Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Bump Topic Topic Closed RSS Feed
24 Pages « < 3 4 5 6 7 > » Bottom

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 Fundsupermart.com v7, DIY unit trust investing

views
     
SUSPink Spider
post Sep 22 2014, 02:23 PM

Formerly known as Prince_Hamsap
********
Senior Member
16,872 posts

Joined: Jun 2011


QUOTE(felixmask @ Sep 22 2014, 02:23 PM)
Any PRS CIMB fund to recommend?
*

I didn't study any PRS fund

SUSPink Spider
post Sep 22 2014, 03:11 PM

Formerly known as Prince_Hamsap
********
Senior Member
16,872 posts

Joined: Jun 2011


QUOTE(joequah1 @ Sep 22 2014, 03:05 PM)
I believe in diversified portfolio. Moving towards that direction, that's why looking at Asia Pacific that @xuzen recommend in previous post. 

When you are saying Kenanga Growth, AMB Dividend Trust are similar, so means I should focus on either one rather than in both right?
*
Yes. U don't need more than one Malaysian equity fund that focuses mainly on larger caps.

But if let's say u select Kenanga Growth/AMB Dividen Trust + Hwang Select Asia Quantum/Eastspring Small Cap, then it's okay, cos Quantum and Eastspring Small Cap is investing in small/mid caps.
SUSPink Spider
post Sep 22 2014, 05:30 PM

Formerly known as Prince_Hamsap
********
Senior Member
16,872 posts

Joined: Jun 2011


QUOTE(jkl1980 @ Sep 22 2014, 05:26 PM)
All Sifu,

First of all, pardon me for my knowledge on UT investment, as I'm just started to do some research now,
As I search/compare the UT using iMoney , It showed such a great profit (refer to attachment below)
Can anyone tell me how is that work ? I invest 20k and got almost 30k back after 1year ? Thats look too good to be real.
I understand the risk is very high, that I might lose money as well.

But I just dun understand how it actually come out with this figure.
*
First, go Google or ask Wikipedia, "what is unit trust?"

UT is an investment, NOT a deposit. Investment can go + or -, there is no certainty that past performance can be replicated in the future.

What is UT? To put it simply, the UT manager takes your money and invest in stocks of listed companies.

Please do not assume that UT=guaranteed profit, u don't go jumping around and scream "scam!" if a fund that used to deliver +20%++ returns kaboom and plunge -30% after u buy in tongue.gif

And this iMoney calculation will mislead newbie investors shakehead.gif

Ok, as for the calculation...

U invest RM20,000
2% sales charge
So u will only get RM20,000 / 1.02 = RM19,607.84 actually invested, the difference is used to pay the sales charge i.e. commission
Take Kenanga Growth, past 1-yr return is +29.96%
So, RM19,607.84 x 1.2996 = RM25,482.35

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Sep 22 2014, 05:39 PM
SUSPink Spider
post Sep 22 2014, 05:44 PM

Formerly known as Prince_Hamsap
********
Senior Member
16,872 posts

Joined: Jun 2011


QUOTE(jkl1980 @ Sep 22 2014, 05:40 PM)
Ya, I understand the basic of the UT , what is it and how does it work.
And I understand oso it could be - / + if I invest my money in.

But is it real that in the past this UT (as shown in my previous attachment) has perform that well ? ~49% in return for one year ?
*
Yes, it's real.

Past 1 year has been VERY generous to Malaysian equity investors, some small cap/speculative stocks have been flying

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Sep 22 2014, 05:49 PM
SUSPink Spider
post Sep 23 2014, 09:51 AM

Formerly known as Prince_Hamsap
********
Senior Member
16,872 posts

Joined: Jun 2011


QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 22 2014, 06:04 PM)
just wait for the local equity market crash, then u can see how the UT perform. Last time I could remember some forummer said he/she lost some 36% in UT
*

I lost about 25% during 2010/2011 tongue.gif
SUSPink Spider
post Sep 23 2014, 09:53 AM

Formerly known as Prince_Hamsap
********
Senior Member
16,872 posts

Joined: Jun 2011


QUOTE(woonsc @ Sep 23 2014, 09:51 AM)
haha did u top up more then?
*
That time I noob...I cabut, sold everything blush.gif
SUSPink Spider
post Sep 23 2014, 02:12 PM

Formerly known as Prince_Hamsap
********
Senior Member
16,872 posts

Joined: Jun 2011


QUOTE(jack2 @ Sep 23 2014, 02:12 PM)
anyone knows how fast the money can be credited after sales?
*
T+2
SUSPink Spider
post Sep 23 2014, 03:42 PM

Formerly known as Prince_Hamsap
********
Senior Member
16,872 posts

Joined: Jun 2011


QUOTE(techie.opinion @ Sep 23 2014, 03:40 PM)
Hahahaha, if it happen again near future. Would you do the same? Sell all again?  nod.gif
*
No. Keep invested and/or top up some more biggrin.gif
SUSPink Spider
post Sep 23 2014, 03:47 PM

Formerly known as Prince_Hamsap
********
Senior Member
16,872 posts

Joined: Jun 2011


QUOTE(em0kia @ Sep 23 2014, 03:46 PM)
read the first post but understand nothing about the misconception part. But still insist to try try UT. what do you guys think?
*
What is it that u don't understand? laugh.gif
SUSPink Spider
post Sep 23 2014, 04:32 PM

Formerly known as Prince_Hamsap
********
Senior Member
16,872 posts

Joined: Jun 2011


QUOTE(em0kia @ Sep 23 2014, 04:20 PM)
Thank you so much sifu  laugh.gif
Well, i am still very new in this and i believe most of the questions below will surely laugh die you guys  sweat.gif \

The rest of the misconception are beyond my understanding so I need sometime to digest it first.

Once again,
Thank you so much bro Pink spider!!  notworthy.gif
*
NAV stands for "Net Asset Value", this term is used interchangeably with unit price.

Q1. NAV pricing and processing time
"you will purchase units based on NAV pricing of that day. However, NAV pricing for most funds will only be published by the Fund House after 5PM on the next working day"

May I know why is the publishing time is so slow (outdated)? Why cant it announces the price everytime it changes?
- Taikor...a UT fund could be holding 30-100 different stocks...stock prices changes every second from 9AM to 5AM during a trading day...u want the UT manager to update every second and post online for u see meh? And some funds hold foreign company stocks...as at 5PM today, US markets also haven't even open, not to say close, how to update? sweat.gif

"On T+4, your order will be incorporated into your holdings summary, purchase order is therefore fully completed."

Lets say if the NAV increases by 10% after the 4 days, will i receive lesser units from my purchase? Or the purchase is based on the first day NAV?
- T+4 is only the processing delay for the units to be shown in your holdings summary...your order will be priced on T=Transaction Day

Q2. The NAV price of the fund that I'm interested in is quite high now, should I stay away? Investment gurus always say "buy low, sell high"...

- Fund ABC issues 1 million units at Initial Offer Price of RM1.00 per unit.
- As such, at Day 1, NAV of ABC is 1 million units x RM1.00 = RM1 million. NAV price is RM1.00.
- After the end of the Initial Offer Period, ABC starts to operate, it starts to invest.
- Let's say ABC bought RM200,000 worth of Maybank shares, RM300,000 of Dutch Lady shares and RM500,000 of BAT shares.
- Let's say after 1 month,

Market value of holdings"Maybank RM180,000
Dutch Lady RM360,000
Guinness Anchor RM400,000
BAT shares were sold off during the month"

Pardon me, but why is there suddenly RM400 000 from Guinness Anchor appearing? Fund ABC only bought maybank, dutch lady and BAT right?
- This is only a sample scenario...in this scenario, the fund first bought Maybank, DLADY and BAT. But have subsequently sold off BAT and bought Guinness Anchor. Open your eyes big big mad.gif

And why is BAT giving RM50000 dividend all of a sudden?
- Aiyoyoyoyo...as above, this is only a sample scenario to illustrate my points. Listed companies distributes dividends every now and then. U wanna know why? Call Directors of BAT and ask them! laugh.gif

Why is NAV price per unit: RM940,000 / 1 million units and not RM990000/1million units?
- Aiks...ini typo error! Thanks for pointing out blush.gif

Q3 Topping up my holdings after dividend distribution pulls down my cost per unit, lower cost = higher profit.
"You hold 100 units at RM1.00 each. RM1.00 x 100 = RM100
Let's say you get 10 units extra from distribution"

I am confused. rclxub.gif I thought we gain profit from UT through unit price increment and not units increment?
- This...to explain, involves quite complicated maths rclxub.gif
Just remember this:
"After distribution, you get more units, and your unit cost will go down. BUT AT THE SAME TIME the value per unit i.e. NAV price also comes down"


This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Sep 23 2014, 04:42 PM
SUSPink Spider
post Sep 23 2014, 09:14 PM

Formerly known as Prince_Hamsap
********
Senior Member
16,872 posts

Joined: Jun 2011


QUOTE(em0kia @ Sep 23 2014, 06:27 PM)
Okay, so for Q3, distribution can actually be categorized into two types: Unit increment and unit price increament.
Unit increment is like:
Before distribution: 1000 units x RM1/unit = RM1000
After distribution: 2000 units x RM0.5/unit = RM1000
So even though the total amount is still the same, but we gain more units.

But if its like this, then is this distribution consider an income? I dont see any earning from here  hmm.gif
*
In UT, distribution =/= income

QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 23 2014, 07:35 PM)
Yes, and no. The correct term is "Income Distribution".

Yes, there is a income distribution if you elected to have the distribution as 'cash'.

No, there is no income distribution if you elected to have the distribution 'reinvested' (and the fund company converts the income distribution into more units.)

The 2nd option, you will get more units.  But with unit price adjusted accordingly, you will still have the same amount in ringgit before and after the distribution date.

BTW. The above example is a bit extreme, no fund would declare 50%. It is more like RM1/unit going up to about 1.100/unit, with 8-9% declared as distribution, and then the price drops back down to about RM1.
*
^
+100 thumbup.gif
SUSPink Spider
post Sep 25 2014, 03:07 PM

Formerly known as Prince_Hamsap
********
Senior Member
16,872 posts

Joined: Jun 2011


QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Sep 25 2014, 03:06 PM)
What the hell happened to Eastsprings Small Cap fund??? I just checked and found a 50% loss!  vmad.gif
*
Unit split lar laugh.gif

Wait for them to credit the split/bonus units icon_rolleyes.gif
SUSPink Spider
post Sep 25 2014, 04:04 PM

Formerly known as Prince_Hamsap
********
Senior Member
16,872 posts

Joined: Jun 2011


QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 25 2014, 03:29 PM)
I bet they also gave you a massive hard-on right? 0.67 now... show hand all into it eh? Mr Roullette Playar!

Xuzen
*
Unit split and distribution units = angpow

I just LOL-ed laugh.gif
SUSPink Spider
post Sep 25 2014, 04:27 PM

Formerly known as Prince_Hamsap
********
Senior Member
16,872 posts

Joined: Jun 2011


QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 25 2014, 04:19 PM)
Did you missed that daily movement (that difference between 0.6896 and 0.6916) as BONUS joke?
*
doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

Itu pusseh main Roulette taktau even with distribution, from cum-date to ex-date, 1 day, fund TOTAL NAV will still change yawn.gif
SUSPink Spider
post Sep 25 2014, 04:28 PM

Formerly known as Prince_Hamsap
********
Senior Member
16,872 posts

Joined: Jun 2011


QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Sep 25 2014, 04:20 PM)
How does this unit split work and how does it benefit us? Can someone explain?
*
Previously u have a whole mooncake worth RM20

Now u have 2 halves of a mooncake (RM10 + RM10)

Still, u have one mooncake

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Sep 25 2014, 04:28 PM
SUSPink Spider
post Sep 25 2014, 04:32 PM

Formerly known as Prince_Hamsap
********
Senior Member
16,872 posts

Joined: Jun 2011


QUOTE(zDarkForceSz @ Sep 25 2014, 04:28 PM)
And benefit new investor, so their RM1000.00 can get more units compared to original price of 1.3792(before split).
*
Is this sarcasm or u serious about this "benefit"?
SUSPink Spider
post Sep 25 2014, 04:34 PM

Formerly known as Prince_Hamsap
********
Senior Member
16,872 posts

Joined: Jun 2011


QUOTE(zDarkForceSz @ Sep 25 2014, 04:33 PM)
brows.gif since you know what I'm talking about. Muahahaha
We're like in the fun fare today.
*
user posted image

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Sep 25 2014, 04:36 PM
SUSPink Spider
post Sep 25 2014, 04:37 PM

Formerly known as Prince_Hamsap
********
Senior Member
16,872 posts

Joined: Jun 2011


QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Sep 25 2014, 04:36 PM)
So if i had 1000 units before at RM 1.50, now ill have 2000 units at 0.75?
*
Yes, yes, yes and yes.

Remember my mooncake analogy
SUSPink Spider
post Sep 25 2014, 04:57 PM

Formerly known as Prince_Hamsap
********
Senior Member
16,872 posts

Joined: Jun 2011


QUOTE(zDarkForceSz @ Sep 25 2014, 04:56 PM)
maybe cursing you in the dark when the split happens haha.
*
or maybe we will see many suicidal stray cats too laugh.gif
SUSPink Spider
post Sep 29 2014, 12:49 PM

Formerly known as Prince_Hamsap
********
Senior Member
16,872 posts

Joined: Jun 2011


dun worry too much about unit split and distributions...just administrative delay, u will face the same whether u invest thru FSM or bank

24 Pages « < 3 4 5 6 7 > » Top
Topic ClosedOptions
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0882sec    0.60    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 11th December 2025 - 01:26 PM