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post Sep 17 2014, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(Piap @ Sep 17 2014, 10:43 PM)
So true..we have been friends with china long beyond the ming dynasty..till now they never reequestd set up a base. But why shud we give a place for the p-8 then? whistling.gif
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Malaysia in modern era more of playing a neutral game, we play both sides US & China, especially during Tun Razak era. We got a bit anti-west during Mahathir era,but now reestablished relationship with Obama's US.

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post Sep 17 2014, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(Piap @ Sep 17 2014, 11:01 PM)
But tv news keep on saying "jalinan persahabatan" over and over and over again.
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post Sep 17 2014, 11:36 PM

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if the US wanted to base their aircraft here including jet fighters, at least sell us AESA-equipped F18Fs at harga kawan
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 17 2014, 10:36 PM)
if the US wanted to base their aircraft here including jet fighters, at least sell us AESA-equipped F18Fs at harga kawan
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Sell harga kawan but if later on become like this again no point lor.


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QUOTE(Piap @ Sep 17 2014, 11:41 PM)
Sell harga kawan but if later on become like this again no point lor.

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Amirika also know la madey only talk for political points from local je..last time he can talk like that all the time coz pepol got no other avenue to receive news other than Otosan, BH, RTM and TV3 and no got internet to air their views..so madey tot all pepol agree with what he said...

someone in /k/ did quote me on this and made into his siggy wat
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All newly arrived Leopard 2 for TNI-AD has been repainted with final camo

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 17 2014, 10:25 PM)
The ridiculous irony is that the US have bases all over Asia-Pacific to supposedly control/contain the threat of PRC. Yet at the same time accusing PRC of wanting to control Asia-Pacific.

Who exactly is threatening who, actually?

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There's nothing wrong with protecting your allies and making sure they toe the line (Japan). After all, in this region the aggressor isn't the US. All those bases have been purely for defense of their allies.

QUOTE(Piap @ Sep 17 2014, 10:43 PM)
So true..we have been friends with china long beyond the ming dynasty..till now they never reequestd set up a base. But why shud we give a place for the p-8 then? whistling.gif
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It's been a useless relationship. When Malacca was invaded, where was Ming? Nowhere. Their words and promises were useless. Malacca paid tribute in return for military protection and they didn't do shit. One of their other tributaries invaded Malacca and what did they do? Just send an envoy conveying their anger to that tributary and refused to do anything. When the Portuguese invaded and took Malacca, they didn't do squat to help take it back or give military support. They just took the easy way out and executed the Portuguese that were already in China. Fat lot of good that did for us. All that gold in tribute given in vain. When they were under commie rule or invaded by Japan, we were the ones to send support back to China, not them to us. We were one of the first in the world to recognize their country.

China has the potential to be the new "Japan" that everyone in this region hates. It's inconceivable for one superpower (the US) to invade this region let alone our country and yet everyone knows that's a strong possibility that the other rising superpower will start flexing their muscles as they have already done. Once their aircraft carriers are done and they start projecting power across the sea you'll start seeing more of this. What happens when they go too far? Who will stop them? WWIII won't be started by the Middle Eastern countries or by Russia. It'll happen in this region.
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Indian military extends order of HAL Rudra reconnaisance/light attack helicopter

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After receiving the initial batch of 20 airframes in 2013, the Indian Army is keen to extend the order for the HAL Rudra reconnaissance/light attack helicopter by 76 airframes. The Indian army is reportedly very satisfied with the performance of the initial units.

The Rudra light attack helicopter is developed and constructed locally by HAL (Hindustani Aeronautics Limited) in Bangalore and is derived from the HAL Dhruv light transport helicopter. The Rudra is a weaponized version of the Dhruv and is fitted with an all-weather FLIR and thermal camera system for the ElBit ComPASS optoelectronic suite. The helicopter is unarmored but still retained the capability to carry 10 Special forces or other reconnaissance troops.

The Rudra is armed with a 20mm cannon in a remote turret, 2 pods of 70mm rockets and 4 SRAAM or ATGM missiles.
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QUOTE(red streak @ Sep 18 2014, 09:44 AM)
There's nothing wrong with protecting your allies and making sure they toe the line (Japan). After all, in this region the aggressor isn't the US. All those bases have been purely for defense of their allies.
It's been a useless relationship. When Malacca was invaded, where was Ming? Nowhere. Their words and promises were useless. Malacca paid tribute in return for military protection and they didn't do shit. One of their other tributaries invaded Malacca and what did they do? Just send an envoy conveying their anger to that tributary and refused to do anything. When the Portuguese invaded and took Malacca, they didn't do squat to help take it back or give military support. They just took the easy way out and executed the Portuguese that were already in China. Fat lot of good that did for us. All that gold in tribute given in vain. When they were under commie rule or invaded by Japan, we were the ones to send support back to China, not them to us. We were one of the first in the world to recognize their country.

China has the potential to be the new "Japan" that everyone in this region hates. It's inconceivable for one superpower (the US) to invade this region let alone our country and yet everyone knows that's a strong possibility that the other rising superpower will start flexing their muscles as they have already done. Once their aircraft carriers are done and they start projecting power across the sea you'll start seeing more of this. What happens when they go too far? Who will stop them? WWIII won't be started by the Middle Eastern countries or by Russia. It'll happen in this region.
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Ming did vented their anger when Malacca was invaded and conquered by Portuguese. They jailed and executed all the Portuguese in China and wipe out a portuguese fleet sent to China. But Ming have grown decadent at that time. Plus the growing local rebellion and the threat of Manchu from the north. China was unable to send any help to Malacca.
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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Sep 18 2014, 09:56 AM)
Ming did vented their anger when Malacca was invaded and conquered by Portuguese. They jailed and executed all the Portuguese in China and wipe out a portuguese fleet sent to China. But Ming have grown decadent at that time. Plus the growing local rebellion and the threat of Manchu from the north. China was unable to send any help to Malacca.
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At the end of the day, they did nothing for us. They only wiped out the Portuguese because they were bothering them at home. If anything that gold did more for them than us. I mean, who doesn't like free gold for services not rendered?
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 17 2014, 11:36 PM)
if the US wanted to base their aircraft here including jet fighters, at least sell us AESA-equipped F18Fs at harga kawan
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Y not bundle with f-18sh+e2d+p3 mayb addin some viper as well.
ofcourse harga humble bundle sekali. laugh.gif

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post Sep 18 2014, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(red streak @ Sep 18 2014, 09:57 AM)
At the end of the day, they did nothing for us. They only wiped out the Portuguese because they were bothering them at home. If anything that gold did more for them than us. I mean, who doesn't like free gold for services not rendered?
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To be fair, in most cases the payment of tributes in the form of gold or other treasures is just a token and symbolic gesture. The act of submission and the agreement by a smaller government to accept tributary status from a superpower is far more important. So it's probable we never did send shiploads of gold at the Ming dynasty at any time, probably just small symbolic gifts.

Also, according to Ming emperor policy, a kingdom had to accept tributary status and pay just to trade with China. So we have a weird situation where the Ming Dynasty even had the Byzantine empire and Islamic Umayyad empire in its list of tribute states. blink.gif

So yes, we probably overstated the worth of the Malacca-Ming dynasty relationship.

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Russian Nuclear bombers tracked to 50 miles off US coast

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Tupolev Tu-95 Bear-H

US defense radars tracked two Russian nuclear bombers up to 50 miles off the US coast,near California in early September.

The Tu-95 bombers is believed to conduct maneuvering drills to get into position to a set 'missile box', a position off the coast of the US where according to Russian doctrine, air-launched nuclear missiles is to be launched onto targets in the US mainland.

The US DoD have noticed a significant spike in Russian bomber activity in northern Europe and US western seaboard after the Ukraine crisis and the annexation of Crimea by Russia. In mid-August NATO radars in Europe detected Russian bombers encroaching the airspace its member states up to 16 times in a single week.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 18 2014, 10:09 AM)
Y not bundle with f-18sh+e2d+p3 mayb addin some viper as well.
ofcourse harga humble bundle sekali. laugh.gif
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for that, we might probably have to give up Kuantan for the US 7th Fleet..everyone knows US wanted Kuantan so badly..

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Russian Nuclear bombers tracked to 50 miles off US coast

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Tupolev Tu-95 Bear-H

US defense radars tracked two Russian nuclear bombers up to 50 miles off the US coast,near California in early September.

The Tu-95 bombers is believed to conduct maneuvering drills to get into position to a set 'missile box', a position off the coast of the US where according to Russian doctrine, air-launched nuclear missiles is to be launched onto targets in the US mainland.

The US DoD have noticed a significant spike in Russian bomber activity in northern Europe and US western seaboard after the Ukraine crisis and the annexation of Crimea by Russia. In mid-August NATO radars in Europe detected Russian bombers encroaching the airspace its member states up to 16 times in a single week.
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Ruskies still using them?
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post Sep 18 2014, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 18 2014, 11:39 AM)
Ruskies still using them?
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Very,very long range due to economic turboprop engine, they are very reliable and still useful for missions like marine reconnaissance and long-range flights. In the bomber role the Tu-95 would be probably near-obsolete,though. Anyway, Russia has more capable bombers with greater speed and payload than Tu-95 (Tu-160, Tu-22M) but for peace time reconnaissance missions, Tu-95 are the best plane they have for the job.

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 18 2014, 12:25 PM)
Very,very long range due to economic turboprop engine, they are very reliable and still useful for missions like marine reconnaissance and long-range flights. In the bomber role the Tu-95 would be probably near-obsolete,though. Anyway, Russia has more capable bombers with greater speed and payload than Tu-95 (Tu-160, Tu-22M)  but for peace time reconnaissance missions, Tu-95 are the best plane they have for the job.
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They can still make a good cruise missile platform.
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 18 2014, 11:39 AM)
for that, we might probably have to give up Kuantan for the US 7th Fleet..everyone knows US wanted Kuantan so badly..
Ruskies still using them?
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Latest versions of Tu-95 are relatively new, made in 1990's. Much younger than USAF's B-52.

Tu-95 is praised for its endurance and can make sneak attack from places that we don't expect by launching separate tiny sorties from different directions. Especially if it carries multiple Kh-55SM missile, range 3000km. Far enough to avoid fighter interception and RTB

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 17 2014, 11:36 PM)
if the US wanted to base their aircraft here including jet fighters, at least sell us AESA-equipped F18Fs at harga kawan
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lol... msia stand to benefit more than US to have the planes here... they can easily put them in pinoyland or sg or th...

QUOTE(red streak @ Sep 18 2014, 09:44 AM)
There's nothing wrong with protecting your allies and making sure they toe the line (Japan). After all, in this region the aggressor isn't the US. All those bases have been purely for defense of their allies.
It's been a useless relationship. When Malacca was invaded, where was Ming? Nowhere. Their words and promises were useless. Malacca paid tribute in return for military protection and they didn't do shit. One of their other tributaries invaded Malacca and what did they do? Just send an envoy conveying their anger to that tributary and refused to do anything. When the Portuguese invaded and took Malacca, they didn't do squat to help take it back or give military support. They just took the easy way out and executed the Portuguese that were already in China. Fat lot of good that did for us. All that gold in tribute given in vain. When they were under commie rule or invaded by Japan, we were the ones to send support back to China, not them to us. We were one of the first in the world to recognize their country.

China has the potential to be the new "Japan" that everyone in this region hates. It's inconceivable for one superpower (the US) to invade this region let alone our country and yet everyone knows that's a strong possibility that the other rising superpower will start flexing their muscles as they have already done. Once their aircraft carriers are done and they start projecting power across the sea you'll start seeing more of this. What happens when they go too far? Who will stop them? WWIII won't be started by the Middle Eastern countries or by Russia. It'll happen in this region.
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QUOTE(red streak @ Sep 18 2014, 09:57 AM)
At the end of the day, they did nothing for us. They only wiped out the Portuguese because they were bothering them at home. If anything that gold did more for them than us. I mean, who doesn't like free gold for services not rendered?
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regional aggressor isnt the US? vietiong, kor and pinoy will dispute u..

lol, malacca paid to establish trade links and to prevent from being wipe out... military protection? u read that from ur sejarah text books?

we? lol, not just msians, the whole chinese diaspora sent help back... first to recognize? lol, what if msia dont... what would happen?

well, hate due to brainwash from americans... look at reality, who murdered more ppl in the past decade than the americans? not even the evil ISIS/IS/ISIL can beat them in body count...
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Sep 18 2014, 01:21 PM)
lol... msia stand to benefit more than US to have the planes here... they can easily put them in pinoyland or sg or th...
regional aggressor isnt the US? vietiong, kor and pinoy will dispute u..

lol, malacca paid to establish trade links and to prevent from being wipe out... military protection? u read that from ur sejarah text books?

we? lol, not just msians, the whole chinese diaspora sent help back... first to recognize? lol, what if msia dont... what would happen?

well, hate due to brainwash from americans... look at reality, who murdered more ppl in the past decade than the americans? not even the evil ISIS/IS/ISIL can beat them in body count...
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Right, and those Koreans and Vietnamese will say that China is the savior of the region. rolleyes.gif Pinoys hate the US so much that they're begging for them to reinstate their military bases in their country amirite? whistling.gif The US is what we call a necessary evil. Nobody likes them much but they're all we have to work with. Russia is a bear with no claws. They can barely even afford to keep their own army up to date let alone start another major war. What's the only real threat to the US hegemony? China, and they don't have any clout on the international stage with any of the industrialized nations outside of the BRIC...
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 18 2014, 11:39 AM)
for that, we might probably have to give up Kuantan for the US 7th Fleet..everyone knows US wanted Kuantan so badly..
Ruskies still using them?
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