lets mind fucuk


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=08d_1403263794

Leak photo showed US piloted F-22 "shot" down by a Malaysian piloted Mig-29 during the recent Exercise Cope Taufan in Malaysia. The photo showed the F-22 failed to radar jam the Mig and was releasing flares to avoid missile lock-on by the Mig-29, but was later nailed by cannon fire instead.
me donno how legit this is pasla tak terlibat secara lansung ngan Cope Taufan

hahaha

Taiwan's Republic of China Navy (RoCN) began sea trials of an indigenously designed twin-hull missile corvette dubbed a 'carrier killer' on 27 October, according to naval sources as cited by local media.

The 500-tonne vessel, Tuo Jiang (618), is said to have been towed from Lung Teh Shipbuilding's facilities in Yilan county to waters south of Guishan Island, where it conducted engine trials at various speeds.

Tuo Jiang 's wave-piercing catamaran hull form enables it to attain a maximum speed of 38 kt and a standard range of 2,000 n miles. The 60 m by 14 m corvette features a low radar cross-section (RCS) design and can accommodate a crew of 41.

Besides carrying eight Hsiung Feng II (HF-2) and eight ramjet-powered Hsiung Feng III (HF-3) anti-ship missiles, Tuo Jiang is also reported to be armed with an Otobreda 76 mm gun, four 12.7 mm machine guns for close-range ship defence and a Mk 15 Phalanx close-in weapon system (CIWS) to defeat incoming projectiles and hostile aircraft.

Upon completion of its sea trials, the corvette will be fitted with anti-ship missile systems and is expected to be put on a nine-month tactical testing phase by the RoCN. Tuo Jiang is scheduled to enter service in the first half of 2015.

COMMENT
In 2011, the Taiwanese government approved a TWD24.98 billion (USD820 million) budget to acquire up to 12 new missile corvettes under the Ministry of National Defense's (MND's) Hsun Hai (Swift Sea) programme. Hsun Hai was established after legislators argued that the country could not continue to rely on large ships such as the RoCN's Keelung (Kidd)-class destroyers.

The 1970s-era warships, displacing almost 10,000 tonnes at full load, are said to be unsuitable for defending the Taiwan Strait in light of new weapons and swifter naval platforms being acquired by China.

Analysts argue that the move to smaller, faster missile-armed craft would provide Taiwan with an asymmetric edge during a possible invasion by the mainland. In a 2012 paper titled 'Asymmetric Options for Taiwan's Defense' the US Naval War College's Professor William Murray argued that platforms such as the Tuo Jiang class would survive Chinese attacks "by virtue of mobility, redundancy, hardening, deception, and large inventories made possibly by low relative costs".

The HF-3 anti-ship missile, which will equip the Tuo Jiang class, is one such system that, in Murray's words, could "offset much of China's force modernisation by rendering specific classes of PRC ships and aircraft vulnerable". Such capabilities have a number of strategic effects, such as providing a form of deterrence by raising the risk of an invasion, allowing Taiwan to resist such an invasion for longer, and giving the United States time to marshall its forces in support of the island.

Taiwanese sure have a fertile imagination if they think a puny 500 ton corvette has the right to call itself a 'carrier-killer'.

Have they actually seen what the mainland has designed & built in the past 3 years?

If specs are correct, this corvette has almost no AA defence other than CIWS and 76 mm gun. Rely too much in spamming AShM and no SAMs is for me, way near-suicidal. Especially against increasing level of quality and quantity of today's PLA in terms of sea and airpower.

This ship may work against PLA 10 years ago, but probably not that effective for today's PLA. If it's originally designed as a stumbling block, for me today it's no more than a speed bump.

yes, lack of AA defense.  Taiwan mindef just think this ship to sink PLAN Aircraft carrier and destroyer/frigate.
event type 022 FAC also can fight, PLA at lease have 80 unit of 022.
some more future PLA will have at lease 500 unit Attack helicopter.  no worry to take taiwan 500tons vessel down

At TADTE 2013, the Taipei Aerospace & Defense Technology Exhibition, ROC Navy (Republic of China - Taiwan) unveiled for the first time a land-based version of the locally designed and produced Hsiung Feng III (HF-3) supersonic anti-ship cruise missile. The mobile launcher is a 6 wheeled trailer carrying 4 canisters. Each canister can launch one HF-3 missile.

The Hsiung Feng III (standing for "Brave Wind III") is the third in the Hsiung Feng series of anti-ship missiles developed by the Chungshan Institute of Science and Technology (CSIST) in Taiwan. The HF-3 missile uses a ramjet propulsion system, with two boosters for initial acceleration. Production of the ramjet-powered supersonic anti-ship missile began in 2007 and it is already deployed onboard ROC Navy Cheng Kung class and Kang Ding class Frigates.

No official figures have ever been released, however the Hsiung Feng III missile is expected to have a range of 130 Kilometers and is reported to be capable of reaching speeds of Mach 2. It uses inertial navigation to reach its target with terminal guidance with active radar. Its active radar seeker is an evolution of the one fitted in the HF-2 missile. HF-3 is speculated to be fitted with a large warhead capable to inflict major damages to large surface combatant ships with a single hit.

By fitting HF-3 on mobile launchers, Taiwan increases its ability in defending against an amphibious attack. Mobile launchers indeed offer the combined advantage of being harder to detect (hence harder to be destroyed) and offer greater tactical flexibility in case of conflict.

waiting Taiwan to built aegis destroyer loh ..... nothink worry to China .... i also want to see there destroyer look like.

Asking for 1-2 used aegis destroyers from US not an option?

Cost indeed matters, especially when it has become clear that Taiwan cannot afford to engage in a ton-for-ton arms race with the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN). If the sale proceeds as planned, with plans for delivery in 2015, the two decommissioned frigates, which are to be stripped of all weapons and electronics, will cost Taiwan approximately NT$5.6 billion (US$185 million). To put things in perspective, the acquisition of the two empty hulls, which entered service in 1984-85, will cost Taiwan about 1/57th of its entire annual defense budget, and that does not include the millions more that will be necessary to outfit the vessels with electronics, warfare suites, and weapons systems (presumably Hsiung Feng II and III anti-ship missiles, among others).

TAIPEI — Taiwan’s Navy plans to build new destroyers, frigates, corvettes and submarines in a 20-year force modernization program that will replace all the US and French-built warships in the fleet.

Details of the program will be released in November, but Navy officials provided some information about the scope of the massive build plan during the live-fire field training event during the annual Han Kuang exercises off the east coast of Taiwan on Sept. 17.

None of the new ships and submarines will be built by the US. Instead, Taiwan will rely on the combined efforts of its Ocean Industries Research and Development Center for design, the Taiwanese military-run Chungshan Institute of Science and Technology (CSIST) for systems and integration, and the Taiwan-based China Shipbuilding Industry Corp. for construction.

The Navy hopes to finish the design and development stage in five to 10 years, depending on the budget and complexity of each vessel, a Navy official said.

Taiwan will seek Western assistance on various components and systems, but their determination to build the ships in Taiwan remains firm.

Producing them in Taiwan creates jobs and skills, reduces reliance on restrictive US government export policies, and reduces corruption, the Navy official said. US and European defense companies have a history of hiring local agents with ties to organized crime and Beijing’s intelligence apparatus.

This year’s Han Kuang exercise demonstrated a confidence in Taiwan’s Navy to counter China’s growing naval prowess. The exercise, part of the Han Kuang’s joint interdiction phase, included ships and aircraft organized into task groups. Every class of warship participated, from the stealthy Kuang Hua 6 fast-attack missile boat to the Kidd-class destroyers. Aircraft included S-70C helicopters, P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft and F-16 fighter aircraft.

Various drills and operations were carried out based on the exercise scenario, including live firing of an anti-ship rocket, depth charges, ship guns and Phalanx close-in weapon systems. “The [field training exercise] reveals not only the superior combat capability of the new-generation naval and Air Force platforms, but also the great training achievements of men and women involved in the exercise,” a Navy spokesperson said. The exercise tests combat effectiveness in force preservation, high sea maneuver and joint interdiction, he said.

Over the next 20 years, the Navy must replace these systems as they age, and there are no guarantees Taiwan’s reliance on US-made weapon systems will continue as Beijing’s influence on Washington grows. Taiwan’s three classes of frigates — Perry, Knox and La Fayette — and the Kidd-class destroyers, will need to be replaced, Navy officials said during the exercise.

The Navy will introduce the plan to the public in November for local build programs for four 10,000-ton destroyers, 10 to 15 3,000-ton catamaran frigates, amphibious transport docks to replace 11 dock landing ships and tank landing ships, and four-to-eight diesel 1,200-3,000-ton submarines to replace two Dutch-built submarines.

US companies will still be allowed to participate in the supply of many systems, Navy officials said, but reliance on local companies will be the focus. The Indigenous Defense Submarine program is the only possible exception. US and European companies can partner with Taiwan on the program, “if they come in early enough,” a Navy official said. “There will be four subs initially, perhaps eight if the budget is there.”

The local build catamarans will be outfitted with 3D phased-array radar and vertical launch missiles. If the US cannot supply the RIM-161 Standard Missile 3 air defense missile system, the Navy will commission CSIST to build a missile system based on the Tien Kung (Sky Bow) air defense missile system. CSIST also builds the Hsiung Feng (Brave Wind) anti-ship missile family, Tien Chien (Sky Sword) air defense missile family, and the new land-attack cruise missile.

Taiwan’s local build experience already includes eight Perry-class frigates (Cheng Kung-class), 31 170-ton Kuang Hua 6 fast-attack missile boats armed with Hsiung Feng 2 missiles, 11 500-ton Ching Chiang-class missile patrol boats armed with ramjet-powered supersonic Hsiung Feng 3 missiles, and is building 12 600-ton Hsun Hai-class (Sea Swift-class) corvettes also armed with the Hsiung Feng 3.

The Navy’s build program will face hurdles from budget declines in coming years. The military’s finances will be put to the test as it reduces personnel and implements an all-volunteer force.

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Conclusion, taiwan is farked until US carrier group come to help.. even if they decide to

Honestly, I don't see the US as putting much priority in Taiwan anyway. Seems like supporting the Taiwanese seems like a political expediency. helping & protecting SK and particularly Japan looks a better bet for them.

And don't get me started on the Pinoys......