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 Arcam irDAC versus TEAC UD501, Which one better?

Which one better?
 
Arcam irDAC [ 4 ] ** [40.00%]
TECH UD501 [ 4 ] ** [40.00%]
Both are great [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Both sucks [ 2 ] ** [20.00%]
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TSchanhin
post Aug 17 2014, 12:10 AM, updated 11y ago

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Hi guys,

I found Arcam irDAC and TEAC UD501 are of similar price. But cannot find comparison between them.

In term of built, design and components that being used, TEAC seems on the upper hand with its built-in toroidal transformer versus Arcam cheapo feel 12 volt adapter. TEAC also has DSD, which is missing on the Arcam.

While the great thing on Arcam is lots of good review where What's hifi is backing it up.

So which one to trust? Which one better? Any website has both in comparison? hmm.gif

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post Aug 17 2014, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(chanhin @ Aug 17 2014, 12:10 AM)
Hi guys,

I found Arcam irDAC and TEAC UD501 are of similar price. But cannot find comparison between them.

In term of built, design and components that being used, TEAC seems on the upper hand with its built-in toroidal transformer versus Arcam cheapo feel 12 volt adapter. TEAC also has DSD, which is missing on the Arcam.

While the great thing on Arcam is lots of good review where What's hifi is backing it up.

So which one to trust? Which one better? Any website has both in comparison?  hmm.gif
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Teac UD501 or the the latest UD301 which allows for future software updates thumbup.gif

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This post has been edited by E1 - AKG: Aug 17 2014, 12:28 AM
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post Aug 17 2014, 12:30 AM

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TEAC UD-501 will give you more options to play around with a home setup compared to the Arcam irDAC

Just try reading up more sources to get a general idea on what to expect.

PS: I personally find whathifi biased in their reviews

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post Aug 17 2014, 02:10 AM

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QUOTE(Problem @ Aug 17 2014, 12:30 AM)
TEAC UD-501 will give you more options to play around with a home setup compared to the Arcam irDAC

Just try reading up more sources to get a general idea on what to expect.

PS: I personally find whathifi biased in their reviews
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Yes... What's hifi indeed bias toward UK branded product.

Possible TEAC is more towards headfi? Or it is actually superior to Arcam? hmm.gif
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post Aug 17 2014, 02:57 PM

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I audit the TEAC DAC..awesome for its price. others costing double doesnt sound as musical as this

if u can wait, explore the upcomin Sony HAP-Z1 too..they r beautifully made.

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post Aug 17 2014, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(carcrazy @ Aug 17 2014, 02:57 PM)
I audit the TEAC DAC..awesome for its price. others costing double doesnt sound as musical as this

if u can wait, explore the upcomin Sony HAP-Z1 too..they r beautifully made.
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Can ask how you evaluate the Teac? on Hifi system or Headfi?

If I buy this one, I plan to use for hifi and pair it with Marantz PM8005 tongue.gif

Although I am going to get a Senheiser headphone, but not going to use for headphone because always prefer speaker than headphone.
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QUOTE(chanhin @ Aug 17 2014, 09:17 PM)
Can ask how you evaluate the Teac? on Hifi system or Headfi?

If I buy this one, I plan to use for hifi and pair it with Marantz PM8005  tongue.gif

Although I am going to get a Senheiser headphone, but not going to use for headphone because always prefer speaker than headphone.
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hifi definitely.
setup was:
source: roksan CDP
USB DAC: TEAC and 3 other brands
preamp: LAMM tube
amp: bryston 300W SS
Speakers: ATC floorstander

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post Aug 18 2014, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(carcrazy @ Aug 18 2014, 08:55 AM)
hifi definitely.
setup was:
source: roksan CDP
USB DAC: TEAC and 3 other brands
preamp: LAMM tube
amp: bryston 300W SS
Speakers: ATC floorstander
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Thanks for the info. Teac seems has mixed review... But value for $$$ still very high~
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post Apr 26 2015, 02:13 AM

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QUOTE(E1 - AKG @ Aug 17 2014, 12:27 AM)
Teac UD501 or the the latest UD301 which allows for future software updates  thumbup.gif

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Hi Uncle,

Can you list the differences between UD301 and UD501? Or any good website doing comparison. The areas that I am interested;

(1) As DAC for my stereo hifi. Both sound same? except 501 has more filter to play?
(2) As headphone DAC/amp. UD301 is better?
(3) If acting as pre-amp, only UD301 is capable to connect power amp directly and drive speaker right?
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QUOTE(chanhin @ Apr 26 2015, 02:13 AM)
Hi Uncle,

Can you list the differences between UD301 and UD501? Or any good website doing comparison. The areas that I am interested;

(1) As DAC for my stereo hifi. Both sound same? except 501 has more filter to play?
(2) As headphone DAC/amp. UD301 is better?
(3) If acting as pre-amp, only UD301 is capable to connect power amp directly and drive speaker right?
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Just realised that the title of the thread had TECH instead of TEAC sweat.gif

1. The UD301 has the possibility of firmware upgrade but not the UD501.
2. For headphones output, both are quite similar.
3. Both can be a pre-amp.
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post Apr 26 2015, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(E1 - AKG @ Apr 26 2015, 10:16 AM)
Just realised that the title of the thread had TECH instead of TEAC  sweat.gif

1. The UD301 has the possibility of firmware upgrade but not the UD501.
2. For headphones output, both are quite similar.
3. Both can be a pre-amp.
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Just done the correction.

I aware UD501 has more input, which I do not need.

And most likely the only advance of UD501 is its filter?

Also read that most reviews said hard to hear differences between 301 and 501...

So far it seems 301 is what I am looking for.
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post Apr 27 2015, 09:18 AM

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Both is also just so so. Budget dac
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post Apr 27 2015, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Apr 27 2015, 09:18 AM)
Both is also just so so. Budget dac
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Wah... so action... sweat.gif

Just a low paid working level here... Cannot have everything high end le... shocking.gif
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post Apr 27 2015, 06:26 PM

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Incidentally, I'm looking at the UD301. chanhin, any lobang to share with good prices?
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QUOTE(chanhin @ Apr 27 2015, 04:18 PM)
Wah... so action...  sweat.gif

Just a low paid working level here... Cannot have everything high end le...  shocking.gif
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No offense, but Sonerin is right. The TEAC UD-501 was one the worst products that I owned, infact the shortest. The USB implementation is a joke and sound is very average, something that you would expect from mass produced AVRs with dacs.
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QUOTE(Problem @ Apr 27 2015, 07:15 PM)
No offense, but Sonerin is right. The TEAC UD-501 was one the worst products that I owned, infact the shortest. The USB implementation is a joke and sound is very average, something that you would expect from mass produced AVRs with dacs.
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Well, the sky is the limit when money is not sweat.gif At the price point, the Teac UD301 has no competition sweat.gif
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post Apr 27 2015, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Apr 27 2015, 06:26 PM)
Incidentally, I'm looking at the UD301. chanhin, any lobang to share with good prices?
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Need to narrow down on the devices I want first... If you got lubang share share ya. rclxms.gif

QUOTE(Problem @ Apr 27 2015, 07:15 PM)
No offense, but Sonerin is right. The TEAC UD-501 was one the worst products that I owned, infact the shortest. The USB implementation is a joke and sound is very average, something that you would expect from mass produced AVRs with dacs.
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So bad??? sweat.gif

I saw the photos inside all powerful things... unlike UK DAC claim expensive... but inside empty one... Some UK DAC even use 12 volt adapter... See also not siok la.

QUOTE(E1 - AKG @ Apr 27 2015, 09:49 PM)
Well, the sky is the limit when money is not  sweat.gif  At the price point, the Teac UD301 has no competition  sweat.gif
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Will go to your shop to test. On paper UD301 said can cater for 600 ohm amp...

Any other DAC around RM2k to recommend?

Btw, your price very very expensive le.. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(chanhin @ Apr 27 2015, 10:58 PM)
Need to narrow down on the devices I want first... If you got lubang share share ya.  rclxms.gif
So bad???  sweat.gif

I saw the photos inside all powerful things... unlike UK DAC claim expensive... but inside empty one... Some UK DAC even use 12 volt adapter... See also not siok la.
Will go to your shop to test. On paper UD301 said can cater for 600 ohm amp...

Any other DAC around RM2k to recommend?

Btw, your price very very expensive le..  sweat.gif
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Different manufacturers have different idea how to build them but that doesn't mean that more components is better. Sentinel92 can attest that most of higher end amps & dacs he sells actually have innards that are clean, straightforward and simple, less interference with components and unnecessary distortion by adding more chain to an electrical signal.

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Are you looking for a DAC first and headphones amp second or the other way round? Which pair of headphones are you planning to drive it with?

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post Apr 28 2015, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(Problem @ Apr 27 2015, 11:01 PM)
Different manufacturers have different idea how to build them but that doesn't mean that more components is better. Sentinel92 can attest that most of higher end amps & dacs he sells actually have innards that are clean, straightforward and simple, less interference with components and unnecessary distortion by adding more chain to an electrical signal.
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Heard that before, but not really buying that words. Logic is rather simple. If less is more, those popular brand will just copy similar design rather than came up with complicated design to solve so much problems, which also add up cost.

QUOTE(E1 - AKG @ Apr 27 2015, 11:30 PM)
Are you looking for a DAC first and headphones amp second or the other way round?  Which pair of headphones are you planning to drive it with?
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Yes. It is more for DAC, then 2nd for headphone amp.

The reason is I found my PM6005 is a bit lacking power for KEF Q700. And I might upgrade to bigger speaker as well. And better amp is just an amp... which need another DAC.

For now, I am thinking of UD301 + PM8005? UD301 + poweramp? or UD301 + Krell 300i?

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