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Moogle Stiltzkin
post Oct 4 2014, 12:28 PM

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Just spotted a mechanical keyboard roundup for 2014
http://us.hardware.info/reviews/5565/11-me...comparison-test


good read



i liked how logitech has finallylistened and join the mech keyboard trend

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2109943/log...#tk.rss_reviews


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post Oct 10 2014, 10:14 AM

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Just for a change of pace, i noticed this article where the author claims mechanical keyboards just aren't his thing, and he goes on to explain why

http://www.bit-tech.net/blog/2014/05/22/me...-aren-t-for-me/

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QUOTE(Red Maniac @ Oct 8 2014, 11:55 AM)
Just sharing this interesting article on mechanical keyboard for newbies like myself.  biggrin.gif

Click this: All about mechanical keyboards and why you need one
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ty for the article. found it very light weight, but at least covered some main points, as well as illustrating the different cherry mx key switches which is important for new buyers. But i would still definitely suggest people to also supplement their reading with more in depth articles to make a wiser purchase, because not all brand/models are equal; some have features or better value that may suit different people smile.gif

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post Oct 10 2014, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Oct 10 2014, 11:18 AM)
He also mention money is not an objection for his keyboard quest, I assume he did not venture enough to know the best of MKB. sweat.gif
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i agree with you, though i highlighted where you had nailed this on the most.

if money really was no object then the topre would win hands down laugh.gif why waste money on rubber dome el ol el.

i suspect he was just trolling for viewership rating purposes smile.gif


but just to reiterate, i don't necessarily think the noise issue is something we should ignore. it is definitely a consideration buyers must see in person for themselves to see if it is acceptable and convenient for the environment they will be using their mkbs in.

But as you and i both mentioned, there are solutions for this if it is something that bothers a potential buyer smile.gif



QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Oct 5 2014, 04:21 PM)
The link below is about kailh. Please see for yourself.
http://imgur.com/a/7ujle

Mechanical keyboard is about quality rather than price itself.
So, answer for worth or not worth to buy this TT poseidon Z is not worth.
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i agree with you on this point.

This is why i called this the mkb club, rather than mkb gaming club. because the emphasis is on the superiority of mkb switch keyboards, vs say a rubberdome.


I even recently helped clarify the difference between mkb club and gaming keyboard club here
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1510888




Still, considering that mkb prices have become much more competitive these days, there are still budget mkb buyers here wanting a more balanced price/performance option smile.gif So not everyone will rush out get a topre, or souped up modded mkb like the most elite in this thread. All mkb fans are welcome, whether you are more budget minded, or hardcore thumbup.gif


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post Oct 10 2014, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(Iqbal_kakashi @ Oct 10 2014, 11:48 AM)
My friend's rubberdomes got noise, but only sometimes, when he lose his Dota game. tongue.gif
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is this your fren's keyboard shocking.gif

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post Oct 12 2014, 09:04 PM

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hm this looks interesting, the NovaTouch TKL by surprisingly cooler master.

"This $200 keyboard from Cooler Master features genuine Topre switches modified to fit Cherry MX key caps. Is it a good mix? We investigate."
http://www.modders-inc.com/novatouch-tkl-p...eyboard-review/

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So what is this “HYBRID” switch business? Topre/Cherry MX mechanics? What is a hybrid capacitive switch?
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The Cherry MX switches by ZF Electronics (formerly Cherry Corp.) in Germany. Cherry MX is currently the most sought after keyswitch at the moment, and found in many different mechanical keyboards with many different types of MX switches, as designated by the color of the switch.

Topre switches are made by the Topre Corporation in Japan. A patented hybrid of a mechanical switch using a rubber dome and a capacitive sensor. A “capacitive switch” actuates electrostatically instead of by mechanical action eliminating “key chatter” while having a tactile switch operation. Topre is considered the most quiet of mechanical keyboards.

Combine a Topre conical spring and electrostatic layer to the Cherry MX Stem, housing and keycap on top of a steel PCB plate, color the switch top an unmistakable purple and you have the “Hybrid” switch.


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a bastardization version of topre cherry corp hybrid ? o-o; for below $200

no numpad, and most likely not using the sublimated dyed keycaps, but still most people get the topre for the typing experience most part, so if they can do that far cheaper than the normal topres, then it could be a good product for the budget performance minded users such as myself hmm.gif



read more and discovered what was the whole point of these hybrid cherry stem business
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Would you like to re-use your favorite Cherry MX keycaps? No problem, pop off the old caps and pop on the new caps and you’re good to go.  The Cherry MX compatible stems means keycaps can be replaced with any Cherry MX compatible caps. The Keycap tool is a unique design and unlike the claw rings, reminds me of a egg whisk beater. The tool is easy to handle and better than the claws.


basically you got some nice quality keycaps e.g. double shots, dye subs, or whatever, but it's cherry corp stem keycaps. So this keyboard gives the opportunity of letting you use a cherry corp mx stem keycap set for this keyboard, but still retain the topre switch per say. Modders would definitely like this convenience nod.gif

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Oct 12 2014, 10:10 PM)
Novatouch bundled with pad printing abs keycaps. No dye-sub pbt from Topre corp.
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hm pad printing shakehead.gif abs however i find acceptable , not too fussy on that smile.gif

but still at least can replace with a cherry corp keyset substitute of choice thkfully smile.gif


lack of dye sub pbt isn't too big a deal, but it has to be offsetted by a much cheaper pricing, otherwise whats the point.

For a more premium offering, people can still opt to buy the more expensive original topre keyboard.


But then again, do they come with the other nifty features like....

media controls via function key, NKRO, able to use mx cherry corp stem keys, removeable usb cable for keyboard hmm.gif


I think these days, even topre is being pressured to start offering more off these extras, now that the lower priced alternative are starting to offer these. more competition is always good for the consumer.

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post Oct 12 2014, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Oct 12 2014, 10:58 PM)
Some of the features are useful. Novatouch is the first Topre's NKRO via USB. icon_idea.gif
I like their mx-topre slider/stem. nod.gif Innovative.

Original Topre rather have more choices on their products line up. Not all are very expensive. Some are cheaper than Novatouch, and most are expensive than Novatouch.
Many variations in original Topre such as Ducky series, silence series, EK series, hangul series, variable weight (30g,35g,40g,55g), all 30g series, all 45g series, all 55g series and 10th years anniversary series, hi-pro etc etc. sweat.gif

Brands like Sony, Leopold, HHKB, CM all using the "all 45g" Topre for their products.
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But i wonder how did they managed to source topre switches hmm.gif did they do some licensing agreement ?

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post Oct 13 2014, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Oct 12 2014, 11:23 PM)
It's a collaboration between Topre corp and CM. Interesting milestones for both of the companies.
So, the 45g switches and pcb board are manufactured by Topre Japan. thumbup.gif
You can click my review down below in my siggy to see the pictures of tear down of Novatouch.
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oh so it's not some sort of of clone rip off. thats good to know it's from official channels smile.gif


PS: is that your own personal review ? shocking.gif

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k read the review. very detailed and with lots of pictures, and even a table of comparison. I give it an A+ rating for review, well done notworthy.gif


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post Oct 16 2014, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(nikaizad @ Oct 16 2014, 09:38 PM)
if i had 1k id save it and invest.

im poorfag
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thats pretty wise notworthy.gif

personally i try not to visit this thread too often. after get poisoned to buy something i don't need (since i already have a decent mkb laugh.gif )
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post Oct 17 2014, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Oct 16 2014, 09:42 PM)
try try keyboard, no need buy.  sweat.gif
Just borrow and try, then return back to them.
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thats how the poison spread laugh.gif

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post Oct 31 2014, 07:52 PM

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MSI's GT80 Titan laptop with a mechanical keyboard coming soon
http://www.pcper.com/news/Mobile/MSIs-GT80...ard-coming-soon

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City of Industry, Calif. – October 30, 2014 – MSI Computer Corp, a leading manufacturer of computer hardware products and solutions, unveils the GT80 Titan, the world’s first gaming laptop with a mechanical keyboard.

First of its kind, MSI’s GT80 Titan ushers the future of gaming by integrating a SteelSeries gaming keyboard with Cherry Brown MX switches into the 18-inch gaming beast. Mechanical keyboards provide superior tactile feedback, increases durability, and enhances overall gaming experience by eliminating key jamming even during the most heated battle sessions.

“Performance is key for gamers and the GT80 Titan will forever change the mobile gaming experience,” says Andy Tung, president of MSI Pan America. “We are proud to be at the forefront of the gaming evolution and will continue to provide solutions that deliver the most outstanding gaming experience in the world.”

MSI’s newest gaming laptop uses standard Cherry switches and a standard keycap with 27mm of thickness, nearly 5 times of traditional laptop keyboards. It is also the world’s slimmest and lightest 18-inch gaming laptop, measuring 17% thinner and 22% lighter than its closest competitor. To fully optimize the keyboard, the GT80 Titan features an enhanced SteelSeries Engine with CloudSync, allowing users to save and synchronize settings via SteelSeries cloud storage.






seems nice for a laptop user wanting an integrated mech keyboard.

I just wonder though how heavy it's gonna be :/

Also laptops aren't exactly good value compared to desktops, because harder to keep most components to upgrade to future tech e.g. motherboard.


putting mech keyboards aside for laptops, i've usually found Lenovo laptops to have better keyboards on their laptops for some reason.

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QUOTE(amirinz @ Oct 31 2014, 11:58 PM)
With the weight, IMO its better to bring a separate keyboard, at least you have the freedom of a detachable keyboard. Also, thinkpad keyboards are IMO, the best laptop keyboard that I have ever used.  thumbup.gif
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agreed. lugging around heavy laptop on campus is not fun which i can attest to rclxub.gif
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cleaned my ducky mkb doh.gif prepping for dragon age inquisition cause already sent pc for water cooling maintenance xd.

chiseled out the dirt and used vacuum cleaner. then use a cloth with detergent to lightly dab it out. put the keys in a bucket of water with detergent.

finished off with a light cleaning solution spray to kill off any lingering bacteria. lightly dried it off with a dry cloth then used a fan to dry it out. then don't dare plug it in for a few days until is completely dry tongue.gif

i didn't open the entire casing, only pulled the keycaps, because the last time i did this for my logitech g15 i ruined it xd.

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QUOTE(leon24 @ Nov 9 2014, 12:23 PM)
Which ducky series you using ?

I wanan change to ducky mkb  drool.gif but i dunno which one to get  sweat.gif
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mines an older ducky dk-9008g2 tiger limited edition. i'm pretty okay with it smile.gif

using custom cherry corp double shot, dye subs.... and geekhack signature plastic doubleshots. and custom escape key double shot.

it's not led lighted cept for the capslock, numlock and capslocks, because i prefer doubleshot/dye subs which have very nice contrast.

and is a cherry mx brown switch keyboard. i think spacebar uses a white or grey cherry mx switch, forgot which.
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QUOTE(leon24 @ Nov 9 2014, 03:50 PM)
Brown switch ?

I'm having headache between Red switch and Brown switch  rclxub.gif
Also i posted on top which mech kb to get
Between Ducky Shine Zero and Shine 3  hmm.gif
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i tried reds, their very nice and easy to actuate.

but i felt brown is more suited for me because i tend to rest my finger tips on the keyboard from time to time. that would be problematic for a red because you can easily accidentally actuate reds.

the brown is tactile so has a feedback which along with the higher actuation force required is more balanced to avoid accidental actuations without making it uncomfortably so. for example i find blacks to be too excruciating for typing because it's way too hard to actuate comfortably when on a typing marathon. and on the other end of the spectrum, reds for being too light.

brown is best of both worlds for gaming and just leisurely typing.

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QUOTE(leon24 @ Nov 9 2014, 04:39 PM)
Apart from the resting fingertips problem, does the red have any more disadvantages ? Because i'm currently stuck with a membrane keyboard and hoping to change to mech kb asap  biggrin.gif

I play Dota 2 most of the time and some school work I guess but mostly gaming. Will the red do me good ?

My current kb is the CM Storm devastator and I don't really know the force requirement for the kb but I would prefer something lighter than this
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is better you try in person. a lot of shops now stock up on mkb and many switches. try compare red and brown see which you prefer.

some people like blues for the clicky sound, but there are some gamer concerns for that switch in regards to quick double tapping.


other than the accident prone for reds, the only other thing i'd consider is if you think it's too light or not for your taste. because it's linear and has a light spring, it's very easy to actuate.

my own preferences wanted something slightly harder such as brown :}





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