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azriel
post Sep 19 2014, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 19 2014, 09:59 AM)
its more that FTA was forced upon us..
Indon can get 100% ToT, kita dapat 10% ToT, at best..
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The competition for the Indonesian Air Force F-5 replacement is heating up with Eurofighter offering Indonesia their Eurofighter Typhoon with AESA radar in a recent Indonesian's Angkasa Magazine cover & article.

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According to Indonesian Aviation magazine that publish an article of "VERY INTERESTING PACKAGES OF EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON" :
- Transfer of technology to Indonesian aerospace PT. DI to assemble, modification and learn about Typhoon technology.
-  No difference between British version and Export version
-  Allow the Indonesian engineer to learn the Eurofighter engines and AESA radar to applicate in KFX/IFX programme.

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MilitaryMadness
post Sep 19 2014, 10:38 AM

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post Sep 19 2014, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 19 2014, 10:21 AM)
The competition for the Indonesian Air Force F-5 replacement is heating up with Eurofighter offering Indonesia their Eurofighter Typhoon with AESA radar in a recent Indonesian's Angkasa Magazine cover & article.
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see, they offered alot to indon..kita apa dapat? sembang kencang terrer nego, tapi hampeh
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post Sep 19 2014, 11:32 AM

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Cutout of what is inside a Boeing P-8 Poseidon Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 19 2014, 09:59 AM)
its more that FTA was forced upon us..
Indon can get 100% ToT, kita dapat 10% ToT, at best..
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Indonesia already have an established Aviation industry. A 100% ToT on us will be a big waste.
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post Sep 19 2014, 11:44 AM

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A good read from Mzirhan Mahadzir
http://cimsec.org/base-u-s-p-8s-view-malaysia/13047
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post Sep 19 2014, 11:46 AM

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Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF) starts operation of new Maritime Patrol Aircraft

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Kawasaki P-1 Maritime Patrol Aircraft

After decades of conducting maritime patrols using US P-3 Orion patrol aircraft, the JMSDF have welcomed into service the Kawasaki P-1 Maritime Patrol Aircraft. The 4-engined aircraft is 38 meters long with a wingspan of 35 meters and carries 2 flight crew plus up to 11 specialists for maritime patrols. As tensions with the PRC over maritime territory in the East China Sea continue to heat up, the aircraft will bring an added advantage to the JSDF.
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post Sep 19 2014, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 19 2014, 04:51 AM)
park their planes and making our base as theirs are 2 different things altogether...

I'm not against the US having a fully strength military base here, just as long as we are getting something back in return, in terms of military hardware
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Not full base, maybe just a special hanger for them to park. Malaysia wont want to upset china by offering a ful base

We get alot of offers from them just we no money.
Ldp, viper, apache, f18, possible amphibious equipment, patrol ship and aircraft

QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 19 2014, 09:21 AM)
Saab will offer anything to sell their gripen especially new ones.

QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 19 2014, 09:59 AM)
its more that FTA was forced upon us..
Indon can get 100% ToT, kita dapat 10% ToT, at best..
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Because we dont really interested in plane tot as far i know we are not in any active plane development programme. We wanted more for maritime tot and land tot.

I was told by one army official. Most important is navy because we lack of ships. Second is land because our equipment on land are old and outdated. Air force is third because currently they have the latest equipments in term if age.

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 19 2014, 11:46 AM)
Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF) starts operation of new Maritime Patrol Aircraft

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Kawasaki P-1 Maritime Patrol Aircraft

After decades of conducting maritime patrols using US P-3 Orion patrol aircraft, the JMSDF have welcomed into service the Kawasaki P-1 Maritime Patrol Aircraft. The 4-engined aircraft is 38 meters long with a wingspan of 35 meters and carries 2 flight crew plus up to 11 specialists for maritime patrols. As tensions with the PRC over maritime territory in the East China Sea continue to heat up, the aircraft will bring an added advantage to the JSDF.
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Get from japan better since they are willing to sell out their military equipment

But the price tag hampar
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post Sep 19 2014, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 19 2014, 12:29 PM)

Because we dont really interested in plane tot as far i know we are not in any active plane development programme. We wanted more for maritime tot and land tot.

I was told by one army official. Most important is navy because we lack of ships. Second is land because our equipment on land are old and outdated. Air force is third because currently they have the latest equipments in term if age.
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I meant was ToT from all fronts, not just for plane..mana ToT projek NGPV? Last2 ToT projek lain lak..

or ToT is another term for u know what la
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post Sep 19 2014, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 19 2014, 12:31 PM)
Get from japan better since they are willing to sell out their military equipment

But the price tag hampar
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Japan stuff is always gundam level price
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post Sep 19 2014, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Sep 19 2014, 12:44 PM)
Japan stuff is always gundam level price
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No problem if u can afford. Japan is really reliable,you pay for Gundams u can expect to get Gundams.


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post Sep 19 2014, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 19 2014, 12:34 PM)
I meant was ToT from all fronts, not just for plane..mana ToT projek NGPV? Last2 ToT projek lain lak..

or ToT is another term for u know what la
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NGPV got so many problem that the gomen have to step in to bail out.

It was suppose to help our ship building industry especially navy but in end so much problem that even gomen cancelled it.

QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Sep 19 2014, 12:44 PM)
Japan stuff is always gundam level price
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 19 2014, 01:01 PM)
No problem if u can afford. Japan is really reliable,you pay for Gundams u can expect to get Gundams.
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gundam level price but Japan are willing to offer good loan repayment like all their foreign projects laugh.gif

like what he say you pay for gundam, you get gundam, no nonsense attached rolleyes.gif

unlike US,

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post Sep 19 2014, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 19 2014, 02:47 PM)
Prob with rafale and eurofighter and fa18 is they only got 100+km range anti ship missile. Even china anti air missile on 052s 200km range
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SAM in 052C/D is HHQ-9 海红旗9 (not HQ-9)range is 120~150km, no official data, just get different range from many news reported.
SAM chances to hit target(jet) at missile end range is 0%, to hit at 70km is 50% bcos target can run also can avoid. so best effective range to hit target for long range SAM is 30km~80km. (maybe US SM2 can get more longer range)
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post Sep 19 2014, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 19 2014, 05:26 PM)
But u get my idea right, western anti ship missiles all small and low range except maybe rbs15 and jsm
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western version of anti-ship warfare is from ww2, plane or figther will play the primary anti-ship role. The reason for the short range is missiles will be fired in visual range of the fighter or with radar guidance. Falkland war clearly demonstrated that fighter jet still can play a very relevance role in anti-ship mission

western US in particular, they can do this, well because they have plenty of aircraft that can fly around and a huge carrier fleet

eastern block however, lacks the aircraft and carrier to follow this doctrine. Hence, heavy reliance on self guidance or semi-guidance anti-ship missile to do the task plus to replace the lack of aircraft, missile boats is created

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post Sep 19 2014, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(Dreadstar @ Sep 19 2014, 02:25 PM)
Hellfire missile is overated ...


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Still better than Hydra rockets.....of course can't fit current Ataka ATGM inventory for TNI-AD's Hind
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 19 2014, 05:26 PM)
But u get my idea right, western anti ship missiles all small and low range except maybe rbs15 and jsm
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Rafale in process to integrated with Russia ASM missile, so future can use our Kh-31 in rafale if selected ...
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 19 2014, 12:34 PM)
I meant was ToT from all fronts, not just for plane..mana ToT projek NGPV? Last2 ToT projek lain lak..

or ToT is another term for u know what la
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Dat depend on tot term.
On ngpv we get cms, meko100 blue print and know how on building warship.
on sgpv setis cms, smart-s, gowind blue print.
kalau nak lebih bayar or beli banyak.
tapi sometimes we want differ type of tot not related to defense but more to commercial.

masa bidding boustead ada submit inhouse design based on meko tapi yg kena pilih tu gowind class.
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post Sep 19 2014, 08:35 PM

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No, Malaysia Would Never Host a US Spy Base

The notion that Malaysia may offer the U.S. Navy a base for surveillance aircraft is laughable.

By Dzirhan Mahadzir
September 19, 2014

Editor’s Note: This piece originally appeared on the Center for International Maritime Security’s Next War blog, and is reprinted here with CIMSEC’s kind permission.

There’s been a fair amount of reports on U.S. Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Jonathan Greenert’s supposed remarks that Malaysia is offering a base in east Malaysia for U.S. Navy P-8s. Despite the U.S. Navy clarifying his remarks and claiming he’d been quoted out of a context, the “base offer” was too good a story for the U.S. media to pass on. Unfortunately, many of the reports miss the dynamics of how U.S.-Malaysia military cooperation actually works, as anyone familiar with Malaysian security policy would find the notion of Malaysia allowing the United States to regularly stage surveillance missions from its airbases laughable.

The fact is, except under the ambit of the Five Power Defense Arrangement, all of Malaysia’s foreign military cooperation activities must be agreed to on a case-by-case basis. That is, at a minimum, the United States would have to ask for Malaysia’s approval for every deployment. It might be hard for anyone outside of defense circles in Malaysia to accept, but Malaysia’s military cooperation activities are conducted on an ad-hoc basis and often based on opportunities provided by a deployment that takes place close to or in the vicinity of Malaysia.

For instance, last year when the U.S.S. Boxer was transiting through the Malacca Straits with no engagement activity or exercises with Malaysia planned, the United States offered to fly Malaysian military and defense officials via V-22 Ospreys to the ship to see U.S. Marines capabilities onboard and engage in briefings and discussions, an offer which Malaysia accepted. Similarly, in June last year, when the French LPD F.N.S. Tonnerre was on a deployment tour in the region, France put in a request to Malaysia’s Joint Force Headquarters (JFHQ) for an amphibious landing exercise but JFHQ declined, saying it was tied up with the ongoing CARAT 2013 exercise with the United States. It did refer the French to the Malaysian Army Headquarters who could accommodate the request.

These two examples illustrate that Malaysia’s military cooperation activities with other countries are often on an ad-hoc basis, rather than occurring as part of a highly formalized arrangement. As Malaysia wishes to preserve its ambit of neutrality, any activity has to be offered in such a manner so that Malaysia can decide whether to allow it based on its own merits and whether the timing is suitable – for example, requests during Ramadan or the Eid Fitri celebration period are typically denied.

Indeed, at the Asian Naval Warfare Conference in Kuala Lumpur on September 10, which was open to the media although very little media showed up, Vice Adm. Robert Thomas, Commander U.S. 7th Fleet, directly addressed the matter:

“There’s no formal treaty with respect to Malaysia as far as military operations. In fact, we conduct operations with the Malaysian military on a case-by-case basis, when permission is granted. We have a lot of subject matter exchanges including in the maritime patrol reconnaissance aircraft area so we’re doing more and more work in that regard, but that is not a formal policy document that says ‘hey, this is what we’re going to do and this is when we’re going to do it,’ this is really Admiral Kamarul [Vice Admiral Kamarulzaman, Deputy Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) Chief who was the senior RMN officer at the conference] and Robert Thomas saying, ‘hey what about this,’ and ‘can we get diplomatic clearance and permission to go work these exercises and this training.’”

And it’s not as if P-8s, or for that matter P-3 Orions, have not flown in and out of MAF bases in East Malaysia in the past. Check out any Malaysian planespotting forum and you’ll see plenty of evidence, all related to cooperation and exercises between Malaysia and the United States. Part of the reason the United States is keen to have the P-8 Poseidon go to Malaysia is to highlight its capabilities to the Malaysian military given that Malaysia has long had an outstanding requirement for a long-range maritime patrol aircraft, and the P-8 could fit that requirement.

Which raises another point, the ready assumption that anything to do with U.S. surveillance aircraft in East Malaysia has to be in regard to China. The fact is that Malaysia also has concerns about the state of security on the east coast of the state of Sabah in East Malaysia. Indeed, since last year’s incursion by Sulu separatists, the region has also been plagued by cross-border kidnappings by various groups from the Philippines. In that regard, a P-8 or P-3 going to East Malaysia may not necessarily conduct surveillance in an area where China operates. It’s not surprising that when the United States offers a chance for Malaysian personnel to fly aboard and see the P-8’s capabilities, Malaysia would opt to use the familiarization flight to gauge how it performs in an area where the country expects to do the bulk of its maritime surveillance mission.

Still, for some in the media, it makes for a nice story to say that Malaysia is offering the United States a base to stage P-8 flights as an attempt to counterbalance China, partly in response to Chinese maneuvers near East Malaysia and its waters. But the reality is that the Malaysian government hasn’t much changed its position that it can resolve issues with China diplomatically. The New York Times report quoting “a senior Asian diplomat” saying that Malaysia has been in discussion with the United States on such has to be considered in context. There are some Asian countries that might see it as advantageous to draw a wedge between Malaysia and China, and thus might deceive the media for such a purpose. It also illustrates the danger of relying on a single source to determine the truth.

The Malaysian government is very much aware of how stretched the Malaysian Armed Forces are in covering the area in question. Allowing the United States to set up in East Malaysia for the purpose of monitoring China would only provoke the Chinese to step up their activities in the area, further taxing the RMN and RMAF, which makes the move counter-productive, without mentioning the (domestic) political infeasibility. Unfortunately this type of context is seldom visible to those writing from Washington or New York, leading to narratives that are displaced from reality.


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Malaysia doesn't have the military might to take on Singapore, nor the powerful 'friends' that will support Singapore in a confrontation.  laugh.gif
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