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leoric
post Nov 4 2014, 11:59 AM

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Hello all the sifu notworthy.gif
New user to the FSM..
Few years ago done some investment on UT, had sold all off during 2011, all went through with the UT agent..

Will start my first investment with the PRS then only build my UT profile...
Took one week to finish all the post in V1 & V2, still a long way to go before I able to digest until V7..
leoric
post Nov 4 2014, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 4 2014, 12:04 PM)
"The most important advice I would give to anyone who hasn't started (be it man or woman) and is being held back is to starting investing now, but use a small amount.
Something you are comfortable with even if you suffer losses. It can be as little as one thousand dollars because that is usually all you need to start investing into a unit trust. Then, as you invest, you will see how markets and such affect your returns and you will be able to learn from your experiences without suffering too much heartache compared to if you placed your entire life savings into the market and lose half of it in a market crash.
The key thing is you have to accumulate investing experience. No amount of prior reading up and accumulating of knowledge can compare with actual investing experience which can only be built up by using your own money to invest. You have to experience the emotional pull that comes from market ups and downs and learn how to handle your emotions during those times. And learning from mistakes made is the greatest teacher".
(extracted from Sui Jau's blog)
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Wow, my first lesson thumbup.gif
leoric
post Nov 4 2014, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 4 2014, 12:15 PM)
hmm.gif 2nd lesson,...maybe...do consider the Sales charges...some are lower than others and also have more global choices.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 4 2014, 12:25 PM)
ESPECIALLY in taming your inner fear & greed (no amount of knowledge will help).
EQ not just IQ
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Thanks for the advice..
Will buy the Kenanga OnePRS growth fund for the PRS...
Then, will start to build my first fund portfolio..
leoric
post Nov 4 2014, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Nov 4 2014, 06:57 PM)
why PRS ? it's quite risky if u are young.. No volatility.. withdrawal before retirement tax 8%
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This is extra cash for me, which I purposely want to invest for more than 10 years... Also, tax deduction is one of the purpose.. one stone shoot 2 bird.. tongue.gif
hopefully until the time when I retired, then only I need to take out this cash... biggrin.gif

I already have reserved the emergency cash in the FD and some little cash to invest with unit trust..
This is what we called diversity, right? or this is not the right way to manage?

Actually i am not that young, already break 30.. biggrin.gif


leoric
post Nov 4 2014, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 4 2014, 08:48 PM)
PRS cannot be considered as investment.

If you want to group strictly, PRS acts like your EPF. It's part of your retirement planning.
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yaya, you are right, that is one of my retirement planning...
leoric
post Nov 11 2014, 05:00 PM

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Helloo all shifus, just got my FSM account activated...
Thinking to start my investment learning with 2 options (together with PRS):

PRS: AFFIN HWANG PRS GROWTH FUND - 3k
Equity: KENANGA GROWTH FUND - 1k
Equity: EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS ASIA PACIFIC EQUITY MY FUND - 1k
Fixed Income: AMCONSERVATIVE - 1k

or 2nd option:

PRS: KENANGA ONEPRS GROWTH FUND - 3k
Equity: AFFIN HWANG SELECT OPPORTUNITY FUND - 3k
Equity: EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS ASIA PACIFIC EQUITY MY FUND - 3k
Fixed Income: AMCONSERVATIVE - 3k

for starting, will topup rm100 for each fund..
the reason I put 2 option is because I notice the annual management fee for kenanga oneprs is lower than affin hwang...
Is the annual management fee really matter for PRS?

Do you think the above funds are good to start?

leoric
post Nov 12 2014, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 11 2014, 05:41 PM)
hmm.gif just asking....is it ok to have the 3 other funds all from the same fund house?
ex...HSOF, HSAQ, HBond ...or Kenanga Growth Fund, kenanga Asia Pac total return fund, Kenanga bond..or Eastspring My Focus, Eastpring Asia Pac target return, eastspring bond?.....why i ask is that...the SC for switch between funds would be lesser or none in future?
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Is there any risk to have all fund under the same fund house?
With this setup, I still can switch to other fund type, as long as it is under same fund house, then there will be no service charge, right?
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post Nov 12 2014, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 12 2014, 12:51 PM)
a bit OFF topic...
i created a PIE chart using excel...
when ever i change some figures in the cell,.....the % number in the cell changed.....thus the shape/size of the pie (which is linked to this % also changed)...this is what i expected it to happens......BUT the data label does not change.....why? did i missed anything?..
ex...if i changed the figures.....A is now 20%, B is now 30% C is now 50%...then shape / size of the 3 pies follows the relative sizes...BUT the data labels that points to these 3 pies does not.
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Which excel version you using?
I just tried with excel 2013, it is able to auto update the data label
leoric
post Nov 12 2014, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 12 2014, 10:30 AM)
hmm.gif yes...bigger risks than spreading over 3 FHs tongue.gif
but also bigger rewards if just this FH did have a good insight... tongue.gif
hmm.gif look for the FH that has consistent fund awards that has the 3 funds you wanted?, look at their fund lipper rating?
just dun forget to look at their fund objective, mandate and risk ratings to see whether they are suitable to you.

A switch to another fund within the same fund manager = intra switch in FSM
for more info....
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/faq.svdo?id=8922#4
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Thanks for advice.. notworthy.gif
I still prefer to spread the risk to different fund house smile.gif
I had checked the fund objective, risk rating, the recommended fund & port folio in FSM, also some recommended funds from the sifu over here... then only decide which fund i should go for..
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post Nov 12 2014, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 12 2014, 01:15 PM)
i attached the file.
try to change the data in "YELLOW" cells...
others should be auto.
the figures in column "j" changed...the sizes of the pies changed...but the data label does not.

i used 2003 versionĀ  blush.gif ...old man use old things
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Try to use this one..
Your data label is fixed value, I remove it & re-create again.

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forget to upload the file ><
reupload again

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post Nov 12 2014, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 12 2014, 01:26 PM)
rclxms.gif  ok..noted..
sorry forgive me for nagging again...(just want to "act" smart and wise)
words from the blog of Wong Sui Jau again...
"The most important advice I would give to anyone who hasn't started (be it man or woman) and is being held back is to starting investing now, but use a small amount. Something you are comfortable with even if you suffer losses. It can be as little as one thousand dollars because that is usually all you need to start investing into a unit trust. Then, as you invest, you will see how markets and such affect your returns and you will be able to learn from your experiences without suffering too much heartache compared to if you placed your entire life savings into the market and lose half of it in a market crash. The key thing is you have to accumulate investing experience. No amount of prior reading up and accumulating of knowledge can compare with actual investing experience which can only be built up by using your own money to invest. You have to experience the emotional pull that comes from market ups and downs and learn how to handle your emotions during those times. And learning from mistakes made is the greatest teacher".
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haha, no worries, this is good for the newbie like me, especially when I am not from any finance background...
All these keywords are alien to me...
leoric
post Nov 12 2014, 06:26 PM

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Guys, I notice you have mentioned about the "Ponzi" fund in previous posts, is it something like the ponzi scheme?
leoric
post Dec 5 2014, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(howszat @ Dec 4 2014, 10:48 PM)
A common saying: buy low, sell high.

Question: Now that its dropped a lot, what would you do?

A. Panic, sell now
B. Wait, and panic if dropping further
C. Buying opportunity, buy now
D. Wait, and buy if stopped dropping
E. Continue regular/formula investments (DCA, VCA etc), no change
F. Wait and see what the Technicals say
G. Wait and see that the Fundamentals say
H. Sell your overseas funds

Me?  C, G and maybe H (yes, you can choose more than 1)
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Will go for C, don't care about high or low price...

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