I stay in a Semi-D,my management doesn't allow grills for windows and doors. So any ideas?

Formally write to the management and ask,

"If there is any break in and its found that it was preventable by installing grill, is the management taking full responsibility for the lost ? Please reply in writing as it will be used in the future if such incident arises."

Make sure those @$$ reply you and raise it up during the next JMB meeting as a note in the minutes. ask the same question and get an answer.

if they have no better method, ask that this rule to be remove as its not helping the security situation.

BTW, install grill on the INSIDE ! rule only say cannot change the front ... not the internal. they are not gonna stop you from putting curtain right ?

you can always install sensor which will trigger alarm in case of break in. like the iParadox

Be smart and do it without their knowledge.
Rules are meant to be broken anyways.
And the management can do nuts about your property.

Are you sure you want to try ... don't blindly go against rule. Rule are meant to be CHANGE not broken !

A Deed of Mutual Covenant (“DMC”) is an agreement under seal. It binds on all owners of a multi-unit or multi-storey building. It basically sets out rules to regulate the rights and liabilities of co-owners and establishes management machinery for the mutually owned property.

The signatory of a DMC include the developer and the first purchaser of a unit in the development and/or the management company (if there is a management company appointed). Sometimes management company are not appointed at the time of agreement is written and developer will include a clause where they have a right to appoint a management company. Even though not all owners signed the DMC, they are bound directly by it. DMC covenants can be enforced against the successors in title of the original parties or their successors in title. DMC has a binding force over all owners, incorporated owners, manager, tenants and users of the building.

Relevant parties can take legal action against the party who violates the DMC. The remedies of violations include damages against losses, an injunction order from the court and a declaration from the court concerning the violating act. The DMC is only valid for a period of not more than 12 months. Once a joint management body (JMB) is formed within 12 months from date of vacant possession, the DMC ceased to apply. The house rules set by the JMB will become the new rules.

Then why bother buying something that have so much restrictions?
It is like saying I bought this house and it is under my name but I have no rights to do any renovations on it.
What kind of Bull law is this?

I know how you feel. I have a property (condo unit) which has several restrictions regarding renovation. The management said it's related to the strata title transfer later on. Just conform with the management for now. Once you get the strata title, then you can do whatever you want. Well, almost...

Nah my house is under renovation now with the approval from the town municipal.
I can do anything I want.
Pity for TS though.

Its the bull law that you didn't read and blindly sign ... don't buy Putrajaya please if you cannot read/understand paperwork.

I buy a condo and would like to remove the supporting wall in my unit which might one day cause a collapse ... can i actually do that ? its MY unit wah ... shouldn't i be allowed to do as i please ?

no matter how bullcrap something may sound to you ... you sign on it so honor it. if its not agreeable, try and negotiate for a change ...

Tempered glass, and some part of the house you can install a 8" windows, even is fully open is not easy to climb in, but can allow air circulation.

Nice... until neighbors complain... haha... Anyway, good for you.

And I agree. Pity for TS...

I mean I am not staying at a housing area which has Bull Law..

permimeter sensors + security windows & security door and your good to go. safer than a lousy grill anyway - they are hardly ever installed in a secure way nowadays.

Grill , guard, dog(s) are passive protection, to prevent (before happen). Alarm are more of active&reactive, when anything happen it will sound the alarm or call for help.

If a thief see two house, one with grill one without, which one do you think the thief go in first?

If house occupied, we don't need to switch on the alarm right? And some people prefer to open the windows to have better air circulation. Imagine open up the windows in living room, and we go take bath. Feel safe? If without grill, put few smaller window like 8" wide, this we can open up the windows and not easy for people to climb in.

We always want to start with prevention before correction. Is good to have all if possible. Grill not necessary if area are really safe.

This post has been edited by weikee: Aug 20 2014, 10:01 AM

But you're staying in a Semi-D, what's the issue with installing grill? If condo, I can understand. Buut Semi-D wor?

I've known some will designated 2 door grill designs for you to choose, but this is absurd. What guarantee you get from management? This is not apartment but semi-D .. windows half of the house Does management expect you close door and windows 24 hrs?

invicible grill maybe

You definitely need grilling brother

My observation from houses in malaysia is that builders usually install quite cheap windows without proper locks, only a handle which "clips" over the frame when closed. These are very easy to pull open from the outside with a crow bar or even your bare hands.

I would advise that if you have these cheap windows, change them for windows with actual locks in the frame. Better still, if you can afford it go for double glazing and/or tinting so it's difficult to bypass the lock by breaking the glass instead. And generally you don't need all the panels in the window to open. Say you have five windows all in a row, consider installing fixed panels for 2 or 3 which can't be opened.

As mentioned, alarm sensors on all the windows that can be opened are good too. You can get "glass breaker" sensors too which go off if they detect the sound of glass breaking (or some other loud bang).

I always feel a bit weary about installing grilles. What happens if there is a fire in the house and you need to escape through a window? It seems a bit risky to me.

PS I've just stumbled across a solution for people that want to have a breeze coming through their house but don't have a grille: http://www.locksonline.co.uk/acatalog/Rest...dow_Section.jpg
I wonder if we can get these locks in Malaysia? Or if we can get windows that open like this (not enough to let someone through, LHS of picture): http://pattayatradeframes.com/wp-content/u...n_windows_1.jpg

Anyway I hope this gives you some ideas as alternatives to grilles

This post has been edited by THEALB10N: Aug 20 2014, 10:49 AM

The grill have escape door in case of fire.

Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the grille? A robber could come through the escape door right?

Have you seen a grill with door before?

I do have security system,it is provided by developer. I doesn't really want grills cause we have indoor garden which is not really indoor. So anyone here installed security tint on windows? Does it block sunshine? I don't install any tint cause I like sunshine. I'm worried,in the days there's only my 15 year old brother at home,what if something happen? At night only me,my son and him. Only 3 of us what can we do if robber enter our house? Our gate is also low,we have guards but nowadays guard can't be trusted. No one install any grill here

Just install it INSIDE




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alarm + ipcam + anaconda

Nowadays, a lot of landed G&G are strata title property which need to follow house rule or management rule under DMC.

In a strata title property, you need to follow the house rule or DMC agreed.

So if want to install whatever like design one, then look for non-strata property.

Actually the purpose of such rule on renovation issue is to make the housing area look neat and nice. Every house with same gill design matching the theme of the building, look nice and neat as compared every unit design totally different, rojak across, may not look so "high class".

Management only can govern the exterior look on renovation, interiorly, there is no restriction, so if the grill install inside, generally management won't care.

The mindset live in a strata property is different with non-strata property.

The renovation restriction generally on exterior look.
This is difference between strata title property vs non-strata.

Strata title property, the concept is to live in a community follow a common house rule.

If do not like such restriction, individual title property is the option.

Alternative, the rule can be changed via EGM/AGM of the JMB/MC.

So elect yourself become chairman and form a team of management of your own, set a resolution to change the rule of cannot install grill, every owner vote "yes", then viola, issue solved on grill installation.

thanks for the info...

Yes the exterior is what they worried of. And about the chairman thingy,people here is not really together,most people leave their house in the morning and come back in the evening. Housewives will come out of their car talking on the phone gossiping while carrying their shopping bags

Of course a grille over a door can be opened. I thought you meant the grilles over the windows can be opened in an emergency. That was what I said was my safety concern with grilles over windows. Even if there are such grilles I would be a bit uncomfortable with the idea as I wouldn't carry the grille key with me all the time. To each their own though.

This is what I thought. Inside your house, no one can tell you what to do. External have to be the same. If not the neighbor has half roof while the other have balcony ....

Grill keys have to be located near the grill itself but of course not reachable from outside, just like emergency exit door in factory or office building

You don't need carry a key, usually the key are place inside the house near the windows but not accessible form out site.

Usually for such door, we use a master key that can open up all the locks on the door in the grill.

Yup, also for house with lock roof access.

OK fair enough. Anyway I think we are a bit off topic as my original post was focusing more on alternatives to grilles, as the TS said he isn't allowed to install them.

Many advice already written out, TS can read and select best possible solution for TS's house.

ok..

Made an appointment with a tint seller. Gonna install security tint

This post has been edited by Dan_NopeNope: Aug 21 2014, 02:02 PM

If your windows is normal glass, secure tint won't help. Thief just need to break and use cutter to cut/blade away the tint.

Last owner told me he already change the glass.

Very easy to check, Tempered or laminated glass have a logo / sign (sandblasted carved) stating the glass type

This post has been edited by weikee: Aug 21 2014, 02:58 PM

Dan, you are very lucky. It costs alot of money to change from regular window glass to tempered glass. Especially if it's a Semi-d.

Like Weikee said, if it's tempered, there should be etching on the edge / corners with the word 'tempered'.

Yeah, when I ask few years back, is 4x more than conventional windows frame to security. Conventional maybe around RM 25sqft, the tempered and thicker aluminium is minimal RM 90 sqft

Yeah there is a logo there

I know right,last owner is selling because of emergency

https://pictr.com/images/2022/08/13/BDVP2c.md.jpg

I install this grill inside but now my management ask me to remove as it does not follow their design guideline...

But they didn't notify me earlier that I have to follow certain design... What should I do? They are demanding me to remove it