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muhd7rosli
post May 31 2015, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(red streak @ May 31 2015, 02:18 PM)
https://beta.eve-kill.net/related/30004020/...04905%22%5D%7D/

Big battle today eh? https://beta.eve-kill.net/kill/46968189/ That explains the huge PL Tengu fleet I saw passing by my place.
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Raging Tapir lost a dread but killed 15 Ishtars to make up the losses. Coalition wise we lost quite a lot but we know Goons can't even defend themselves alone in the area. Goons have Pizza's help them with Tengu's fleet before but got whacked by us. Finally, the called The Bastion and PL to show up save their last station in Querious at today's critical timer. Our numbers just can't match them so we have to keep our persistence.

Raging Tapir needs more members to help in Querious. We welcome any players. Since we are based in nullsec, based on our experience, it is very challenging for new players to join us if you have less than 8 millions SP. If you are new players, join our public in-game chat "Tapir Den" to ask for advise instead.

Raging Tapir is fighting to secure its area at this moment. Any veterans and old players are welcome.
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post May 31 2015, 04:22 PM

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Wow, nice, fighting goons smile.gif
Go go, they swarm a lot
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post May 31 2015, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(muhd7rosli @ May 31 2015, 03:49 PM)
Raging Tapir lost a dread but killed 15 Ishtars to make up the losses. Coalition wise we lost quite a lot but we know Goons can't even defend themselves alone in the area. Goons have Pizza's help them with Tengu's fleet before but got whacked by us. Finally, the called The Bastion and PL to show up save their last station in Querious at today's critical timer. Our numbers just can't match them so we have to keep our persistence.

Raging Tapir needs more members to help in Querious. We welcome any players. Since we are based in nullsec, based on our experience, it is very challenging for new players to join us if you have less than 8 millions SP. If you are new players, join our public in-game chat "Tapir Den" to ask for advise instead.

Raging Tapir is fighting to secure its area at this moment. Any veterans and old players are welcome.
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Nice fight. I live near PL/TEST actually on the borders of Wicked Creek and Scalding Pass since my alliance has a little corner of Sov there.
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post May 31 2015, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(red streak @ May 31 2015, 05:40 PM)
Nice fight. I live near PL/TEST actually on the borders of Wicked Creek and Scalding Pass since my alliance has a little corner of Sov there.
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Raging Tapir used to be in Wicked Creek during our time in Fraternity. (at that time we are known as HN-L). We live in J-9M7D pocket (where F-QQ5N, 1-7B6D). It is good space to fatten up your wallets. The downside is you have the risk of assets lockdown if your space fallen. The only escape plan is to move your assets to Curse which itself another risk of fighting Russian pirates. You need good plan to protect your logistic. Besides, you cannot bring out your carriers outside of the region without go through the gate since the distance from Curse to low-sec is more than 5 ly.

Most of the areas are dominate by Russians. Fraternity don't have enough discipline and plans to overcome them so Raging Tapir decides to move ourselves to Delve, searching for new alliance. Stranded with no alliance, we slowly try to build reputation but is hard for our corp to be accepted into any alliance because of our image. They see us as carebears because of our killboard. The downsides of being renters are you need to pay a huge sums or rent, no guarantee on income (cloaky campers), unlikely to get help from landlord, and frequent targeted by pirates.

We managed to get into another new born alliance called Skeleton Crew. Due to different TZ, and rather inexperience alliance leadership, the alliance only last for short period of time. During in Skeleton Crew, we improved PvP skills, organized our training plan, kept ratting and mining to build up our assets for future PvP.

A chance came when splinters of Skeleton Crew, who have good relationship with Darkness, created a new alliance. At that time, Goons invaded Delve, and the new created alliance saw opportunity in Querious because NC. renters decided not to pay their rent. The alliance needs good number and presence during SEA TZ (GMT +8) to capture systems. Due to diplomacy, we are able to secure membership.

We understand membership is just a starting point. We need to contribute numbers in PVP fleet. We encourage members to participating in Coalition CTA. Our killboard turned greens in short time. Some people might point out we are kill whore because we kills with big number but honestly, in Eve this days, you need numbers to secure your Sov. The killboard shows that we are contributing to the coalition. Honestly, you get the good feeling when you blow up Goons' Ishtar and PL's tengu. Our coalition push Goons and every time they nearly lost, they called PL to drop capitals and tengus.

However, presence during GMT +8 is low compare to US TZ and EU TZ. We will mostly be fighting Russians and they usually roam with 50-100 people. Raging Tapir aims is to keep recruiting members to level of at least match the even numbers to fight them.

This post has been edited by muhd7rosli: May 31 2015, 11:24 PM
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post Jun 1 2015, 06:28 AM

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Yeah, that's been there since last month. EVE and its launcher goes down more often than Steam does so it's not that big a deal. But it is nice to have another option AND be able to get the cheap plexes.  brows.gif
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does this apply to players who already have an account?
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post Jun 1 2015, 06:39 AM

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CFC Revenant Supercarrier welped in a private coalition event.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/46988753/
https://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=29130717

We got intel through our 12 Goons spais, decided to crash the party and started out the trip with 10 pilots. Only 3 made it out alive to whore on the killmail through all the CFC gatecamps and bubbles laugh.gif

QUOTE(muhd7rosli @ May 31 2015, 11:22 PM)
Raging Tapir used to be in Wicked Creek during our time in Fraternity. (at that time we are known as HN-L). We live in J-9M7D pocket (where F-QQ5N, 1-7B6D). It is good space to fatten up your wallets. The downside is you have the risk of assets lockdown if your space fallen. The only escape plan is to move your assets to Curse which itself another risk of fighting Russian pirates. You need good plan to protect your logistic. Besides, you cannot bring out your carriers outside of the region without go through the gate since the distance from Curse to low-sec is more than 5 ly.

Most of the areas are dominate by Russians. Fraternity don't have enough discipline and plans to overcome them so Raging Tapir decides to move ourselves to Delve, searching for new alliance. Stranded with no alliance, we slowly try to build reputation but is hard for our corp to be accepted into any alliance because of our image. They see us as carebears because of our killboard. The downsides of being renters are you need to pay a huge sums or rent, no guarantee on income (cloaky campers), unlikely to get help from landlord, and frequent targeted by pirates.

We managed to get into another new born alliance called Skeleton Crew. Due to different TZ, and rather inexperience alliance leadership, the alliance only last for short period of time. During in Skeleton Crew, we improved PvP skills, organized our training plan, kept ratting and mining to build up  our assets for future PvP.

A chance came when splinters of Skeleton Crew, who have good relationship with Darkness, created a new alliance. At that time, Goons invaded Delve, and the new created alliance saw opportunity in Querious because NC. renters decided not to pay their rent. The alliance needs good number and presence during SEA TZ (GMT +8) to capture systems. Due to diplomacy, we are able to secure membership.

We understand membership is just a starting point. We need to contribute numbers in PVP fleet. We encourage members to participating in Coalition CTA. Our killboard turned greens in short time. Some people might point out we are kill whore because we kills with big number but honestly, in Eve this days, you need numbers to secure your Sov. The killboard shows that we are contributing to the coalition. Honestly, you get the good feeling when you blow up Goons' Ishtar and PL's tengu. Our coalition push Goons and every time they nearly lost, they called PL to drop capitals and tengus.

However, presence during GMT +8 is low compare to US TZ and EU TZ. We will mostly be fighting Russians and they usually roam with 50-100 people. Raging Tapir aims is to keep recruiting members to level of at least match the even numbers to fight them.
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Yeah, we live around there. We're based out of NPC null (QFEW) but we have a station that we took from the Gorgons. There aren't a lot of AUTZ pilots around in the alliance but you can still get content daily if you can form up a small fleet or take part in the Spectre Fleet's cloaky ninjas to hotdrop the locals. We mostly use diplomacy to deal with most stuff so we don't really have issues. Most of our strat ops involves getting into bombers/force recons since we don't really have an alliance doctrine for the most part. There's a mutual anti-structure-bashing agreement with the Russians around us but everything else is free game. The biggest negative bit about living here atm is that you're in range of PL supers so you can't use capitals laugh.gif There's not a lot of SEA/AU players in EVE so you gotta make do with what you've got. I know TEST has sizeable AUTZ group since I've seen their fleet flying around the area.

QUOTE(shajack @ Jun 1 2015, 06:28 AM)
does this apply to players who already have an account?
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It applies to all Steam EVE players.
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post Jun 1 2015, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(red streak @ Jun 1 2015, 06:39 AM)
It applies to all Steam EVE players.
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wish i have the energy n time for another toon sweat.gif the offer is too good

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post Jun 1 2015, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(AmarrHardin @ May 29 2015, 02:45 PM)
Hello dudes.

Long time (2003) EVE Online Player and Mat Salleh here. Been in Malaysia almost 3 years now.

Do still have an EVE account which I log into about once per month to camp with some Finnish dudes in 9UY (Provi)- but most of my old in-game buddies are Euro-timezone so it is generally pretty boring.

I was one of the founders of the CVA (and actually launched CVA's NRDS experiment with Provi 11 years ago - http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=121887)

Anyway, my main is intimately connected to CVA (for whom I still have great affection and do not plan to leave) but CVA has pretty much zero presence in this timezone - so I was thinking about creating a fresh alt to try and discover the game anew. Haven't really played that actively since 2008 apart from joining the odd camp and being instructed exactly what to fly, so basically I am just above total noob level.

Was wondering if you guys could advise on some reasonably active corps/alliances on this timezone who would be interested in having an old fogey flying with them from time to time. As I also have a 3-month old kid now I will never be that active - but may be able to bump that up if something interesting was going on!

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I think I've replied to you few months back but there were no feedback from you. House of Nim-Lhach have reorganized into Raging Tapirs recently so as we can lock (and thus unlock) BPOs. We are currently very actively defending our space in Querious. However, as House of Nim-Lhach, we're not so friendly to CVA due to a serious misunderstanding and even now as Raging Tapirs, many of us still hold old grudges (well, if you join up, hope you don't mind when we refer to CVA as "CVA Scums"). Oh, and we DO have the alt of another "CVA scum" in corp but he's mainly offline anyway biggrin.gif

EDIT: Oh and for signing up, look for Occitane, Sinie Boirelle, Forza Lyandre, Gin Togenada or myself

This post has been edited by sikongma: Jun 1 2015, 02:38 PM
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post Jun 1 2015, 05:36 PM

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Are you guys hanging in out in Kopitiam chat channel too? Last time has MY players there I think.

EDIT: Scratch this dumb question, apparently kopitiam channel is mentioned in 1st post of this thread sweat.gif

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QUOTE(shajack @ Jun 1 2015, 11:29 AM)
wish i have the energy n time for another toon sweat.gif  the offer is too good
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Lol. I added another account with 60 days of game time courtesy of the buddy link and I'm just queuing skills on it for later. You don't need to actively play both or all your accounts at once since EVE has time-based training and without the right SP in the right things you can't do much. Sure, everybody says newbros can be ewar or tackle but those are some of the most babi jobs out there and you'll be primary most of the time which is no fun at all. vmad.gif
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QUOTE(shajack @ Jun 1 2015, 11:29 AM)
wish i have the energy n time for another toon sweat.gif  the offer is too good
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well there is the char bazar biggrin.gif
but yea, expensive also~ with plex and... ughhhh~ BUT its an option!

QUOTE(t4lruum @ Jun 1 2015, 05:36 PM)
Are you guys hanging in out in Kopitiam chat channel too? Last time has MY players there I think.

EDIT: Scratch this dumb question, apparently kopitiam channel is mentioned in 1st post of this thread  sweat.gif
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heheh~ if u think 1st page need more improvement do tell me haha!

QUOTE(red streak @ Jun 1 2015, 07:18 PM)
Lol. I added another account with 60 days of game time courtesy of the buddy link and I'm just queuing skills on it for later. You don't need to actively play both or all your accounts at once since EVE has time-based training and without the right SP in the right things you can't do much. Sure, everybody says newbros can be ewar or tackle but those are some of the most babi jobs out there and you'll be primary most of the time which is no fun at all.  vmad.gif
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post Jun 1 2015, 07:43 PM

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i love the space russian and love the space pope more
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post Jun 1 2015, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(red streak @ Jun 1 2015, 07:18 PM)
Lol. I added another account with 60 days of game time courtesy of the buddy link and I'm just queuing skills on it for later. You don't need to actively play both or all your accounts at once since EVE has time-based training and without the right SP in the right things you can't do much. Sure, everybody says newbros can be ewar or tackle but those are some of the most babi jobs out there and you'll be primary most of the time which is no fun at all.  vmad.gif
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Oh red senpai, you must've gone through a hella lot of space buttraep. I only 11 times cry.gif
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post Jun 1 2015, 08:10 PM

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Before Raging Tapirs [RTAP] we were House of Nim-Lhach [HN-L].

We offer ratting, mining, exploration, trading, PvP, & manufacturing opportunities, from our nullsec home in Querious. Our alliance, in recognition of our sacrifices and services, has named our alliance HQ station Tapirs Dojo. Right now, we need recruits to flood our ranks, to join us in our journey in Querious, as we fight to secure our space from the Imperium forces (CFC) lead by Goonswarm. WE NEED YOU.

An example of our activity is this old battle report i wrote up about 5 months ago, when we were in NPC Delve, and attempting to secure a few planetary customs offices for ourselves. This is what you'll be a part of, if you choose to join us.

Battle Report 5 January 2015[U]

We formed up with a Fleet of 21 HN-L members, and 2 pilots from Kadeshi (Sootsia/Soothis) to destroy 8 POCOs that were coming out of reinforcement at KFIE, in Delve.

At 8:30pm we took instructions from Soot, who joined us in his Nyx, and who kindly agreed to FC us for a while until he had to leave for work. No hostiles in system but Soot was careful and posted scouts in the systems 2 jumps out. Soot also instructed not to use Dreads, as the POCO owners were known to be active in the TZ.

Dread pilots reshipped to subcaps, and carrier pilots (4) moved to our small staging POS. The Carrier pilots were instructed to assign their fighters to the subcaps, then once the fighters were engaged in attacking the POCOs, the Carrier pilots were to dip back into the POS shields.

A single neut in system in a stealth bomber attempted to warp scram Soot's Nyx but failed. A bomb destroyed Brick1235's noobship.

After the destruction of the 4rd POCO, Soot had to leave for work, but Sarrian and I felt confident we had the procedure under control. Forza showed up to bubble the only gate leading out of KFIE. Sikong joined fleet in his carrier, bringing our carrier numbers to 5.

At the start of staging at the 6th POCO, we got a surprise. The carriers were out of the POS assigning fighters to the subcaps. A second neut entered KFIE, and a cyno was lit at the edge of our POS. Sarrian ordered all subcaps to abort ops and warp to POS, not realizing xstarscreamx was warning that bubbles were going up at our POS - his TeamSpeak was intermittent and no one could hear what he was saying.

By the time we knew of bubbles, our subcap fleet was already in warp. Local was filled with about 35-40 neuts, all of which were at the edge of our POS, where they had Titan bridged in. Statix/Indoz two (2) dominix's were caught in the bubbles at POS and quickly destroyed. Other subcaps were all okay, being able to warp to station from the POS.

Taichou Mack's Archon was unlucky and partially out of the POS shield, he was bumped out and also quickly destroyed.

Of the 4 remaining carriers, 2 managed to warp to station from the POS before bubbles enclosed our POS. Switching the POS password and disallowing corp access, we burst out 1 more carrier (belonging to Concealed weapon) who was able to jump to a rescue cyno lit at a-ele2, before the hostiles were able to warp scram him. The last carrier was unable to be burst out as it belonged to the pilot that set up the POS, and by that time, the POS had been completely rapecaged, so bursting would have still caught the last carrier in bubble. With that, the last carrier, belonging to Sikong's alt, logged off.
The hostiles later destroyed our POS when it came out of reinforcement in 4 hours.

It was an intense extraction, and corp bravery was evident. Comms were well handled, and instructions were clear without interference. No responding to the hostiles in local, no trash talk. We wrapped up the op at that point, with excited chatter and praise all around in our TS.

The next morning, Sikong destroyed the rapecage, and extracted his carrier, and i planted 5 POCOs at KFIE, without any interference.

What could we have done differently?
The initial plan was to survey KFIE for 2 weeks before taking any action , to determine if No Value corp continued to maintain a presence there. This was abandoned as Soot put the POCOs into reinforce without opposition, 2 days after our corp meeting, and i saw targets of opportunity, to take the POCOs. In my opinion, if we waited 2 weeks, we might not have proceeded with a POCO op at KFIE, as it was "too dangerous". But i am glad we did it, and i want to do it again to get at the other remaining 4 POCOs.

We only had time to anchor a small POS with no guns etc. In future our staging POS should be a large with hardeners, small/med guns, webbers, disruptors ECM etc. The strontium bay should have been filled.

We could possibly have spider tanked the carriers and had them in docking range of a station (in the niche part of a station, to reduce bumping), instead of dipping in and out of the POS shields. The carriers could have spider tanked for 30-45 secs until their fighters returned in the event of the hostile hotdrop. Of course, in the event of titan DD an carrier still would have died.

The subcap fleet could have consisted of Stealth bombers, recons and interceptors only.. all cloaky ships which would have been safer. After all the main DPS was coming from assigned fighters from the Carrier fleet.

Conclusions
This is probably the most significant battle in HNL recent history. We showed a lot of discipline on comms at all times, and no panic. We learnt a lot of important lessons. Diplomatically, we gained respect from Skeleton Crew & Kadeshi. We also know now that Darkness will not respond to assist. I also believe that our opponents have a higher regard for us now, that we are not merely carebears, but are willing to take aggressive steps to take POCOs, and that we are able to show initiative in saving our ships, and not just rolling over in surrender.

Post mortem discussion with Soothis will be reported by Sarrian.

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Lol. I added another account with 60 days of game time courtesy of the buddy link and I'm just queuing skills on it for later. You don't need to actively play both or all your accounts at once since EVE has time-based training and without the right SP in the right things you can't do much. Sure, everybody says newbros can be ewar or tackle but those are some of the most babi jobs out there and you'll be primary most of the time which is no fun at all.  vmad.gif
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its an option but i really dont see what im gonna do with nother toon tongue.gif tho i might go black with this toon,raking bounties n killmail brows.gif
QUOTE(Zackler @ Jun 1 2015, 07:25 PM)
well there is the char bazar biggrin.gif
but yea, expensive also~ with plex and... ughhhh~ BUT its an option!

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a tempting option hmm.gif
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post Jun 1 2015, 09:23 PM

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Has anyone actually win war against goon?
My alliance last time got invaded by Goon, they are dam hard to stop, end up my corp using the slogan "if you can't beat them, join them"
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QUOTE(t4lruum @ Jun 1 2015, 09:23 PM)
Has anyone actually win war against goon?
My alliance last time got invaded by Goon, they are dam hard to stop, end up my corp using the slogan "if you can't beat them, join them"
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yes...PL, Black Legion and CVA.... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(sikongma @ Jun 1 2015, 02:35 PM)
I think I've replied to you few months back but there were no feedback from you. House of Nim-Lhach have reorganized into Raging Tapirs recently so as we can lock (and thus unlock) BPOs. We are currently very actively defending our space in Querious. However, as House of Nim-Lhach, we're not so friendly to CVA due to a serious misunderstanding and even now as Raging Tapirs, many of us still hold old grudges (well, if you join up, hope you don't mind when we refer to CVA as "CVA Scums"). Oh, and we DO have the alt of another "CVA scum" in corp but he's mainly offline anyway biggrin.gif

EDIT: Oh and for signing up, look for Occitane, Sinie Boirelle, Forza Lyandre, Gin Togenada or myself
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Well - if I get the time will try and get into the Kopitiam channel and join up with you guys.

With regards the CVA misunderstanding I am sure I can sort something out once I get to know you - although I don't really know the full background yet.

CVA is generally willing to take people off their KOS list provided they get some reassurance that the behavior that got you on there in the first place (which is usually shooting people in Provi) will not get repeated.

Anyway, if you do have to continually refer to CVA as 'CVA Scum' I will not be offended - especially if you play Minmatar characters - as spent a long time fighting Ushra'Khan who always called us CVA Scum (and actually was very friendly with a lot of them when we met IRL) ;-)


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QUOTE(Zackler @ Jun 1 2015, 07:25 PM)
well there is the char bazar biggrin.gif
but yea, expensive also~ with plex and... ughhhh~ BUT its an option!
heheh~ if u think 1st page need more improvement do tell me haha!
who buttsecks u alot lar~

the good old days for me usually~

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In A Galaxy Far, Far Away. A Newbro attempts to join his corp's fleet.

Bitter vet: Ok, time for [insert op here] guys.
Newbro: Can I join?
Bitter vet: Sure, newbro. We always need more ewar/tackle/meatshield
Newbro: *#*!@*#!

Nowadays, I fly bombers and do cloaky hotdrops. Lots of fun seeing the tears falling when the procurer starts cynoing backup to wreck their expensive shit. "Oh shit, cyno proc." Tears mining, best mining. laugh.gif There's nothing like semi-afk bashing structures with a fleet of bombers while playing Dota.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/46039562/

The reaction to this one was really over the top. They were so mad about the freighter loss that they dropped two Nyx Supercarriers and an entire fleet on our last known location. Unfortunately for them, it's damn near impossible to catch bombers after they gtfo laugh.gif But seriously though, the game sucks for newbros with under 10M specialized SP training. There's not a lot you can do unless you specialize, which isn't something a new player would usually know how to do. As muhd7rosli has said, it's tough for new chars under a certain amount of SP.

QUOTE(Zgames @ Jun 1 2015, 08:08 PM)
Oh red senpai, you must've gone through a hella lot of space buttraep. I only 11 times cry.gif
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Come down to my null home brows.gif Nullsec best sec. Entosis links are up and fully functional now.I can fly the Jackdaw and I'm just training the last few skills before I buy a bunch next week and go pewpew in null with it. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(red streak @ Jun 3 2015, 11:01 AM)
In A Galaxy Far, Far Away. A Newbro attempts to join his corp's fleet.

Bitter vet: Ok, time for [insert op here] guys.
Newbro: Can I join?
Bitter vet: Sure, newbro. We always need more ewar/tackle/meatshield
Newbro: *#*!@*#!
Your satisfaction depends on your objective. Death is an unpleasant experience. Death hurts your reputation. PvP'ers proud with their killboard and choose stats that benefit them. Some use ISK as indicator to show their performance on big fleet fights while others based on points, to show their expertise in solo and small gang engagement. A death, especially in an expensive ship will often ruin the killboard.

For me, who live in null-sec, each engagement is important. Every fight news you read in either EveNews24 or The Mittani often requires careful preparation. Accident supers tackled? Don't get the heading fools you. What the news does not report is how persistence they watch the supers movement for months. Preparation is necessary as a small mistake leads to the lost of the entire 250-man fleet but the result is priceless. Your killboard is red? Well, if it is red full of logi and ewar, anyone will welcome you. In fact, someone will sponsored you a carrier once you have enough SP points.

Hate being told what to do? Perhaps you might think FC job is glorious because everybody follow his command. You will be celebrated until you make a mistake. You want to be the top damage dealer? I don't think with your 8 mil SP points will get you there.

In null-sec, support ships play the same important role as damage dealer ships. Veterans can also fly 'em but it would be inefficient to use their years of training to just fly ewar. When they lack numbers, they have to sacrifice a few of them for ewar/logistic. Ewar and logistic require less training to be useful. A successful fleet requires ewar and logistic. Damping the enemy logi breaks their tank, target painting helps damage dealer, web and scram catch the FC ships. People usually hate the role because they feel unworthy, not glorious and unpopular.

Not all death are sad experiences. A death because of good fight where your enemy left at 1% hull often brings you smile. Same goes if you know that your death help your fleet win strategic objective. For example, you die in a logi but your enemy pay with 5 tengus. Your death helps your corp obtained the solar system, aids your alliance own the constellation, and supports your coalition foothold on the entire region. You will be rewarded with a system where you get to rat and earn 20 mil per tick (or 60 mil per hour) or mine enough minerals to develop the region. This happen if you are on the winning side. If you are lost, then you need to retreat, revise your strategy and keep trying.

After all, nothing stays the same in Eve. Every change brings opportunity. With a right group, you will reach your opportunity faster.


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