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 Get 40 yrs loan +MLTA at 30, if I'm done at 69?, Regarding MLTA again..

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post Sep 10 2014, 08:28 AM

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As ur loan term is say 40 years. When u died at 71 u already fully settle ur loan. But another good thing about mlta is u will get back wut u have paid for during the 40 years in the event u r still alive in 70 years old.
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post Sep 11 2014, 05:19 PM

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Understand that hla has a very competitive insurance premium but also many hidden clause. So really need to read the journal thick t&c instead of 2 pages of disclosure sheet.

This shall apply to the rest of insurance policy as well.
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post Sep 12 2014, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(onnying88 @ Sep 11 2014, 05:38 PM)
Agree with you, all insurance company will have many hidden clause in insurance policy.

That's why insurance company offer 15 days of free look period for you to study the whole policy. If you found anythings you don't like in the clause, you just cancel the policy and get back your money minus out the medical checking fee (if applicable)

It's part of your responsibility to read up the T&C in every policy you getting, not just depend on insurance agent only. Just like signing S&P, it's our job to read up the T&C before sign and pay anythings. (But i believe many people lazy to do this part)
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Can't be more agreed that we need to go through the T&C by not depending on insurance agent. However how many people can go through every single clause drafted by professionals & fully understand each & every sentences.

Thus there is where insurance agent come in to explain or highlight to us which we shall take note as how many people will sign more than 10 insurance policy. An experienced, an agent should able to fill in this gap.

But again, how many agent will be able to fulfill this role. Even worst for commission & sales they will give promising return (investment link product) without taking up the liability (It's the person own responsibility to go through ALL T&C & not depending on the agent).

Or comparison facts but keep some hidden. Eg. lower premium on medical & life policy but without explaining that in event death happen in less than certain years, only certain percentage will payout.
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post Sep 15 2014, 12:58 PM

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Before sign for any mlta always remember is juz a high payout life insurance. Each agent (eg. hla, ge, etc) will show u their best in terms of etc etc in compare with others but keep some shit hidden.
so if u didn't read through urself like onnying88 mentioned is ur own fault. So u may opt to stop ur premium or blame urself y dun read the dictionary before sign as agent will juz wash hand after taken ur commission. Ps. Not all agent the same. But some have spoiled the market.
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post Sep 15 2014, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(Yamma @ Sep 15 2014, 02:19 PM)
if I bought a house 3 years ago and insured it under MRTA, can I reinsured the house under MLTA now? Will I get anything from the remaining term under MRTA?
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If u didn't plan to sell ur house n ur mrta cover the same period as ur house loan. Y bother to swap to mlta.
but if u plan to sell ur house n wan to buy a new one soon. U can opt to get mlta after tat.
bear in mind. Mlta is juz a high payout life insurance. If u than to buy a say 400k house in near 2 years. U can always buy it now as ur premium increase as per ur age.
again some insurance take a year or so to be effective. So if u buy earlier might have some benefit if u can afford.
Make sure u read all the t&c cos u r to blame should anything happen. We have an agent highlight that to us already.
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post Sep 15 2014, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(onnying88 @ Sep 15 2014, 05:56 PM)
Of cause if the agent close a case by misleading term or over promise, then the agent should be the one to blame. So we all need to do our part and don't 100% believe on the agent's mouth only. Make sure those things that the agent's promise is black and white written in the policy.

A policy can't cheat, if the figure is guaranteed, 100% will be written guaranteed in the policy and vise verse.

No offence, but you sound like been trick by an agent before, can share the story if you don't mind?

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Well, not call trick but can we say is due to professional sales/marketing approach.

Say your guaranteed surrender value MLTA type 2, if we put it in a spread sheet & regenerate your whole return figure. The so called guaranteed return & free MLTA is merely a professional sales approach or marketing campaign.

Break it into 2 parts, investment & protection (insurance). the premium pay & interest generated plus 14 years if lock in period for the guaranteed figure is utterly failed. It even lower than a low risk FD interest rate (this is really guaranteed return with only lost to currency exchange rate & inflation) which we didn't calculated based on compound interest basis.

protection wise, if we buy a life insurance without an investment plan how much will it be per year? after 14 years of compound interest will it be able to cover the sum & further after that how much will it be.

by putting both picture together & we understand that all agents & agency plus the multibillion insurance CEO will not work for free. most of the time we are being show with beautiful promise. but when everything put into a spread sheet & analyze it not as fancy as we are being told. we should understand cash is king, thus liquidity in our cash flow is far more important. so why shall i put all eggs into a nest that will lock me in for 14 years?


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post Sep 16 2014, 07:07 AM

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QUOTE(onnying88 @ Sep 16 2014, 12:46 AM)
Of cause, like I mention the MLTA type 2 with guaranteed return only suitable for those who have spare money and like everything's guaranteed. At least there is some option for them who like guaranteed.

Do you mind work out the spread sheet for us to analyse? Would like to learn more from it too. Just use TS case as example. I'm not sure about others company but the lowest premium for TS case should be rm5719 per year (finance mrta into loan =rm5719/year or MLTA type 3@ rm5719/year. Just assume TS don't have the rm100k to buy mrta with cash). Or you may also use the quotation with others insurance plan that have lower premium that can provide the same coverage of rm1.5mil for 40 years.

Cheers.
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For those who able to understand what I meant remember to do ur own comparison on the return rate. The aboved show that we should really find an agent that will help us instead of trying to sell their product without explaining the pros n cons. This is a good example that some does not even fully understand what they are selling or choose to not knowing the cons n keep on selling some" marvellous" plans to us. The worst still we are paying for their commission n getting the blame should things go wrong as we should understand the plan we bought even better than the professional we paid. Ironic huh.
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post Sep 16 2014, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(ExpZero @ Sep 16 2014, 12:50 PM)
Yes, full sum assured is payable in the above case. That's the reason I'm urging everyone to look into high Non-medical limit MLTA, do not get penalize for something you are not knowing in your health condition. nod.gif

Well, I would like to highlight that making a full declaration of all material facts in the insurance proposal is vital.
Basically the MLTA type 2 is a Whole Life Non-Participating Traditional Policy, it is not possible to separate it into two parts to calculate the IRR and the cost of insurance. However, you are able to compare it with a mere protection MLTA(aka ILP)'s insurance chargers to determine the amount of money in "investment".

Well, you are right, all the products and plans are having their pro and con, you are suitable for the strategy of "Buy Term and Invest the rest" but it may not suitable for the mass market.

Let me explain to you in another form like medical card. The market are having both Standalone medical card together with Investment linked medical card. We all know that both premium is increasing according to age but ILP premium is fixed in a way that to accumulate cash value and hedge for future hike of insurance chargers.

For "Buy Term and invest the rest" people, they would buy Standalone medical card and invest the money themselves. However, this strategic is only suitable for "Buy Term and invest the rest" people and not suitable for mass market because historically has shown standalone medical card's lapse rate is high at older age because people tend not to see the benefit of owning a medical card without claiming it and the feel the tension of "rising premium" from the standalone medical card. In the end, they would just stop paying the premium and it will lapse at the most critical age, ie: age 60 where they need medical card card the most.

However, ILP is very similar with Standalone medical card but it is designed such that it accumulate the cash value on behalf of client to hedge for the increasing of insurance charges at later years. When client reached age 60, he will still continue it as he feels the placebo effect of having saving in his ILP and he might feel the premium getting cheaper and cheaper due to inflation too. With this effort, we are able to prevent a lot of medical card from being lapse.

You might think that the investment return from ILP might not as good as you invest it your own either in stock market or creating a business yourself. It's true but ILP's return ain't that bad, for the past 5 years, our Great Eastern Lion Balanced fund are standing at the rate of CAGR 9%++ which in my opinion isn't that bad afterall.
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Ignoring any financial advisor that doesn't know how to compute a compound interest rate, I am mentioning a MLTA with guaranteed return. The 9%++ is a projection & not guaranteed no? So is like I bought a mutual fund & earning 15% return in past 10 years which can be shown as a projection. A references but not guaranteed.

Life insurance is either you die or alive. I agree with you on medical card which is different product in compare with it which I might claim certain part but then I am not dead yet. So chances is the premium might increase or there will exclusion to what ever sickness I had claimed. Need to highlight that medical cost will raise due to inflation as well. Thus is important to get your agent to review if the policy is sufficient in say a decade. Thus the premium will increase as well so it might not always cheaper. but again insurance, the earlier the person buy the earlier protection a person may get cover & cheaper as well.

 

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