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post Aug 25 2014, 12:50 AM, updated 12y ago

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Budget around 200-350 for active studio speakers (with knobs for controlling volume, treble and bass).
Currently one of my passive speaker loses sound, so looking for a brand new one.

If there are better ones which just needs to increase my budget slightly, please share. smile.gif
I find it strange there are little brands locally, mostly Edifier.
Are there other brands bought locally? (e.g. polk audio,klipsch)

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post Aug 25 2014, 07:33 AM

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QUOTE(lex @ Aug 25 2014, 03:36 AM)
Edifier produces very affordable HiFi quality studio monitors. For around that budget range, try looking at Edifier R1600T III. And if you want to up a notch and increasing budget to around RM500 to RM600 range, then I would highly recommend Edifier Studio 7 (a.k.a Edifier R2700)... nod.gif

What was the speaker brand and model? And what was the brand and model of the amplifier used to drive those speakers? Have you checked properly the whether the source of the problem stems from the passive speaker or the amplifier itself? hmm.gif

Those brands are available locally, but they are usually out of your budget range (mostly in the 4-digit range)... tongue.gif

I wonder if you ever noticed that there are hardly any Sonic Gear recommendations here. Here is one of the reasons: Special Interest -> Home Entertainment -> Audiophiles -> Speaker Discovery Channel, Speaker brand giving fake spec. Sonic Gear does not really manufacture speakers but takes them from OEMs (most of them hardly known or very obscure), thus the quality is all over the place depending on the model... icon_rolleyes.gif
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Thanks lex for your recommendation.
Do you know where I could audition these Edifier speakers? (The R1600T III and Edifier Studio 7)

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post Aug 25 2014, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(aleluya @ Aug 25 2014, 05:46 PM)
Got Edifier previously but sold off. The bass is too strong for my liking (Growing older so didn't enjoy bass now).
Good for gaming cause of the boom boom effect, room mirror also can shake if turn on the volume to 40% but bad for some jazz music. 
Which Edifier model speaker you sold off? Is it Edifier R2700 or Edifier R1600T III?


QUOTE(aleluya @ Aug 25 2014, 05:46 PM)
I think another concern you need to raise is what is the speaker purpose? Is it for gaming? Or acoustic music?
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I'm not a bass-head person, so same boat as you smile.gif
Mine is more for listening to music, watching video/movie and for video editing (mixing music)

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post Aug 26 2014, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(lex @ Aug 25 2014, 03:36 AM)
What was the speaker brand and model? And what was the brand and model of the amplifier used to drive those speakers? Have you checked properly the whether the source of the problem stems from the passive speaker or the amplifier itself? hmm.gif


I'm not sure about the brand, the only label it has is "Amplified Multi-media Speaker System". I opened it up inside once to clean the internals, and didn't find any brand label.

It has a 4 inch woofer + 1 inch tweeter
Basically a 2.0 speakers W x H x D = 130 x 240 x 170 mm, cost around RM300 about +10 years ago.
At 50% volume, it basically fill up the entire room similar to Clem review on the Edifier R1600Tiii.
Usually play at 40% volume since its just sitting close on my desk.

QUOTE(lex @ Aug 25 2014, 03:36 AM)
Those brands are available locally, but they are usually out of your budget range (mostly in the 4-digit range)... tongue.gif 

Really? I could get them below the 4-digit range via Newegg.com including shipping and tax.
There are some promotion for those speakers where they slash the price by 50%.
However, I'm looking for active speakers (active speaker for control + passive speaker connected to the active)

QUOTE(lex @ Aug 25 2014, 03:36 AM)
I wonder if you ever noticed that there are hardly any Sonic Gear recommendations here. Here is one of the reasons: Special Interest -> Home Entertainment -> Audiophiles -> Speaker Discovery Channel, Speaker brand giving fake spec. Sonic Gear does not really manufacture speakers but takes them from OEMs (most of them hardly known or very obscure), thus the quality is all over the place depending on the model... icon_rolleyes.gif
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Thanks for the note! Will be watching out for those laugh.gif
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post Aug 27 2014, 07:12 PM

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lex Do you know if the studio speakers such as R2700 can be connected to a TV? Also, I see my motherboard has SPDIF port, how it could be used for high end speakers like Edifier studio speakers?
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post Aug 27 2014, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(lex @ Aug 27 2014, 09:28 PM)
Yes, can be use the SPDIF connection for your TV and/or computer. The optical cable is included with the speaker package as well. Just connect them and enable SPDIF output on your computer... wink.gif
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How about the heat/temperature when leaving the speakers on idle? Does it feel warm or hot?

I have read power911 review on R2800, and he mention about the heat which interested me.
Does it feel warm or hot when the R2700 speakers is left idle?
How about the temperature when its playing music continuously for more than 5 minutes?
With a bigger speakers such as the Edifier Studio R2700/R2800, wouldn't that heat up much faster and much more than R1600Tiii / R1800Tiii / R1900Tiii ?
My current active speakers feel warm 34-35 degrees when playing music constantly (5min ~ 1 hour+).

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post Aug 28 2014, 08:03 AM

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QUOTE(PedangGila @ Aug 28 2014, 01:19 AM)
I heard Edifier 1900 they're good sounding to my ears, for that price lah.
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Which area you audition those speakers?
I'm planning to visit MVP Store at Subang or Viewnet at Lowyat to test them out.

QUOTE(lex @ Aug 28 2014, 12:19 AM)
Of course since Edifier R2700 is a big speaker, it does feel quite warm since it uses a linear power supply. And Edifier R1900TIII should be much more warmer since it uses linear power supply plus Class AB amplifier (the reason it has that big heatsink in the back). However Edifier R1600TIII and Edifier R1800TIII should be much cooler (still a little warm of course, as with all active amplified speakers) since it uses switching power supply plus Class D amplifier. icon_rolleyes.gif
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What makes you choose R2700 over the R2800 (which has same class AB amplifier, but bigger speakers) cool.gif and
R2700 over the R1800Tiii (class D amplifier = saves electricity, less heat, higher efficiency) hmm.gif


If you were given another chance to purchase again, which would you go for? smile.gif

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post Aug 30 2014, 04:28 PM

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I have perform audition on both speakers from Edifier and Swan:
1) Swan M200MKii
2) Swan D1080IV
3) Swan X3
4) Swan M50W
5) Edifier R2700
6) Edifier 1600Tiii


What I really like about Edifier is the cover, which covers not just the speakers but overall front area instead of just the drivers, and find them quite solid, slides in/out easily, wouldn't break easily. Just that it has gaps at the sides (top, left, right, bottom), therefore, dust still can go in from the sides. Swan only covered parts of it (e.g. Swan M200MKii) which doesn't exhibit classy appearance.

When comparing my current multi-media speaker system (active speaker) vs Edifier 1600Tiii, the Edifier produces a lot of bzzz sound when hitting the peak, even with low-medium-high volume especially with vocals. (Treble and bass set as 0).

As for Edifier R2700, it did not display any bzzzz issues, it sound so smooth as if it was playing from my computer, an amazing experience. It sounds like a wholesome sound package with the tweeter, woofer and midrange speaker when playing movie sounds and soundtracks that has mixture of instruments (drums, violins, guitar). The woofer gave some kind of lion roaring vibration, great for movies. This is mostly lacking from speakers that only has tweeter and a midrange speaker.

For me, the Swan M200MKii sounds a little more crystal-clear compared to R2700 but does not feel wholesome (soft bass = felt non existent similar to my current speakers). It's suitable for users who are interested in instrumentals, vocals and sounds that has less bass in it. In addition, the Swan M200MKii sound quality is similar to playing on my computer, I couldn't really tell if it was a blind-test.

The D1080IV was great as an overall package but needs to position correctly at ear level, if its place above/below the ears, it felt empty in treble & bass. The R2700 when played at different position (standing/sitting), it does not affect much compared to the D1080-IV. Also, the D1080-IV, it felt half-full in sound, even though both are played at a comfortable nearfield distance (instead of blaring out loud). In terms of pricing, I would expect the D1080-IV would sound better than R2700, but it turns out to be the opposite.

Regarding the M50W, it has superb bass but weak treble. After I increase the treble knob, I could felt the clarity increase a tiny bit.

Swan X3, price the highest among these speakers, the woofers felt not strong, but the treble is ok. One thing I find it inconvenient is it does not have knobs to control the treble, and bass. Plus it has volume knobs but on both speakers. So it would be a little hassle trying to balance both speakers. However, this speakers does not provide a full-rich feeling from D1080-IV, probably due to the smaller size speakers.

So top 3 speakers would be: R2700, M200MKii and D1080-IV.
The R2700 feel more balance in all aspects.
The M200MKii hits the spot with crystal-clear sound but lacks the bass, and the design of the speaker shield doesn't look that appealing.
The D1080-IV is similar to R2700, just sounds less full than it (roughly 65-70%)

p.s. I have also tried the latest model Aune x3 (passive speakers) paired with a dedicated X2 Amplifier, does not perform well compared to the 3 speakers above, even though it cost a combo of RM1000+

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post Aug 30 2014, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(StupidGuyPlayComp @ Aug 30 2014, 04:51 PM)
How you connect the R2700?
with good sound card/DAC? or Optical/Coaxial?
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Just a regular phone. smile.gif
With DAC/Sound Card, it will increase the sound quality by another 20-25% based on my experience. hmm.gif
Not an audiophile, just a regular music listener for techno, trance, choir-vocal musics, classic, instrumentals and dubstep.

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post Aug 30 2014, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(StupidGuyPlayComp @ Aug 30 2014, 04:58 PM)
R2700 and R2800 highly depend on good sound card/DAC, or at least internal DAC.

otherwise sound terrible...........totally cant perform
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When I auditioned the R2700 speaker with phone, I feel the sound is much pleasant compared to midrange speaker connected to a computer (around 85-90% the quality). If it was played with a dedicated sound card or an excellent onboard motherboard audio driver, I believe it will sound better by a solid 20-25% margin, my 2 cents laugh.gif

The sound of the R2700 is totally different than the one found in most Youtube video review (probably bad quality microphones).


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post Aug 30 2014, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(lex @ Aug 30 2014, 05:59 PM)
And which one did you buy/get in the end? brows.gif
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All of the top speakers I pointed are out of stock shocking.gif

Only have demo unit for audition , and there aren't any demo unit for D1010-IV and M200MKiii sad.gif

The seller pointed out need to check with distributor, also can't give an estimate when will restock. hmm.gif

Btw, could you check how much wattage does the R2700 consumes on idle and on loud music (50% volume = techno/trance).

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post Sep 16 2014, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(lex @ Aug 30 2014, 10:28 PM)
Looks like very hot selling indeed. Have you tried Viewnet and/or Sri Computers? unsure.gif

No idea, as I do not have a wattmeter or energy monitoring device to measure power consumption at the power point... hmm.gif
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I checked both in Sri Computers and Viewnet at Lowyat.
Tested both Edifier R2800, R2700, R2600 and Luna Eclipse brows.gif

The R2600 sounds similar to my current speaker setup, so I feel it isn't an upgrade.
R2600 still sounds quite good compared to R2700 but not wholesome.

The R2700 sounds tighter and confined compared to R2800, more for music-game type.

The R2800 sounds kinda spacious, better soundstage, great for movies and music.
But the bass is kinda looser compared to R2700.
Increasing treble and bass makes the flat sound sounds more delicious for entertainment. smile.gif

Luna Eclipse on the other hand, sounds a little better compared to R2600 but still lower than R2700 due to its bass located behind.
Bass isn't strong either. Bluetooth signal not stable when the device is placed more than 30cm away.
The shutdown/turn-on button takes about 2-3 seconds for it to react.
I like how they made the Luna Eclipse changes the LED light (blue for bluetooth, red for hardwired connection cable).

I prefer the R2800 but cost kinda alot at RM750 compared to RM550 for R2700.

Currently R2600 and R2700 out of stock so couldn't purchase it.

The heatsink behind the R2700 and R2800 isn't that hot at all , is similar warmth to my current speakers.

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post Sep 17 2014, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(lex @ Sep 16 2014, 11:42 PM)
The actual heatsinks for the audio digital power amplifier is actually inside (hidden from view). That is why you do not see any form of heatsink on the back. That is just the metal plate only. Since its a Class D amplifier (more efficient), it does not need a huge heatsink compared to Class A/B amplifiers (which requires large heatsinks, that can usually be seen at the back)... wink.gif
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Thanks for the heads up smile.gif
Still waiting for your review on R2700. rolleyes.gif
So the Audio Engine A5+ (A series) are using Class A/B amplifiers. Huge heatsinks hmm.gif

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post Sep 20 2014, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(liquidgal @ Sep 19 2014, 03:16 AM)
asunakirito Agree with Lex. The speakers that you mentioned are indeed very good speakers. But they are having different structure and size, so can't really compare.

There are 4 points that I need to point out here. Firstly, If around the same price range, bigger speaker like 4 or 5 inches will easily produce more bass and all rounded in performance.
Secondly, full range speaker is not technically strong such as details and separations as compare to 2-3 way speakers. But compare to low range multi way speaker below RM1K, multi way speaker might sound separated from different drivers. Full range might sound more harmony and present the frequency range as a whole image.
Thirdly, X3 a passive speaker with very low sensitivity (82db). X2 is a basic amp for the speaker to play but not the best combination. I tried using Musical Paradise MP301 MK3 to drive it, the performance is much better. But of course, it's back to whether you are willing to spend and invest on it.

Lastly, the X3 that you auditioned, is actually considered almost brand new set. Burn in less than 10 hours.  smile.gif
All these would affect the sound quality.

X3 is indeed with lesser bass since it's 3 inches. It's suitable for small room and plays well for chamber music, pop, acoustic and so on. Not so good on rock and big production music.
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Thanks for your enlightenment! It's still quite a big investment to purchase X3 speaker (RM699) + Musical Paradise MP301 MK3 (RM1250) to get a good sound quality.

Around that pricing, can get Edifier R2800 (RM750) = which offers a lot more bang for buck plus provides superb bass, midrange and treble, extra accessories (e.g. remote control, optical cable).

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post Sep 21 2014, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(jinggothegreat @ Sep 20 2014, 11:28 AM)
save abit and get R2800 thumbup.gif
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Do you own a R2800? brows.gif
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post Sep 26 2014, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Sep 21 2014, 09:46 PM)
JBL LSR308 . You won't regret.
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How does it compare with Edifier R2800 against JBL LSR308? biggrin.gif
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post Sep 27 2014, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(lex @ Sep 26 2014, 11:52 PM)
As always, recommend auditioning/testing those speakers first to see if its suites your listening preferences before deciding. For that JBL speaker, you may have to find/search for them (at HiFi shops and showrooms) as its not as common as Edifier Studio speaker series... hmm.gif
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Do you know who sells them? Seems kinda rare locally. hmm.gif
I couldn't find out the local price, but on ebay.com, its priced at RM3300 shocking.gif
On amazon.com, priced around $200 USD, so it would be approximately RM651 (not including shipping + gov 10% tax)

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post Sep 28 2014, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Sep 27 2014, 09:14 PM)
You can try to contact Mahajak Trio, our local JBL distributor.
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post Oct 7 2014, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(abai2k @ Oct 3 2014, 10:40 PM)
Edifier R1900TV

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Is that your new speaker ? brows.gif
The packaging seems all Chinese, probably from Taiwan. hmm.gif

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post Oct 7 2014, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(lex @ Oct 7 2014, 09:48 PM)
Edifier speakers are mostly manufactured in China (as with most speakers nowadays including HiVi, MicroLabs, Thornet & Vander, Logitech, Sonic Gear, etc). Anyway, any updates on which speaker you have decided on, and whether have you bought it already? unsure.gif
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I seen a few Edifier Studio packaging and its written in English (Technetium, Viewnet @Lowyat) but the one he showed in the video is in Chinese. So I was assuming it was bought from Taiwan instead of here locally. unsure.gif

I have decided the model to purchase but saving funds for something else. sweat.gif

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