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TSyuuki94
post Aug 15 2014, 12:53 AM, updated 12y ago

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Hi every1, Im a STPM 2013 science stream student.I got offer frm UPU to study UTM in agrotechnology a few days ago. That wasnt a course i wanted. I try to appeal but they dont allow because the appeal is for students who didnt get any course at all. I like teaching n chemistry.I thought of becoming a chemistry lecturer. So the only way i thought of is going to TARC to do analytical chemistry for my degree. After that will pursue master n if possible to phd. Im well informed that to be a lecturer have to study til phd.

I heard from my lecturer that private university student hard to apply for coursework in public uni(when pursue master or phd). At the same time i want to ask, is it the future of a lecturer bleaks in msia? because it seems that a lot of people are aiming to become a lecturer(in my opinion). May i know ur opinion? many many thanks ^^
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post Aug 15 2014, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(yuuki94 @ Aug 15 2014, 12:53 AM)
So the only way i thought of is going to TARC to do analytical chemistry for my degree.
Why is that the only way? unsure.gif
TSyuuki94
post Aug 17 2014, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Aug 15 2014, 01:18 PM)
Why is that the only way? unsure.gif
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Thanks for your reply, sorry that i forgot to mention why TARC is the only way i think is because TARC is the cheapest compare to other private universities which offer degree in chemistry. I didnt get the offer i wanted in public uni(for degree in chemistry). I heard from ppl that public uni can chge course in 2nd year provided that u score cgpa of 4.0 in 1st sem. I dont know hw well this method work. If i accept d offer from UTM, i will waste 1 year studying the thing wich i find is nt useful n the fees studing in UTM is approximately same as TARC.

If im going to pursue my degree in chemistry, i will definitely study til master or if possible phd because a degree in chemistry will allow me to become a chemist wich is underpaid in malaysia. So, i opt for lecturer wich hv higher pay n at the same i like teaching.

I want to know that after i study til phd, will i be able to find lecturer job in msia? Sorry for asking a silly question. This is because im afraid that universities will be saturated with lecturer in msia that is hard to find job after i graduated. I hope fellow forum members who are lecturer will be able to shed some light on me. Thank you very much notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(yuuki94 @ Aug 17 2014, 08:33 PM)
Thanks for your reply, sorry that i forgot to mention why TARC is the only way i think is because TARC is the cheapest compare to other private universities which offer degree in chemistry. I didn't get the offer i wanted in public uni(for degree in chemistry). I heard from ppl that public uni can chge course in 2nd year provided that you score cgpa of 4.0 in 1st semester. I don't know how well this method work. If i accept d offer from UTM, i will waste 1 year studying the thing which i find is not useful and the fees studying in UTM is approximately same as TARC.

If im going to pursue my degree in chemistry, i will definitely study till master or if possible PhD because a degree in chemistry will allow me to become a chemist which is underpaid in Malaysia. So, i opt for lecturer which have higher pay n at the same i like teaching.

I want to know that after i study til PhD, will i be able to find lecturer job in Malaysia? Sorry for asking a silly question. This is because I'm afraid that universities will be saturated with lecturer in Malaysia that is hard to find job after i graduated. I hope fellow forum members who are lecturer will be able to shed some light on me. Thank you very much notworthy.gif
Thanks for your story. Unfortunately, I'm not a lecturer. Perhaps you wanna check with azarimy (a lecturer from UTM) and LoveMeNot. icon_idea.gif
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post Aug 18 2014, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(yuuki94 @ Aug 17 2014, 12:33 PM)
Thanks for your reply, sorry that i forgot to mention why TARC is the only way i think is because TARC is the cheapest compare to other private universities which offer degree in chemistry. I didnt get the offer i wanted in public uni(for degree in chemistry). I heard from ppl that public uni can chge course in 2nd year provided that u score cgpa of 4.0 in 1st sem. I dont know hw well this method work. If i accept d offer from UTM, i will waste 1 year studying the thing wich i find is nt useful n the fees studing in UTM is approximately same as TARC.

If im going to pursue my degree in chemistry, i will definitely study til master or if possible phd because a degree in chemistry will allow me to become a chemist wich is underpaid in malaysia. So, i opt for lecturer wich hv higher pay n at the same i like teaching.

I want to know that after i study til phd, will i be able to find lecturer job in msia? Sorry for asking a silly question. This is because im afraid that universities will be saturated with lecturer in msia that is hard to find job after i graduated. I hope fellow forum members who are lecturer will be able to shed some light on me. Thank you very much notworthy.gif
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first of all, thanks to Critical_Fallacy for tagging me.

i. the transfer between courses highly depends on availability of the target spot. chemical engineering in UTM is highly sought after, so it's slim chance of a vacancy. so no matter how good u are (in the other course), u cannot transfer into chemical engineering unless there's a vacancy.

ii. for the next 10-15 years, i'm sure there will still be demands for lecturers. current academicians are getting older, and will retire by then. at the moment, there arent enough new lecturers to fill up the gap once they're gone. even if they continue as a contract staff, there are always new universities popping up, particularly those upgrading form college to universities.

also note that many IPTS lecturers do not hold a PhD. which means if u cant find a spot in IPTAs, i'm pretty sure IPTS will be swooping down to snatch u away.

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QUOTE(yuuki94 @ Aug 15 2014, 12:53 AM)
Hi every1, Im a STPM 2013 science stream student.I got offer frm UPU to study UTM in agrotechnology a few days ago. That wasnt a course i wanted. I try to appeal but they dont allow because the appeal is for students who didnt get any course at all. I like teaching n chemistry.I thought of becoming a chemistry lecturer. So the only way i thought of is going to TARC to do analytical chemistry for my degree. After that will pursue master n if possible to phd. Im well informed that to be a lecturer have to study til phd.

I heard from my lecturer that private university student hard to apply for coursework in public uni(when pursue master or phd). At the same time i want to ask, is it the future of a lecturer bleaks in msia? because it seems that a lot of people are aiming to become a lecturer(in my opinion). May i know ur opinion? many many thanks ^^
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Who told you that private university student hard to apply for Master or PhD courses in public uni? rclxub.gif Feel like knocking that lecturer's head of yours.

I've tons of ex students furthering their studies to public uni pursuing their post grad (coming from private uni).

I myself one of them.

As long you have the entry criteria + a suitable character, you'll have the chance.

Chemistry lecturers are highly sought after as the subject is offered in many programmes throughout Malaysia private institutions. Many are aiming to be an educator. But whether one can sustain or suited to be is another story. Candidate A and B may have the same qualification and background, but who gets it; it all depends on the person itself.

Bear in mind, you'll need to be prepared to walk on this path for quite some time to achieve a comfortable pay. Time versus Passion Versus Finance. You weigh it


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i have to agree that the character of a person plays a bigger role in determining placement in universities nowadays. in the old days, not many people even want to become lecturers. so the pool is very small, universities had to take whatever they can get their hands on.

nowadays, the pool's getting bigger. universities now have the opportunity to groom their own successor. i know because i'm one of the students groomed into this profession. the lecturers will find people with suitable character traits like charisma, leadership, pragmatic, articulate, knowledgeable, wise and stuffs that. so pointers and qualifications alone might not cut it!
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post Aug 21 2014, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 18 2014, 09:12 AM)
first of all, thanks to Critical_Fallacy for tagging me.

i. the transfer between courses highly depends on availability of the target spot. chemical engineering in UTM is highly sought after, so it's slim chance of a vacancy. so no matter how good u are (in the other course), u cannot transfer into chemical engineering unless there's a vacancy.

ii. for the next 10-15 years, i'm sure there will still be demands for lecturers. current academicians are getting older, and will retire by then. at the moment, there arent enough new lecturers to fill up the gap once they're gone. even if they continue as a contract staff, there are always new universities popping up, particularly those upgrading form college to universities.

also note that many IPTS lecturers do not hold a PhD. which means if u cant find a spot in IPTAs, i'm pretty sure IPTS will be swooping down to snatch u away.
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thanks for your guidance ^^..i will go for this course and further my studies to master n possible phd to become a lecturer...
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post Aug 21 2014, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(LoveMeNot @ Aug 18 2014, 12:15 PM)
Who told you that private university student hard to apply for Master or PhD courses in public uni?  rclxub.gif  Feel like knocking that lecturer's head of yours.

I've tons of ex students furthering their studies to public uni pursuing their post grad (coming from private uni).

I myself one of them.

As long you have the entry criteria + a suitable character, you'll have the chance.

Chemistry lecturers are highly sought after as the subject is offered in many programmes throughout Malaysia private institutions. Many are aiming to be an educator. But whether one can sustain or suited to be is another story. Candidate A and B may have the same qualification and background, but who gets it; it all depends on the person itself.

Bear in mind, you'll need to be prepared to walk on this path for quite some time to achieve a comfortable pay. Time versus Passion Versus Finance. You weigh it
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thanks for your guidance ^^. may i know how long u take walk this path to achieve comfortable pay? just asking out of curiosity..i do my best to become 1 as i really aiming to become a lecturer
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post Sep 12 2014, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(yuuki94 @ Aug 21 2014, 09:00 PM)
thanks for your guidance ^^. may i know how long u take walk this path to achieve comfortable pay? just asking out of curiosity..i do my best to become 1 as i really aiming to become a lecturer
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A lecturing job gives you a comfortable lifestyle to pursuing other leisurely things, but not a comfortable pay, at least not as fast as the people around you. An academic career builds very slowly, when compared with corporate ones - promotion in respectable universities is based on academic papers published in high tier journals and no. of graduated postgrad students. I cannot help but feel bitter sometimes when I see people much younger and with "lesser" education easily earning double or triple my salary as a lecturer. And over time, the passion of transmitting knowledge will probably be replaced with the responsibility of artificially producing exam results that fit some prescribed statistical measures.


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Should you be aiming to become a lecturer, or even a faculty member in an oversea institution, character, maturity, and how you behave is not the only requirements that matter.

What's more important is your research profile, e.g. total number of publications and where have you been to as a postdoc. In many highly ranked universities, they require their faculty member candidate to have postdoc experience. And in terms of publication, they prefer quality over quantity, which means the journal's impact factor plays a vital role.

If you compared to other foreign institutions, our Malaysian universities' requirements for a lecturer or a faculty member is very very lenient. And I wonder is it because of this leniency, the quality is lacking. hmm.gif

 

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