im so disappoint wif an 'ELITE' member here in LYN!!!!!! our deal was ON and other buyer come again to deal COD n my deal was OFF!!!!!! WTF????? is this hw an elite member acts? well...since its like this i thk no point stating out elite member or senior member or junior member...all dun make sense! as i see most ppl dun really trust junior member...

this case is i jz make a deal wif kucingfight regarding the 2.8c proc...our deal was ON tru sms after some negotiation..n today this 'FXXXER' sms me n told me other ppl offer to COD n he prefer COD...wtf???? if our deal was not ON of cz can la...but nw we'v made our deal n i'v reject other offer...this is the thg tat pissed me off...i lose evrythg...not only the deal wif him but oso deal wif other ppl...

well...the reason he gimme is


well...wats the big deal? act innocent? previously during our deal...he did told me so convincing...
anyway my opinion is tat this FXXXER jz wanna sell off the item to the other buyer...COD...
but is this the responsible tat u show as an elite member? i believe he wouldnt say like this if thr's no other ppl wan to COD wif him...

agree?????

see the quote??? do u thk after convincing wif me to ON the deal wif hw he packs the proc assuring bend pins avoid and nw stating reasons wif 'on the loosing side???????'......WTF???
if u were to thk of ths in the beginning u wouldnt convince me so truly wif 'dun worry' rite?
this the reasons tat u giv after u got another buyer!
if u were worried regarding the bent pins earlier u shd hv stated earlier instead of convincin me to buy..thn we wouldnt hv ON our deal...

well...i jz wanna stated out my disappointment n i hope someone in charge here will take some actions.....thx.....

well, i am trying my best to be on the fence here.

IMO, IF i were kucingfight, i wud feel much more "secured" on COD...reali....sending by post wud be my last option if i cant find anybody to COD wif me....

so, in this case, i think kucinfight is NOT entirely wrong to call off the deal....lets say in the event IF the proc rosak, sure he or u will be on the losing side. Its okla siauann. No money out = none wasted. dats my opinionla. If u dont like it, sorry.

I'd just like to point out that being an Elite member has nothing to do with being a good trader
You can have 1000 good trades and it doesnt get u an Elite tag, it was not meant to show that someone's a good trader in the first place
You cant blame the person or the system if other ppl decide to place more faith in them compared to junior members

{Off topic btw}

This post has been edited by KilJim: Aug 29 2006, 10:58 PM

To be honest, it is his right whether to sell the proc to you or not.
As long as he did not take a single cent from you, he has his own right to do whatever he wants with the proc.
Of course, there are sellers who are willing to be with their words and trade as promised, they are still not in a contract to trade with you yet.
In this case, his reasoning is very sensible and i believe every trader would understand, he feels more secure COD-ing than posting the proc to the buyer.
Just take this as if someone made him a better offer on the negotiating table and you just lose out on the deal. The fact is that they other buyer is able to COD and you're not able to, that puts the other buyer in the drivers seat.
Harsh luck, but you can't really blame the seller, especially using words like that is way too harsh. Peace.

well..i knw hes not 100% wrong...wat i wanna mention out is tat if he really thks tat its not secure for posting in the begining he wouldnt hv convince me so securely regarding the posting thg rite?..actually i was saying i wanna consider his offer 1st...after agreeing on the price he offer (a bit discount) n posting 'thing' thn we ON our deal n tats y i cancel reject other offer for the sake of his deal...
wat i wanna say is tat a good buyer would not cancel a deal tats ON regarding other buyer (any reasons)..but if the deal in stil on process thn we can say its OFF...
i believe he woulnt cancel my deal n will stil stick to postage if thy werent any buyer doin COD...rite? i jz wanna state out some irresponsibility here....

well...i knw nthg to do wif elite member but this definitely shows some bad reputation as an elite member..not to mention on the trader sides...
well...mayb i say smthg like this regarding elite member offend u (regarding ur an elite also) BUT i dun mean to offend...im jz stating some point of view here...

i knw he doent take a single cent frm me...but jz because of this deal i lose other offer....im not blaming him for 100% wrong...wat i wanted to state out is some dissatisfaction....
well..if he feels more secure in COD he would hv stated tat earlier b4 any deal made...
actually i would hv make the deals today but due to his reasons stating he only be able to do postage on friday......
well..like u say if other ppl make better offer....if rely on this matter thn any trades doesnt need any comfirmation rite? its jz like doin bulks seller need deposit to prevent ffk....n for some simple trades...comformation needed to prevent ffk.....

i disagree with the both of you.

i'm on siauann's side on this case. simply because you don't CANCEL off an agreed deal just like that.

it would be better if kucingfight had earlier notified siauann, a simple message would do -

hi bro..mm..how do I start. Ok, ya i know we have got a deal, but after thinking over, let's say the pins were bent during shipping, obviously i will be on the loosing side rite?
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if it's alright with you i'd like to call-off our deal as i find i'll better off with COD than shipping a CPU rite? I don wan 2 take any risks. If it was a VGA, RAM, etc, i don mind shipping it. but i really hope u'll understand my position, so are you ok with it?

at least with siauann's acknowledgement that it's ok to cancel. i'm sure siauann isn't that an unreasonable person.

it was a last minute thought but the cancellation should be done in a less abrupt manner - not something done at the last minute.

This post has been edited by goldfries: Aug 30 2006, 12:11 AM

Yeah, i agreed with what goldfries said here...
Furthermore, the seller has already convinced siauann that he'll packed the processor in "an empty amd cpu shield with foam"
Isn't that convincing?

Sigh...
A promise is a promise...

Don't tear it off...

Knew this was coming.

Anyways, here's my side of story.

Yes i do admit i've did some mistakes here:

1) Calling off the deal
2) Not stating that COD preffered.

Before hand, i've sent him several messages explaining that about the risk of shipping. Yes, i was wrong for calling off to the deal we had earlier, but after thinking that shipping might be a risk, i did explain everything clearly to him. Obviously, if the cpu pins were to be bent, i'll be on the loosing side, he would definitely demand for cash return. In order to avoid that, i've explain my side of story and apologising, hoping he would understand, as it will definitely all comes back to me if there is damaged done.

But i feel i did the right thing to avoid predictive problems, however, even many explanations could not convinced mr siauann. Yes, i may be on the wrong side here, but i felt it was good move to avoid any future misunderstandings.

@ Siauann,
I believed you could be more civilised in your words. I don remember my teachers said cursing was a good thing to do.

And if you wanna scrutinize every single detail out from it, talk is talk, we've only reached an agreement, and not the actual dealing itself as no cash is passed through yet.

This post has been edited by kucingfight: Aug 30 2006, 08:44 AM

And remember, that cpu plastic shield with foam is meant for an AMD Proc . It wasnt meant for an Intel.

Anyways, there's always risk there. Put ourselves in the worst senario that the pins would be damaged during shipping. Even then, if you really insist on this deal, sure we can carry on, but i wont be responsible should the CPU damage when it reaches ur hands.

what he did wasn't wrong in the way that he didn't take any money from u or made u wait like 1-2 hours standing in the middle of no where...
but ethically, he is wrong for cancelling the deal with u...
of course u can't blame him if he gives COD priority cause its safer to deal for both sides...
but, he still is wrong and a punishment would be to remove his safe trader tag is appropriate....

*I've dealt with kuchingfight before and had no problems what so ever.. he even made his time suit mine..
its a waste his rep rosak cause of this...

i am here not to siding anyone but i strongly agree on "A Promise Is A Promise" phrase by sHawTY, and i adhere that for my every single transactions, be it in lyn or other places. If both parties had come to an agreement on the deal, be it verbally or black & white, for me that is consider a promise, breaking promise means FFK to me. Pls dun feel offended but that is one of my principles. Cheers~

My humble opinion:

a promise is a promise end of story....

maybe kucingfight got a better offer at the last minute, like someone offering him a higher moolah for the processor (who knows)

either way, IF the processor got damaged during shipment, kucingfight wouldn't be on the loosing end, but siauann coz he agrees for shipment in the first place so that shouldnt be used as an excuse...

well, the seller sort of admit that he was sort of wrong. So, what does the potential buyer want now? apology? revoke seller account? MO list? Free mouse?

Meh , kucing was a good seller. Bought my rams from him.

BUT, i believe the "contract" is on since both agree and the buying and selling terms. So, it is just plain rude/unethical to cancel the deal like that.

siauann, hope you can get your processor soon

i guess u didn't quite understand there. Definitely, like anyone, if the CPU reaches the other party, would u think he/she won't be asking for any refunds? only fools will think that way. And also, we didn't reach an agreement that i won't be responsible should anything happen during shipping

Alrite then, guess everything is said here.

Ok, then , we could stil proceed with the sales, but siauann, i won't bear any responsibilities should anything happens during shipping.. agree? If you agree, then we carry it on. Of course i'll pack it properly.

ok....case solved.... tag been removed..... close thread

Man, u sounded as if u wanted me bad to have the tag removed. Grow up, i don mind loosing that tag, i've laid every single reasons and explanations clearly.\

Whoa.... If this is the case, a promise is a promise then i'm sure there are many other threads here. Owner can do whatever they wanted as long as no cash involved yet. As i'm concerned, as a buyer you'll prepare to lose your priority in any circumstances unless your deposit or quick cash secure your place. Take it easy...

Sorry to bardge in.....

But online trading are based on trust....
If you said its ON, then its ON....
I know no money involved yet....

But a promise is a promise....
Do u like it when your boss says will promote and increase your salary but then never do it?

No offence.....just mi 2cents

Needle doesnt picked your flesh, u wont feel the pain.

Man, the point of argument is tat, I don wanna risk the CPU as things might happen during Shipping...that's all, if he would bear the responsibilities, deal goes through. I've told him the promise is kept, but would he bear the responsibilities?

I've knew many cases when things didn't reach the other party in the right condition. There went the fingers pointing here n there. Get the point?

Put it this way, buyer receives the CPU with bent pins, and even after straighting them, but some pins broke or it went faulty. Who's the finger to be pointed? Buyer will request for full refund, seller ends up with the dead CPU. Get the point?

This post has been edited by kucingfight: Aug 30 2006, 10:42 AM

I said this because i've gone through it several times. So it's fine for me to get FFK nowadays

and how about a warning to yourself for spamming?

i'd like to remind you(and the rest who are posting on this thread) that

3. Do not post unless you have something useful to contribute. Ranting is not useful contribution.

personally, i don't think that he deserves to be stripped of his safe-trader tag as he did not cheat. i don't see a person being all bad just because of 1 not-so-appropriate move.

Well....seller are supposed to bear the responsibility for damaged shipping...
Thats why seller should more careful when packing it...

How about i suggest u pack it more carefully and the buyer agree to pay more for shipping cost?

Uhm...he wasnt a safe trader....

he isn't a safe trader now, but he WAS.

the tag being removed.

kucingfight, maybe u should have the disclaimer, 'I reserve the right to cancel the sale to a buyer should I find a more acceptable deal.' That should limit any problems in the near future. Though, probably limit the number of buyers willing to deal in that manner too.

............
To kucingfight and siauann...

Now, it depend on you two either to stick with the deal or just forgive and forget...
No use arguing here anymore...

Just get in either this two option:
1) Stick with the deal [seller won't be responsible if something happens to the processor]

2) Forgive, and foget [This is a better way]

Let's stop all this arguement aite everyone?
Just let those two people solve their problem personally...

Better that way...

Peace everyone!!!
Just giving out my own opinion, that's all...

Nah, i wasnt offended or anything
Just thought i'd clear the Elite tag thing since u seem to have the wrong impression on what it's for

Meanwhile, let's wait for siauann's reply since kucing has offered to go through with the deal?
Anything else would be spamming as there's already a solution provided

Uhm....Altough that does lessen some problems..
But thats not a good ethique....

Eg....if already promised to sell to someone but another guy offer higher after that, i'd be tempted to sell to the higher priced one..
But thats not good rite?

Btw...this quote are not allowed to be used in www.lelong.com.my by bidding style..
Maybe its not suitable for LYN here..

it's a tough luck for kuchingfight....

if he can get a permission from the buyer, siauann
explains to him the situation, emphasize that the proc pin might bent and the losing is onto the seller. c whether he agree to call off the deal...

if he's insist then no choice, sell the proc to siauann...

Exactly, i do not want to hold the responsibilities during shipping. I've explained to him many times and yet he doesn't seem reasonable enough. If he insisted and agrees to take responsibilities, i'm more than happy to release it.

Maybe i should have stated COD only, anyways it's history

yap, i'm waiting from his side. But don expect me to take responsibilities if something goes wrong with the pysical condition of the CPU.

This post has been edited by kucingfight: Aug 30 2006, 12:36 PM

Seriously, i do not know what problems you have. My past dealing histories had proven me the kind of attitude i have.

Anyways, it's just a tag, if it seems i'm not entitled to have the tag, by all means do remove it. I don hav a problem with it.


TO all trouble adders/blur cases, the main reason we are having this argument is becoz of the responsibilities on the shipping issue. And it's not because i've called the deal off for other reasons.

This post has been edited by kucingfight: Aug 30 2006, 12:38 PM

Lolz.....whats the smokes for?
I saw your not a safe trader tag...
Your past history has nothing to do with me...
What i see is what i see....

Im just wondering why goldfries said like that coz at that time your tag was no longer there...and the buyer only said your ELITE member....maybe i didnt see he said u were safe trader too

OK OK stop the flaming ya. Let siauann decide on what to do next. Keep on posting unnecessary opinions doesn't help in decision making here as well.

As for sellers, remember to put disclaimer if buyer insist on posting. I normally put disclaimer that I won't be responsible for any damages done after the package left my hand. Prefer COD, safer for both parties unless buyer wanna bear the risk of shipping.

So far I've sent a few things with nice packing, ends up good at buyer's hand. But there's once I sent an MMC to buyer, the MMC broken into half. Go figure, pos Malaysia employ elephants to do the job.

Dont forget to take a pic of the item from all sides before packing it... so there is no claim of the buyer saying u sold him a busted item.

This issue is settled - kucingfight has admitted his mistakes, we have removed the safe trader tag as a consequence. The Elite tag remains since it was given based on his contributions to the forums.

well...like wat i'v said i create this thread jz to state my dissatisfaction....like some other forumer says like im wanting anythg happen...i dun mean tat...this is jz a case of stating thgs clearly...

@kucingfight
since u'v OFF our deal thr's no point giving me priority again..
anyway im jz wishing u good luck in ur COD.....
mayb be im the 'unlucki' one in this deal...