oh yea ......... sorry sorry..... forgot heh

masuk wrong house i support McLaren also...... but they stil hav a long way to go.... strong team but really sad to see kimi always start pole and finished at DNF car not stable.... skill stable

This post has been edited by Jackygwh: Sep 2 2006, 08:56 AM

McLaren are well known for their reliability issues...when will it be over?
Cost Kimi his 1st ever world title last season

Not really. Just only the recent years. They did dominate F1 during Mika era.

too many changes in the technical staffs might have coz so much trouble to the car..slow improvements and least effective aero..

And due to the erratic Mr.Dennis, the technical staffs always change. Just take a look at the car nose design..They changed to slim aligator style a couple of years ago. A whole buch of gremlins appeared. Then, change to wide nose again (almost won) and then, back to aligator style again this year. At the launch of this year's machine, I already know McLaren is going to wait for another year to challenge for the crown. That design simply doesn't work!!

they better get things done if not might b suffering, might end up dunno where

Nice info.
What's wrong with those people at McLaren huh?
Ego? Too much pride?
Gambling with the team like that
Are they in F1 racing or "who has the best designation of an F1 car?

In the beginning of each season, I'm always hoping to see McLaren fly and showed
their warning to other teams.
But...
When will this nightmare gonna be over?

This years car is a beauty...performance...suxx...big time.





This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 4 2006, 07:14 AM

I just don't get it.. You see sometimes McLarens are so good and then, they flop the year after. After that, they come back into play again. Very flambuoyant. Somehow I think they are a big team but they do not know how to capitalise on their resources such as money and skills. They hv abundance of sponsors but they do not spend more on researches. There is another factor though... the politics in F1 and FIA. Sincerely, I felt the two parties are more Ferrari (specifically, M.Schumacher) sided. We hv seen too many things where the two old men doing things in favour of the Italian team. This is such a big hindrance for McLaren to win!!

Ron Dennis might have taken his eye of the ball sometimes but this is still a guy responsible for McLaren dominance in the 80's with Senna and Prost as well as the late 90's with Mika. McLaren has never been shy to try innovative designs and sometimes it will bite us in the ass. To criticise Ron, the change of technical staff, the car design, etc just shows how clueless u r. The FIA changes rules every season and the team that reacts best to the changes will end up as the frontrunner of that season. This is a sport where even a 0.01% difference could mean u finish as runner-up rather than champions

There is no foundation in accusations of the FIA being biased as the reason why we haven't been consistently winning. Our time will come don't worry. I have no doubt about it.

The only clear McLaren dominance was with Senna & Prost.
Both were busy racing each other.
No one seems to noticed other drivers
It's like both of them were the only contenders for the world title.

Honestly, I would not call the win by Mika in the late 90's as a dominance.
Quite lucky though...just a few points shy to the 2nd place driver.
Michael broke his leg and all.
But still a history.
No doubt though Mika was a fine F1 driver

Kimi will be like that and maybe more after he passed the 30 years age.
The older you get, the more mature you'll become.

Can't forget the challenge he gave to Montoya in a Williams.
Kimi always aggressive but always smart too and he knows when to yield.
Even if he needs to lock up his front wheel.
Gifted racer.

Kimi Raikkonen Vs JP Montoya

yeah i agree with u that the late 90's wasn't really dominance. 98 was a dominant year for McLaren and if the FIA didn't ban the use of beryllium in engines i'm pretty sure things would been very different

not many noticed it, but Ron has lead McLaren half of it's 40 years of existance, so never underestimate Ron Dennis.
Amazingly in '98 FIA has once shown that they can be just as cruel to McLaren as they did to Renault this season when they banned McLaren's revolutionary braking cooling system that they used in Australia. What was weird is that the reason it was banned is that many teams don't have the budget to develop that kind of system, which lead to these questions
1 - Don't every team try to outdo each other in development? why ban an item that a team has develop legally and within their own budget citing 'it's too expensive for other team'?
2 - The team that complained of the system was Ferrari, which also marks the first era of speculation that FIA and Ferrari was working together.

Some great innovation that McLaren has introduced to the sports
- Monocouque Chassis using Carbon Fibre
- Rear Brake system
- Zero keel
- Barge Board
- T wing
- Side Chimney

Yeah.. You say I m clueless.. It is ok.. But why FIA sided Ferrari and Todt. Why not Mclaren and Dennis? What happened in the middle? Why Ferrari get all the benefits?

explain how the FIA have sided with Ferrari and Todt and what benefits they are getting instead of just running your mouth saying things u heard from some other ppl rather than using your own brain

FIA makes me so sick.
Double standard

Maybe all F1 teams should create another racing season.
I bet Ferrari won't.
They are the golden baby of FIA.

Preferential treatment. That's FIA.

Yeah..You are rite.. very sick already.. The interest in watching F1 has decreased. The mass damper issue was the latest joke..

Some teams do outdo other teams in development, its just that sometimes they are unlucky because the 'thing' that they created has some illegal contents with the FIA rules and regulations. But then certain teams just know how to make noise (Minardi- Stoddart era)

McLaren with their previous Technical Director (Adrian Newey) was a great combo and held many achievers back in 98 and 99....Since before he left the team, Newey was considered the 'guru' in aerodynamics, hence making him one of the most respectable aerodynamicist in his league (or even others).


Formula 1 is the only 'it'.

Other than that, the prestigeous of the race itself has its own value. Vehicle standards and design has always been comes from Formula one, and if the boycott even, there is no point since it is an established creme` la cremeria...


FIA disregard of the Renaults mass damper issue, has always been a throwing stone icon towards them. Their view about Formula 1 is diffrent compared to ours (specatators). We like drivers shoving and bashing trying to fight for position but the FIA doesnt looks at it as entertaining. To them that kinda manuver is dangerous and cannot be tolerated. Hence the fine punishment was imposed to let drivers know that they are racing gentlemen'ly and not some punk who just got his licences two days ago.

well, truth be told, If it was not for that Senna incident in '94, the rules was not this strict. the irony was that the drivers association was dreamt by senna after the death of Roland Ratzenberger the day before. He told Prost that he was tired of the danger that the drivers are going through. The most ironic thing was that now it is lead by Schumacher.... not that I have anything against him, but his move to damage Hill's car in Adelaide seems like a joke to Senna's memory during his year of death.

Well, certainly I hope McLarens will improve in Italy.. Monza is a circuit technically for high speed. McLarens do not seem to have enough power in straight line but I hope they have improved on that. If not, we won't be able to see them giving a good fight with Ferrari, Renault and Honda.