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post Nov 16 2014, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(maximR @ Nov 16 2014, 10:03 PM)
More than three weeks ago I purchased a what seemed to be a reasonably priced pair of earphones (Sony MDREX310SL) on Lazada. They priced it at around RM230, which I could accept. Further, it would come included with a carrying pouch, a few different sized earbuds, as well as noise-isolation earbuds. I've never had earphones with changeable earbuds or noise-isolation ones, so I was quite happy.

Three weeks went past, not a single update from Lazada. I contacted them, only to be notified via email that they have cancelled the order due to dubious processing time promised by the seller.

Now I'm left with my clunky Sony XB-400 Super Bass headphones. It definitely serves its purpose, but I feel that carrying it around is a hassle, I prefer earphones which are much more portable. I also want to make my purchase online, but I can't seem to find a reliable shop which sells Sony products.

I need your help, and welcome your suggestions, if you think there are better earphones in the price range which are not necessarily branded Sony.

Thanks.
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There's Jaben Audio:
http://jaben.com.my/shopping2/home.php

yuheng and walabies are the 2 I know represent the store, and I've dealt with them more than once. They're fast and reliable with pretty good warranty service.

Then there's E1-AKG which also has an online store. Then there's jjjkj from whom I bought a Shure SE215-SPE. IIRC I bought an Audio Technica IM50 from him as well, and at a surprisingly more affordable price. Fairly competent in presenting detail, but the treble wasn't my most favourite trait of that IEM. It wasn't that it was piercing but it's a bit too shy.

It certainly won't reach Sony XB level bass on its own, but with good EQ it's fairly capable of much more bass. Excellent choice for the money. Between it and the EX310-SL, I'd go with either, but the IM50 isn't the most comfortable or easiest to put on. It's actually pretty big its small drivers. However the IM50 does have removable cable so they can theoretically last pretty much forever.

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post Nov 18 2014, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(maximR @ Nov 18 2014, 09:06 PM)

I checked out Jaben Audio, but they stock expensive ones, which are clearly out of my meager cry.gif  budget. But I think I can push beyond RM250, less than RM300, to be precise.

Now that you've mentioned Audio Technica IM50, I'm torn between the two ( but still considering XBA-1, unsure of the price ), but the problem is, while I've found sellers for AT IM50, I haven't found any for a discontinued Sony product. Any thoughts?

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I don't know where to look for discontinued products unfortunately. Which discontinued product are you looking for? If it's the XBA-1, there's actually the replacement XBA-10, at RM199.

That's odd, XBA-30 is still in production but not XBA-20, at least not the non-mic version.

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post Nov 18 2014, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(maximR @ Nov 18 2014, 09:45 PM)
I was referring to the EX310.

XBA-10 seems very reasonable, but I think a step-up to AT-IM50 would be better, no? What do you think? The only concern I have with AT-IM50 would be comfort, as reviews mostly point out the large earbud sizes.
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They both sound radically different, and IMO the more fun to listen to is the IM50, while the XBA is more humble in every way. Yes the IM50 takes a little getting used to putting on, but it wasn't the worst I've ever owned. The worst would be the Radius HP-TWF11. tongue.gif

My ear bowl is pretty large and open to the point where an earbud will never ever be able to hang off my ear, so the IM50 though not the best fitting IEM does stay on pretty good after I've learned how to put them on. Plus the stiff cable section that lets you shape the cable to your ear helped a lot.

I almost forgot, there's also Beyerdynamic XP series. There's clear, balanced, and bass (XP3,2, and 1 respectively). Pretty good sound quality whichever you choose.
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post Nov 22 2014, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(maximR @ Nov 21 2014, 11:36 PM)
I read a thread about Beyerdynamic XP, and almost made the purchase on XP 2 until I read the very last few pages about the earphones dying out after a year or two, sometimes even less.

I know it's subjective, but do you think it'd be more worth the buy if I purchase AT IM50 instead, considering that it's slightly pricier?
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Yes actually I have read quite a lot of complaints about the durability. Despite having a metal body they're quite fragile. Considering their price and sound I believe some things were compromised. These may need a bit more care than what one would like for an entry IEM from a big brand name.

The IM50 certainly feels solid even though it's plastic, and the cables are replaceable but even so still looks and feels like they can take a beating (though I would reserve the 'toughness' for when accidents occur, and not make abuse a regular thing). I believe the higher price is totally justified.

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post Nov 27 2014, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(maximR @ Nov 27 2014, 03:52 PM)
Thanks for the recommendation! Just got it but there's a mini-concern which hasn't been sorted out. Was wondering if you could help.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=71680114
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I don't remember hearing any noise from my laptop using those.
Compared to the XB400, the IM50 is more sensitive and have a much lower impedance. 108dB/mW is quite sensitive, plus at 10 Ohm getting it loud is a breeze.
Be sure to try it out on a few more portable music players.

The TV would have a bit of noise but you'd be surprised that they don't actually sound that bad. When I Google Macbook Air noisy headphone jack, there seems to be a lot of forum posts about that. But as for the noise following the music, I've never had that happen ever with any players, laptop, amp, or DAC. My old 2008 Dell Vostro 1400 was noisy, and also my old Samsung LCD through the heapdhone jack, but the noise could be drowned with a bit of music, provided that they're not 128 kbps mp3 or lower.

If it's indeed the IEM it's still under warranty right?
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post Nov 27 2014, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(maximR @ Nov 27 2014, 09:03 PM)
Problem solved! It is indeed about the impedance. Apparently AT IM50's impedance is higher than anything I've used ( XB-400, ATH M20x ). I tweaked the audio settings on my Mac ( changing it from 16-bit to 24-bit ) and the hissing is gone! I'm so happy now. From a Physics nerd, to someone who knows a little bit about impedance, in-ears, bass, burn-in...

I'm very happy with my purchase. Thank you for your recommendation.  laugh.gif When I first got it, I was underwhelmed because I'd been using it in places with a lot of ambient noise, and probably because I've been used to the XB-400 which produces very big booms ( I listen to a lot of EDM music ).

But after using it for quite some time today, and switching back to XB-400, I realised that I haven't been hearing a lot of things in a music with full clarity with my XB-400. And the more I listen to my AT IM50's, the more awesome they sound.  thumbup.gif
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Glad you like it. biggrin.gif
Be sure t get a vacuum fit to get the best out of it. smile.gif
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post Nov 28 2014, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Nov 27 2014, 11:10 PM)
For those who already have 1964ears CIEM and the like, any opinion on their new Adel lineup of IEMs?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/104333...-hearing-and-yo
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A second eardrum or diaphragm to relieve our actual eardrums from excess pressure which doesn't contribute to details and sound.

That logic is sound (no pun intended). I notice that at louder volumes my ears experience some sort of "cut-off"...heck it's almost like my ears were clipping. It'll start to happen just before it gets loud enough for me to cringe, and my head has this 'tightness' feeling like my brain is flexing. I listen using IEMs quite softly, usually no more that 20% of available volume. That usually makes bass a little light and details a little shallow, and the only IEM so far that was good at low volumes to me was the Atrio.
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post Apr 10 2016, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(Nareen @ Apr 10 2016, 05:29 PM)
Hi guys, planning to buy JAYS - A-JAYS FIVE or Audio-Technica ATH-IM50 both are with budget and i listen mostly for movies,gaming and music(less frequently and never hard metal).Emphasized on sound quality and build quality.Did a extensive research about both so kind of in a dilemma right now,if there is any other brand better and within the price range, pls do suggest.Thanks in advance.
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The IM50 has more bass, and has a removable cable so it practically lasts a life time unless you damage the earpiece. It is not the most ergonomic of IEMs however, and getting a good fit will be troublesome for smaller ears.

The a-jays 5 is much easier to wear and is practical with the inline remote control, but I just don't hear it as being a movie IEM because it hasn't got the bass kick.

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post Mar 14 2017, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(Kamina51 @ Mar 14 2017, 02:43 PM)
Hey guys. My budget is below 200 for earbuds. I mostly listen to 70% Metal & Rock. 30% Japanese pop.

Please and thank you :0
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Sub RM200 is entry level, so don't expect miracles in this price range, but there are a few that I like. Some people refer IEMs as earbuds, so I might be totally wrong on what you are looking for, but here they are anyway just in case I hit the mark.

Sony MDR-EX450. Or XB50 for more bass, which is good for pop, but for metal if there is little treble those electric guitar distortions don't sound as engaging. I am a basshead, yet for metal a bass-oriented gear is not what I would go for.
Soundmagic E10. Balanced IEM, with a hint of a V-shaped sound signature. Good for metal IMO.
JVC HA-FR202. Well I'm a bit reserved on this one when I tried it out at Jaben. Sort of good enough for RM120, then again it is only RM120. A lot of bass if I remember them correctly, just don't drive them too loud. Sharp edges on the IEM might be uncomfortable for smaller ears, but I find no problems.

I don't try out actual earbuds because they don't fit my ears well. They don't sit well enough in the bowls of my ears to snugly cover my ear holes.

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post Oct 2 2021, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Oct 1 2021, 12:40 PM)
Long time no ask recommendation.

Sifus with experience with both IEM and headphones, generally which of the two is better for bassheads?

I know IEMs have good seal and can give that tight deep bass, but headphones can give me that whole head rumbling feel. Dunno whether IEM can achieve this as I have very limited experience with IEM.

Looking at JVC FW01 btw, so wanted to know more before splurge on this.
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IEMs produce bass better in general. With bass, the "head rumble" you experience with headphones is no different than what IEMs do and is not the function of them actually putting pressure on your head. You can feel that headphones have a "larger" hit because with music bass instruments don't play single tones. What headphones do much better - especially over-ears - are sound staging and imaging, because they allow the sound to interact with your outer ear. Bass in music have harmonics which present themselves in higher frequencies that the headphone can image better. You can compare the bass energy on IEMs and headphones by playing pure sine tones on both. You'll find that they feel exactly the same.

I've only ever owned two "bass kings". The Sony MDR-XB90EX, and the Futuresonics Atrio M5 with the MG7 driver. You can't find them anymore, they're discontinued. I have never owned or tested the JVC FW01, but it would likely have a more balanced sound compared to the Denon you have that is deliberately tuned to be on the bassier side. You could find the treble detail either refreshing or distracting, but I can't imagine them lacking in bass at all.

In any case, if purely for bass you can have them in any form. Good basshead headphones are just as good as basshead IEMs. It's just that getting that bass with IEMs is a lot easier (for manufacturers and for users).

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post Oct 3 2021, 05:43 AM

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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Oct 2 2021, 03:12 PM)
Yeah, this is more to fill in the gap as my M50X leaks a bit of sound (i listen kinda loud) and I worry might bother my colleagues. So not looking to spend huge. Would probably just give it a try since i dont have any IEM at all.
Thanks for the advice!
I never had IEM with strong bass, in fact only ever had 1 IEM so I'm quite curious what are the capabilities of an IEM. I was under the impression that smaller driver would mean more limitations, but from everyone's advice this doesn't seem to be the case. Thanks for the enlightenment!
Thanks for the recommendation. Very new in IEM market so I'm not familiar with the brands, though i have heard good things about KZ. Will do more research. Thanks!
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If you have never heard a proper basshead IEM before something cheap and "disposable" to first dip your feet in could be a good idea. Someone recommended KZ and that's a good start, but be wary that their signature sound is the U-shaped tuning - strong bass presence with a similarly uplifted treble. Some have more aggressive treble than others, like the ZS10 Pro and ZSX (the one I have). KZ ATE and KZ ZST are two safest choices that you could try, each costs less than RM50 and RM70 respectively from the official KZ store in Lazada. If you don't like them sell them off for cheap, or if you do and want an upgrade from it immediately you can save them as backup or also sell them off cheap as well. It's better than spending RM1000 on something you might not like.

I mentioned XB90EX before, but the current "equivalent" might be the XB55AP which I think may be more up your alley depending on how much of a basshead you are. I like its bass but my music preference limits their use for me. If you can find a demo unit at any Sony store you can try it out. Less than RM200 last time I saw them.

 

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