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post Sep 1 2014, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 28 2014, 11:45 AM)
hot press forming metal.  I think only few countries has this factory. And proton have one.
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Hot press forming is a cheaper method of production. Cold forming is better in terms overall strength since you dont change the molecular structure of the metal unlike hot forming.
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post Sep 1 2014, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Sep 1 2014, 10:11 AM)
bodoh nia... if own the tech, worker cabuts, suddenly you forgot how to make the products anymore.. memang no ISO standard.. laugh.gif
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Alot of companies konon have ISO standards, but its just a front since all companies what to be certified and recognized as ISO compliant to either meet regulatory requirements or meet customers requirements or expectations.

Alot of them dont actually follow the ISO standards put forth closely, when it comes to audit time, they will try to cover what the audit covers and no more.
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post Sep 1 2014, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Sep 1 2014, 03:10 PM)
so whats the issue, cover ngam ngam to fulfill the audit means the ISO still in place la..
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ISO is actually your own commitment to quality and excellence. Even if you meet the audits findings, the poor quality is reflected in your work everyday, or your products...
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post Sep 1 2014, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Sep 1 2014, 03:17 PM)
nah.. here is the quote, if you dont understand the requirement, there is nothing else to explain.
low end product also can have ISO, while it doesnt mean, if meet already will become high end excellent product
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Im not talking necessarily about items but also on companies which according to their company policy will only do business with other companies which are ISO compliant.

Say i meet ISO standards 9001:2008, that relates to QMS but it doesnt necesarily apply directly to my products, just my organization.

If you want excellent products, choose companies which are certified six sigma which have a product defective percentage of 0.00034% in their products.

Most likely proton ISO audits are "Ali baba" style.

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post Sep 1 2014, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(James Bum @ Sep 1 2014, 04:13 PM)
Car manufacturers prefer to use TS16949
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If malaysia follow ISO/TS16949. Why is it korean or japanese which most likely follow the same standards produce better made cars than malaysia?

something must have gotten wrong along the way.

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post Sep 1 2014, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Sep 1 2014, 04:25 PM)
can you name which several six sigma automotive manufacturer which seems to have very low defective products??
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They should strive to be better than the current situation, sometimes its not the destination but the journey which is more important.
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post Sep 1 2014, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(James Bum @ Sep 1 2014, 04:41 PM)
I think it's a good car too. IMHO Proton can make cars but most importantly they should focus on making sellable cars such as Exora, Saga and Persona
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They can make sellable cars by rehashing the same basic model over and over again like they did with the old saga.
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QUOTE(krizalid88 @ Sep 1 2014, 05:10 PM)
six sigma is not suitable for low production volume & SME.. plus it's too complicated & require large manpower to manage. that's why most of the OEMs prefer 3 sigma (even with 3 sigma oso they hard to achieve) or what people call it as toyota production system/lean production system. like toyota they have toyota production system/TPS, perodua with lean production system, proton/HICOM with HICOM manufacturing system/HMS..
actually NOT a car manufacturers.. it's actually vendors that must comply with ISO/TS especially tier 1 while tier 2 is not compulsory to comply. enough with iso 9001 only.
japanese mostly never force their vendor to comply with ISO/TS.. they have their own standard like Japanese Standard/JS or like germany they prefer vendor with VDA 6.3 (process) and 6.5 (product) which are likely above ISO/TS standard.. different OEMs have their own standard to follow. ISO/TS is just an international global standard for all automotive vendors.
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Thx for the info.

Maybe you could anwer why is the fit and finish as well as the quality of materials in the cabin of proton cars usually feel as if their made with cheap materials.

Could it be proton finds the lowest bidder for their components and awards them to the OEM contracts without ensuring some form of quality or standard is met?
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post Sep 1 2014, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(krizalid88 @ Sep 1 2014, 05:23 PM)
U know that the amount allowed for vendor to cover Sales, General, Administration (SGA), Profit & Materials Handling for each part they produce for proton is only 2.5% of the Total Part Price..?

But for other OEMs like Perodua, Toyota or Honda, the amount is between 11% & 12.3% of the Total Part Price..?

how to survive with 2.5%?

so now u know why every car produced by different OEMs has different quality even though produced by the same vendors.
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And yet they still want to manufacture for proton. Not good for company reputation and they earn less on every component.

The question now is, why bother?
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QUOTE(krizalid88 @ Sep 1 2014, 05:36 PM)
u as a businessman still want to sell your products eventhough profit margin very low to keep ur reputation rite? u want people see ur company no customer?
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My previous company used to think like that, even if margins are low, unwilling to switch, most likely due to being complacent and fear of losing ones reputation.

But now things are on the uptrend since my former colleague told me that management decided to push into new markets and let go of old contacts in order to forge new relations with bigger clients who have deeper pockets, it wasnt easy but they managed to pull it off.

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