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 if calorie deficit by meal plan can be easily done, why do u need a cardio?

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post Aug 25 2014, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Aug 21 2014, 10:03 PM)
I could say that your body is in starvation mode. When you are eating way below your BMR, your body sense that you are calorie deprive hence it will holds as much fat as it could; making your weight loss stagnant (this is the same situation as polar bear hibernation).

That's the reason why extreme dieting only works for a very short while and never produce any good result. First, you'll drain out the water in your body. Second, you'll have very low amount of protein hence your body will start to breakdown your muscle tissue (your fat burning factory) for protein, glucose, energy. Third, your body will retain as much fat as it could as it sense you are in starvation mode.
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Not trying to be condescending but isn't starvation mode a myth?
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post Aug 25 2014, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Aug 25 2014, 03:55 PM)
Well, Dr. Layne Norton do covers a lot about metabolic damage lately especially mid this year. I doubt he have anything to talk about starvation mode and metabolic damage if it's a myth.

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I see, thanks for the link. Good read there.
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post Aug 29 2014, 10:34 AM

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I have some questions about something that I can't really figure out myself. Lets say my gf, who have been trying to slim down.

Her details:-

155cm (yes chibi biggrin.gif)
weighs around 38-39kg.
currently eating at only 900 calories.

she previously tried eating 1000 calories for quite sometime and the scale isn't moving. Once she got to 900 calories, she got off 40kg and it's now around 38kg+.

Her process has stalled for quite long now. She hits the gym almost as often as me (bout 5-6 days/week). She's doing what I do but with lighter weights and shorter rest time.

Her daily intake is already dangerously low and she's still stalling. Is this the example of metabolic damage?


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post Aug 29 2014, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(Amedion @ Aug 29 2014, 11:36 AM)
Her smaller body doesn't require that much calories to maintain therefore the weight stalled or going too slow. Bones, organs, blood, water and skin has weight too. So if she wants to decrease further faster, either starve herself or sorry to say, remove organs or bones.  tongue.gif

Don't use scale that much. Ask her to use mirror, if she look puffy then cut out salt and sugar to prevent water retention. Eat more fiber that helps flush them out.
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Wait, why she have to resort to starve herself or remove organs n stuff? I'm talking about having a slight deficit. The scale, I understand shouldn't be too obsessed with numbers but it's one of the monitoring tool. she measures daily to have more data to work with.
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post Aug 29 2014, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(Amedion @ Aug 29 2014, 04:17 PM)
nah.. just joking on that part..
What i meant is that your gf's is already below ideal weight.. her progress will stall or go real slow.. i mean real sloooooooooooow even if she's at calorie deficit.. can you reduce the weight of your bones, organs, blood, skins, etc? idk man..
If you feel weak eating less then don't do so. Just eat at maintenance calorie, then workout to make it in deficit. How much you can cut depends on your training intensity.  thumbup.gif
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Maybe I wasn't being clear on my post. She's still at around 22%+ bodyfat. Noticeable fat around arms, thighs and belly.
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post Aug 29 2014, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(sasuketaichou @ Aug 29 2014, 02:41 PM)
guys, its been 2 weeks since i started my diet. now, i feel weak and i think my body is smaller, im craving for food, i cant lift as i lift normally, so i reduce reps and sets just like  Dr. Layne Norton article mention by alien9 said.

my abs make a little progress, i can see it comparing last time almost none. i think my bf is like 15%-17%. its a good process by just 2 week.

so now, im wondering, how do u guys cutting and bulking, what do u do for your diets? im wondering while im diet, should i add more weight? or maintain?

before this im on calorie surplus. and it feels great, i can do many sets and reps. i feel stronger too. now im weak. makes me wonder if i eat more and exercise more but maintain by calorie deficit, will i achieved my goal(reduce bf)?

situation: eat by 2.5k cal and burns 500 cal through cardio. a total of 2k cal at the end of the day. will it works?
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You are likely having too much deficit. Back then when I was cutting, my lifts did not decrease much and at most I was only feeling hungry. Strength wise I pretty much retain most of it.

You should periodically incorporate either a greater deficit or more cardio when your cutting process stalls. Try increasing cardio from 15 mins to 30 mins. And when the progress stops, add more deficit. Don't go batshit crazy having super deficit.
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post Aug 29 2014, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(Amedion @ Aug 29 2014, 05:15 PM)
40kg x 22% = 8.8kg
38kg x 22% = 8.36kg

8.8kg - 8.36kg = Lost 0.44kg fat. How long does it take?  and those measurement might not be accurate. Female has higher bodyfat compare to mens.

Try lifting heavy, minimize cardio and increase protein intake.
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I understand how long it takes to burn those fat off, I also know that the measurements are not accurate. Not trying to be an ass but I'm not a total newbie when it comes to cutting.

She's already doing minimal cardio, decent protein intake and doing the same routine as mine. She's mainly weight lifting in the gym.

All I'm asking if this is the case of metabolic damage.

 

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