Led_zep...... you heard what the Marshall could do with my Zakk Wylde epi...... Nuff said.

Er.. perhaps 20 kilogrammes is a little too much to lug around?

Question. Should i get an amp with effects or just settle with a normal one first, then get a pedal? Can the effects from the amp and the pedal be mixed?

This post has been edited by Clavicus: Sep 2 2006, 11:45 PM

It can..... but MOSTLY...... amp effects, ESPECIALLY for the lower end models SUCK.

But it looks like you're going to sacrifice sound for weight....... I know you're gigging and stuff like that... but face it.... most 50watters going to weigh as much too.

A Laney 30-watt amp with reverb (not the one with effects) is around 480 already, kinda exceeding my price range. And the 20 kg is refered to the Vox and Marshall. I guess im stuck to effect-less amp if i were to get bigger wattage. Just for fun, how much would the Roland Cube20X cost anyway?

Finally found the amp my teacher was showing me.

Ibanez TB25R

I never mentioned that i would be playing with a drummer, but would it suffice? It's like 5 watts short from what led_zep_freak recommended.

This post has been edited by Clavicus: Sep 3 2006, 12:18 AM

Try buying used dude, you can get great deals if you look around and be patient.

I wouldn't recommend the Ibanez and the Laney, played both, and while the Ibanez has suprisingly nice distortion, there are better amps for the price. The laney just plain sucks. Horrible overdrive/distortion, sterile cleans. No wonder they are so cheap even new.

The Marshall MG30 is decent if you buy used. They are decent as a practice amp but not for jamming (MG series do not cut at all)

Another option is the Behringer modelling amp. Really great stuff for the price. I played the 15 watt version before and I was honesly suprised at the tone. There are bigger watt versions.

Noisetrigger is right....... decide FIRST on if it's going to be a practise amp, or a bigger amp that you're going to be using for practise.....

Remember that a practise amp, while cheap and decent enough on it's own, Will never be good enough for a giging job. For a minimum, you'll need at LEAST a decent 50w amp for small gigs and stuff like that. A great practise amp does not mean it's going to be an average gigging amp. Remember that.

Yes, power DOES matter if you're gigging.... (it's kinda ironic because I never gig and I'm STILL getting a 150w amp later in the year..... just in case)

Currently practice is more of a priority, so 10-15 watts perhaps? How would a Line 6 Spider II 15W fare?

Just went to the Line6 web and listened to the samples, and im kinda curious why there are variations (i.e. Crunch, Crunch variation 1, Crunch variation 2)? What are they? And how far are the samples true?

This post has been edited by Clavicus: Sep 4 2006, 07:01 PM

i have a line6 spider 2 (15watts), and i got it for rm580 (promo)...honestly, it's more than enough for practicing...if for gig, i dun think the sound can cut through...the built-in effects are cool to mess around with, but not as versatile as stompboxes...

it's always better to try those amps yourself rather than sampling through the net...btw, the effects on the line6 should be more than enough to give you a kickstart...

how bout the roland cube-30? loud enuf to play with a band in a small place. the built-in effects are quite good also..

Sadly its too pricey. RM990, am i right?

i owned a ibanez 270 and 370Dx,
personally, i think the quality of the guitar is great, and i also tried the LTD model u mention in Mid-valley 3rd floor....
well, i think 370DX is far better in terms of neck, design, pickups and the bridge compare to LTD, and the basswood give u better sustain.

i not sure about the price in Malaysia, but my ibanex was bought in US last year at the price of USD 285 (about 1083 ringgit) after a discount and price beat.

the later INF pickups give us a heavier tone compare to the ibanez standard pickups used in 270DX.
this is all i can tell u~

If you ask me, I'd say start cheap & easy first and maybe upgrade bit by bit along the way. I'm currently using the MH-50, but I changed the pickups & electronics within 6 months of buying that guitar and so far, it's been rockin'! Also, I completely redid the paintjob on my guitar, so that kinda upped my costs also. Nevertheless, I'd recommend my approach to anyone:

1. Buy a cheap guitar with the main tech-specs you're looking for, especially pickup, tone & volume knob settings. By this, I mean that the guitar should feel comfortable where the knobs & switches are and you can easily move around to execute volume swells & stuff. More important is that the neck should feel comfortable and the guitar has the right action. Never mind the ugly sound that the guitar probably produces for now! I bought my MH-50 in Singapore for SG$495 which is about RM1100. The only limitations I find to this guitar has been said by the others: that is, the tremolo isn't really built for raising the pitch, but I have had no problems pulling my notes up by half-steps or a full step (which is actually sufficient for me). The sound of the stock-pickups (ESP-100s) are rather muddy also.

2. Save money to buy new electronics, especially pots & pups. I personally spent about RM560 on my pickups & stuff. A DiMarzio X2N & Air Norton from eBay, Sigler Music cost me RM510 plus shipping. 2 Ernie Ball 500K Pots from BEntley's for RM25 each.

3. Buy your amps from Malaysia. Buying amps from Singapore and bringing them into Malaysia will subject you to a 30% tax. If you're really skint, just buy a mono-plughead converter and hook your guitar up into you computer soundcard or your parents' home-theatre system (via the karaoke mic jack)! Never buy any of those portable 3-watt toys. Save money and get better amps. I bought myself a Marshall MG15CDR which I have nothing but good things to say abt. That one cost me RM560 fro Woh Fatt. I was at Bentley's the other day and one of the guys told me that they're in the process of getting a dealership from Mesa Boogie, so if you can save up money and wait until then, I think it's really going to be worth your while.

4. Additional upgrades like a new paintjob are not recommended generally. I spent RM125 on a Duplicolor Mirage Kit (it changes color from purple to green!) from America, screwed up my guitar big time, and had to send it to a car-paint shop to get it redone professionally for RM380. Looks good now, though! All in all, the cost of repainting your guitar is a whole lot of heart-aches and cash. Nevertheless, it outlines the fact that you shouldn't choose a guitar based on it's "nice colours" as these can be altered.

Not counting my effects pedals, picks, straps & other miscellaneous equipment, my initial guitar investment is around RM2,500. End result?

MH-50 (Black->Royal Blue Shifting Paint) with Dimarzio X2N Bridge & Air Norton Pickups, Floyd Rose Patented Bridge & Neck Locking

Marshall MG15CDR 15-watt amp: Enough to make your ears bleed and your neighbours scream!

This post has been edited by changhao: Oct 21 2006, 10:30 PM

With the amount of money you have spent on your LTD, you could have just bought a much better used Japanese.

RM2500 can easily get you within the range of used Japanese RG5xx and above.

If you are lucky, they probably already came with Dimarzios. If not, having a quality axe and tremolo is definitely more important than the pickups.

No offense, but you are probably going to upgrade your inferior tremolo to an OFR in the future anyway and that will set you back another 600 to 700. At than point more than RM3k has been spent and you could have actually gotten a NEW Prestige RG1570.

As for the amp, looking at used range, RM500 can get you loads of nice amps also nowadays. Or if you want new, the microcube at less than RM400 is a much better amp than your MG15.

That said, used is really the best way to go. Buying a cheap axe and spending more money on the upgrades than the guitar itself is just plain silly.



This post has been edited by noisetrigger: Oct 22 2006, 12:43 AM

I agree with noisetrigger. RM2500 can get you a MUCH better used MIJ Ibanez. In fact I know someone got a slightly beat up RG2020X Prestige plus DiMarzios for 750 SGD from singapore. I believe in getting the base right, which is the neck and body construction, and also the tremolo system if you want one (coz swapping trems is not a simple thing, you may have to reroute, replace the old stud anchors and studs etc). Electronics may be as crappy as it can get, I don't care, coz at least these are easily replaceable. But the heart of the guitar is essentially the body and neck.

*edited price

This post has been edited by MetalZone: Oct 22 2006, 01:13 AM

True, but I personally found it next to impossible to get a cheap guitar with a body to accomodate a 2-humbucker & floyd-rose bridge setting. Had to settle for the MH-50 but I think it's alright.

If you're talking about buying just the MH-50 plus pickups without the repainting I did & my amps, I guess it's possible to stick to a budget of RM1650, which is SGD$800 thereabouts.

The reason why I blew $2,500 was mainly due to my extravagances in getting a new paint job. That little escapade alone cost me about RM500!

This post has been edited by changhao: Oct 22 2006, 01:22 AM

As we had mentioned, buy second hand. The fact that you had access to Singapore makes it even easier (heck i never even had a passport).

This is what someone got for SGD750. Case not included. Comes with Dimarzio's, the bridge is one of Ibanez's best, the Double Lo-Pro Edge that has piezo's, a Wizard prestige neck, mahogany body...


Not to despise you honestly, I apologise if i hurt any of your feelings. Just to show how much choice you actually have out there in the second hand market for really good stuff.

You got to be kidding me. Loads of H-H guitars with FR out there. Ibanez, LTD, Squier, Cort, Yamaha...most of these can be had for less than RM1500 new, and less than RM1k used.

Someone is selling a used LTD M50 in Jamtank for RM700. He looks desperate and the price will likely go lower.

This post has been edited by noisetrigger: Oct 22 2006, 01:32 AM

That's one good-looking axe~

If that's the case, I have to say that either I was looking at the wrong places or really have no luck! But wait... my guitar itself cost me Rm1650 including 2 new DiMarzios. Do the other brands carry H-H models with floyd-rose for under RM$1100, cos' that's how much I paid for my LTD.

The M50 is different from the MH-50 and from what I know, the m50 doesn't have a floyd-rose bridge.

This post has been edited by changhao: Oct 22 2006, 01:36 AM

Opps, my bad, it is an MH50. Here is the link http://forum.jamtank.com/viewtopic.php?t=9...31df53f864ef0ee

Only FR guitars than you can get here new for less than RM1k are those china made stuff like SX or whatever generic name they put on the headstock.

But for around RM1500, can get new Ibanez RG3xx series which are really decent guitar for the price. The materials, build quality, and hardware are also better than the LTD.

That said, I will always encourage people to buy used eventhough those RG3xx series are pretty good deals for a new guitar.

I agree, noisetrigger. Nothing wrong with the second hands if they're available, but pay attention that there are no defects on them before buying. Bring an experienced friend along when inspecting the second hand axe if you don't know how to check for defects. Also, a lot of counterfeit axes out there these days, so have to be extra careful.

And gee, MH50 for RM700... for a second hand, it sounds like a good deal!

I bought all my pedals second hand. Saved hundreds. The only bad side to it is sitting at the computer everyday browsing through classifieds for the stuff you want...these things dont pop out at a good price frequently.

heard that the edge III is not that good and its made from cheap material..so i guess there is sum bad also about the value for money RG 370DX. its really hard to get a good guitar without high budget dude

The Edge III is better than the average licensed crap you will find on most low to mid end import guitars out there.

For about RM1500 new, it is hard to beat for the features and quality it offers.

Of course this is only the case if we are speaking in new guitars term.

Let's face it, we get what we pay for, it will be unreasonable to pay little and expecting too much.

Then again, there's the old adage that "The goods don't maketh the man".

Buy a cheap kapok/SX guitar and be the next Hendrix. Now that's what I call talent!

The Edge III is much better than the Lo-TRS/Lo-TRS II it replaced, and some people claim it's more durable than the Edge Pro II due to its constuction. Yes they use cheaper materials than Ibanez's top of the range trems, but you get what you pay for as noisetrigger said. Avoid the ILT1, it's basically a renamed Lo-TRS.

hehehe...buy both lor

Walao, thread of 2 years back.